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On April 23 2012 21:58 bayside wrote:
75% on income tax over 1 MIL Euro, that puts the mid-upper class even with the lower-middle class, which seems unfair because most people earn that money, or someone in their family earned it..
Wtf, over 1M euro per year is the mid-upper class for you? It's like 0.5% of something, it's the upper upper class. u_u
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On April 23 2012 22:18 Eiaco wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 21:58 Kukaracha wrote:On April 23 2012 21:22 Eiaco wrote:
I for one am Glad that Le Pen scored so highly. Maybe now, governments all over Europe will address a serious problem instead of blindly allowing all sorts of 3rd world uneducated, useless, and maybe dangerous immigrants across our borders.
Also, the EU is completely evil.. They are slowly trying to take our freedom away from us and go against the will of the people time and time again. Hopefully, the EU will die soon so us Europeans can be free again. Hey guys, we found someone belonging to the 19%! You know buddy, I was a third world immigrant. But as I have a passion for history and as I had a brilliant academic past with little to no efforts on my part, I believe I can shit on nationalists like you. I probably know more about France than you do, speak French better than you do (litterature studies), and overall love France more than you do, because instead of loving the idea of a long past all-white country, I love the present and the way it is. Not only that, but the fact that I'm not an ethnocentrist prick allowed me to speak four languages, travelling around the world. Don't be mad, maybe one day you can work for me and learn from my third-world wisdom. Actually, you probably do love France more than me and speak French better than me because im English  . Also, im very happy for you but the majority of immigrants (in my country anyways) come over with little to no skills and then scrounge off benefits once they become citizens. Also, if we did away with "The Political Correctness Brigade" and stopped given them funding, we probably would not be in recession right now. A classic example of this is when the British Government gave Pakistan 500m aid in the middle of a recession. I wonder how many Hospitals, Care Homes or Schools could have been improved with that money. I do not hate immigrants who come here to work and adopt our culture and live by our rules. On the other hand, I bitterly dispise the immigrants who come here to scrounge off benefits, hate our culture and throw eggs at our brave soldiers as they return from war. I also hate all left wing politicians as they and their social experiment has caused this mess.
this has to be a troll, right?
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On April 23 2012 22:24 Yenticha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 22:18 Eiaco wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 Kukaracha wrote:On April 23 2012 21:22 Eiaco wrote:
I for one am Glad that Le Pen scored so highly. Maybe now, governments all over Europe will address a serious problem instead of blindly allowing all sorts of 3rd world uneducated, useless, and maybe dangerous immigrants across our borders.
Also, the EU is completely evil.. They are slowly trying to take our freedom away from us and go against the will of the people time and time again. Hopefully, the EU will die soon so us Europeans can be free again. Hey guys, we found someone belonging to the 19%! You know buddy, I was a third world immigrant. But as I have a passion for history and as I had a brilliant academic past with little to no efforts on my part, I believe I can shit on nationalists like you. I probably know more about France than you do, speak French better than you do (litterature studies), and overall love France more than you do, because instead of loving the idea of a long past all-white country, I love the present and the way it is. Not only that, but the fact that I'm not an ethnocentrist prick allowed me to speak four languages, travelling around the world. Don't be mad, maybe one day you can work for me and learn from my third-world wisdom. Actually, you probably do love France more than me and speak French better than me because im English . Also, im very happy for you but the majority of immigrants (in my country anyways) come over with little to no skills and then scrounge off benefits once they become citizens. Also, if we did away with "The Political Correctness Brigade" and stopped given them funding, we probably would not be in recession right now. A classic example of this is when the British Government gave Pakistan 500m aid in the middle of a recession. I wonder how many Hospitals, Care Homes or Schools could have been improved with that money. I do not hate immigrants who come here to work and adopt our culture and live by our rules. On the other hand, I bitterly dispise the immigrants who come here to scrounge off benefits, hate our culture and throw eggs at our brave soldiers as they return from war. I also hate all left wing politicians as they and their social experiment has caused this mess. this has to be a troll, right?
Clearly not.
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On April 23 2012 22:26 Eiaco wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 22:24 Yenticha wrote:On April 23 2012 22:18 Eiaco wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 Kukaracha wrote:On April 23 2012 21:22 Eiaco wrote:
I for one am Glad that Le Pen scored so highly. Maybe now, governments all over Europe will address a serious problem instead of blindly allowing all sorts of 3rd world uneducated, useless, and maybe dangerous immigrants across our borders.
Also, the EU is completely evil.. They are slowly trying to take our freedom away from us and go against the will of the people time and time again. Hopefully, the EU will die soon so us Europeans can be free again. Hey guys, we found someone belonging to the 19%! You know buddy, I was a third world immigrant. But as I have a passion for history and as I had a brilliant academic past with little to no efforts on my part, I believe I can shit on nationalists like you. I probably know more about France than you do, speak French better than you do (litterature studies), and overall love France more than you do, because instead of loving the idea of a long past all-white country, I love the present and the way it is. Not only that, but the fact that I'm not an ethnocentrist prick allowed me to speak four languages, travelling around the world. Don't be mad, maybe one day you can work for me and learn from my third-world wisdom. Actually, you probably do love France more than me and speak French better than me because im English . Also, im very happy for you but the majority of immigrants (in my country anyways) come over with little to no skills and then scrounge off benefits once they become citizens. Also, if we did away with "The Political Correctness Brigade" and stopped given them funding, we probably would not be in recession right now. A classic example of this is when the British Government gave Pakistan 500m aid in the middle of a recession. I wonder how many Hospitals, Care Homes or Schools could have been improved with that money. I do not hate immigrants who come here to work and adopt our culture and live by our rules. On the other hand, I bitterly dispise the immigrants who come here to scrounge off benefits, hate our culture and throw eggs at our brave soldiers as they return from war. I also hate all left wing politicians as they and their social experiment has caused this mess. this has to be a troll, right? Clearly not.
hmm.. great. Let's build a giant electric fence around our borders, shall we? This is most definitely going to make our people happier.
I'm actually building my own around my backyard as we speak. I desperately need to keep those bees out of my garden, they are making these annoying noises, you know...
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
So from an American perspective, the run off kinda looks like Mitt Romney's policies vs Mitt Romney's charisma. Ouch.
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On April 23 2012 22:23 TanTzoR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 21:58 bayside wrote:
75% on income tax over 1 MIL Euro, that puts the mid-upper class even with the lower-middle class, which seems unfair because most people earn that money, or someone in their family earned it.. Wtf, over 1M euro per year is the mid-upper class for you? It's like 0.5% of something, it's the upper upper class. u_u
it's actually ~0.01%, 5000 people in France earn more than 1M euro per year
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Marine Le Pen - National Front : 18%
nearly 20% ? every 5th france guy vote for a right-wing extremistic party ?
and we in germany cry that we have ~2-3 % ...
guys wake up plz !
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On April 23 2012 22:47 tekos44 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 22:23 TanTzoR wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 bayside wrote:
75% on income tax over 1 MIL Euro, that puts the mid-upper class even with the lower-middle class, which seems unfair because most people earn that money, or someone in their family earned it.. Wtf, over 1M euro per year is the mid-upper class for you? It's like 0.5% of something, it's the upper upper class. u_u it's actually ~0.01%, 5000 people in France earn more than 1M euro per year
Where are you getting those numbers? Sources please.
I'm kind of unsurprised that Hollande dodged debates with Sarko. Sarko has many faults but he's got charisma, as well as having an agenda that makes more sense than Hollande's. But what does that tell you about Hollande? He's ahead in votes and he refuses to have more than one debate with Sarkozy? Does he not trust his ideas? Or himself? How the hell is he going to be credible on an international level if he doesn't even want to debate? His excuse of "oh yeah sarkozy lost and now he wants to debate more and break tradition?" Fuck that, that's a pathetic excuse, winning by 1,5% isn't winning, especially considering how many people voted Le Pen.
If anything I really, really want to hear an extensive debate between them both.
But yeah already the refusal to debate is making me lean towards Sarkozy. In an ideal world, politics is about debating what the best course of action is in the face of a certain situation. It's not about defending a measly 1,5% for ego purposes. I'm going to go on a limb here and say that Hollande is going to get ridiculed by Sarko in the one debate they're going to actually have.
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On April 23 2012 23:17 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 22:47 tekos44 wrote:On April 23 2012 22:23 TanTzoR wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 bayside wrote:
75% on income tax over 1 MIL Euro, that puts the mid-upper class even with the lower-middle class, which seems unfair because most people earn that money, or someone in their family earned it.. Wtf, over 1M euro per year is the mid-upper class for you? It's like 0.5% of something, it's the upper upper class. u_u it's actually ~0.01%, 5000 people in France earn more than 1M euro per year Where are you getting those numbers? Sources please. I'm kind of unsurprised that Hollande dodged debates with Sarko. Sarko has many faults but he's got charisma, as well as having an agenda that makes more sense than Hollande's. But what does that tell you about Hollande? He's ahead in votes and he refuses to have more than one debate with Sarkozy? Does he not trust his ideas? Or himself? How the hell is he going to be credible on an international level if he doesn't even want to debate? His excuse of "oh yeah sarkozy lost and now he wants to debate more and break tradition?" Fuck that, that's a pathetic excuse, winning by 1,5% isn't winning, especially considering how many people voted Le Pen. If anything I really, really want to hear an extensive debate between them both. But yeah already the refusal to debate is making me lean towards Sarkozy. In an ideal world, politics is about debating what the best course of action is in the face of a certain situation. It's not about defending a measly 1,5% for ego purposes. I'm going to go on a limb here and say that Hollande is going to get ridiculed by Sarko in the one debate they're going to actually have.
Thing is a TV debate is always going to be about rethoric and charisma, not a battle of ideas. Kennedy saw to that.
Hollande refusing to play the game and letting politics be about politics is a wise choice in my oppinion.
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On April 23 2012 22:49 CoR wrote:
Marine Le Pen - National Front : 18%
nearly 20% ? every 5th france guy vote for a right-wing extremistic party ?
and we in germany cry that we have ~2-3 % ...
guys wake up plz !
Protest votes (blank votes and spoilt votes) are not counted in the results, so instead of protest voting, some people vote for the National Front.
There's no way to know for sure how many people really agree with the candidate and how many are just protesting, but protest votes are a part of it.
18% is still way too much, but it's more a failure from the other parties than the victory of the National Front.
I really hope the percentage of people agreeing with the core ideas of the National Front is way less than that.
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On April 23 2012 22:49 CoR wrote:
Marine Le Pen - National Front : 18%
nearly 20% ? every 5th france guy vote for a right-wing extremistic party ?
and we in germany cry that we have ~2-3 % ...
guys wake up plz !
It's even worse than that actually, a large part of the far right vote seemed to be transferred to Sarkozy.
What can I say, I guess we're just a very racist country, no need to deny it.
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On April 23 2012 23:17 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 22:47 tekos44 wrote:On April 23 2012 22:23 TanTzoR wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 bayside wrote:
75% on income tax over 1 MIL Euro, that puts the mid-upper class even with the lower-middle class, which seems unfair because most people earn that money, or someone in their family earned it.. Wtf, over 1M euro per year is the mid-upper class for you? It's like 0.5% of something, it's the upper upper class. u_u it's actually ~0.01%, 5000 people in France earn more than 1M euro per year Where are you getting those numbers? Sources please. I'm kind of unsurprised that Hollande dodged debates with Sarko. Sarko has many faults but he's got charisma, as well as having an agenda that makes more sense than Hollande's. But what does that tell you about Hollande? He's ahead in votes and he refuses to have more than one debate with Sarkozy? Does he not trust his ideas? Or himself? How the hell is he going to be credible on an international level if he doesn't even want to debate? His excuse of "oh yeah sarkozy lost and now he wants to debate more and break tradition?" Fuck that, that's a pathetic excuse, winning by 1,5% isn't winning, especially considering how many people voted Le Pen. If anything I really, really want to hear an extensive debate between them both. But yeah already the refusal to debate is making me lean towards Sarkozy. In an ideal world, politics is about debating what the best course of action is in the face of a certain situation. It's not about defending a measly 1,5% for ego purposes. I'm going to go on a limb here and say that Hollande is going to get ridiculed by Sarko in the one debate they're going to actually have.
Hollande doesn't stand much of a chance against Sarkozy when it comes to a debate, in 2007 it was the nail in thee coffin for Royal and Hollande wants to avoid it. In 2002 Chirac also took the first shot he could have out of a debate against Le Pen (father), simple reason he would have gotten destroyed... (Still he would have won the elections but would have been one embarrassing epidose for Chirac). I'm not that surprised that Hollande is dodging
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On April 23 2012 23:22 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 23:17 Incognoto wrote:On April 23 2012 22:47 tekos44 wrote:On April 23 2012 22:23 TanTzoR wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 bayside wrote:
75% on income tax over 1 MIL Euro, that puts the mid-upper class even with the lower-middle class, which seems unfair because most people earn that money, or someone in their family earned it.. Wtf, over 1M euro per year is the mid-upper class for you? It's like 0.5% of something, it's the upper upper class. u_u it's actually ~0.01%, 5000 people in France earn more than 1M euro per year Where are you getting those numbers? Sources please. I'm kind of unsurprised that Hollande dodged debates with Sarko. Sarko has many faults but he's got charisma, as well as having an agenda that makes more sense than Hollande's. But what does that tell you about Hollande? He's ahead in votes and he refuses to have more than one debate with Sarkozy? Does he not trust his ideas? Or himself? How the hell is he going to be credible on an international level if he doesn't even want to debate? His excuse of "oh yeah sarkozy lost and now he wants to debate more and break tradition?" Fuck that, that's a pathetic excuse, winning by 1,5% isn't winning, especially considering how many people voted Le Pen. If anything I really, really want to hear an extensive debate between them both. But yeah already the refusal to debate is making me lean towards Sarkozy. In an ideal world, politics is about debating what the best course of action is in the face of a certain situation. It's not about defending a measly 1,5% for ego purposes. I'm going to go on a limb here and say that Hollande is going to get ridiculed by Sarko in the one debate they're going to actually have. Thing is a TV debate is always going to be about rethoric and charisma, not a battle of ideas. Kennedy saw to that. Hollande refusing to play the game and letting politics be about politics is a wise choice in my oppinion.
Yeah charisma plays a huge part in TV debates for sure, you're right about that. That said, having charisma in international relations is something that's pretty important. I also believe that a smart person (granted not a wide-spread gift ;p) can attempt to look past the charismatic aspect of the debate and attempt to see actual political content.
Edit: I think Chirac vs Le Pen is a different story because Le Pen is an actual nutter and there's no need to debate to know that. You can't have a real debate with an extremist, but between two non-extremist parties you can.
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On April 23 2012 23:17 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 22:47 tekos44 wrote:On April 23 2012 22:23 TanTzoR wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 bayside wrote:
75% on income tax over 1 MIL Euro, that puts the mid-upper class even with the lower-middle class, which seems unfair because most people earn that money, or someone in their family earned it.. Wtf, over 1M euro per year is the mid-upper class for you? It's like 0.5% of something, it's the upper upper class. u_u it's actually ~0.01%, 5000 people in France earn more than 1M euro per year Where are you getting those numbers? Sources please.
I remember seeing this 5000 people figure but cant find it anymore
But I found this source (in french), telling that this tax would apply to a number of people between 7000 and 30k
Here
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On April 23 2012 23:25 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 23:22 KlaCkoN wrote:On April 23 2012 23:17 Incognoto wrote:On April 23 2012 22:47 tekos44 wrote:On April 23 2012 22:23 TanTzoR wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 bayside wrote:
75% on income tax over 1 MIL Euro, that puts the mid-upper class even with the lower-middle class, which seems unfair because most people earn that money, or someone in their family earned it.. Wtf, over 1M euro per year is the mid-upper class for you? It's like 0.5% of something, it's the upper upper class. u_u it's actually ~0.01%, 5000 people in France earn more than 1M euro per year Where are you getting those numbers? Sources please. I'm kind of unsurprised that Hollande dodged debates with Sarko. Sarko has many faults but he's got charisma, as well as having an agenda that makes more sense than Hollande's. But what does that tell you about Hollande? He's ahead in votes and he refuses to have more than one debate with Sarkozy? Does he not trust his ideas? Or himself? How the hell is he going to be credible on an international level if he doesn't even want to debate? His excuse of "oh yeah sarkozy lost and now he wants to debate more and break tradition?" Fuck that, that's a pathetic excuse, winning by 1,5% isn't winning, especially considering how many people voted Le Pen. If anything I really, really want to hear an extensive debate between them both. But yeah already the refusal to debate is making me lean towards Sarkozy. In an ideal world, politics is about debating what the best course of action is in the face of a certain situation. It's not about defending a measly 1,5% for ego purposes. I'm going to go on a limb here and say that Hollande is going to get ridiculed by Sarko in the one debate they're going to actually have. Thing is a TV debate is always going to be about rethoric and charisma, not a battle of ideas. Kennedy saw to that. Hollande refusing to play the game and letting politics be about politics is a wise choice in my oppinion. Yeah charisma plays a huge part in TV debates for sure, you're right about that. That said, having charisma in international relations is something that's pretty important. I also believe that a smart person (granted not a wide-spread gift ;p) can attempt to look past the charismatic aspect of the debate and attempt to see actual political content. Edit: I think Chirac vs Le Pen is a different story because Le Pen is an actual nutter and there's no need to debate to know that. You can't have a real debate with an extremist, but between two non-extremist parties you can.
on the edit: that the line Chirac used, as crazy as Le Pen is - and he is - he's a far better debater than Chirac was
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On April 23 2012 23:32 tekos44 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 23:17 Incognoto wrote:On April 23 2012 22:47 tekos44 wrote:On April 23 2012 22:23 TanTzoR wrote:On April 23 2012 21:58 bayside wrote:
75% on income tax over 1 MIL Euro, that puts the mid-upper class even with the lower-middle class, which seems unfair because most people earn that money, or someone in their family earned it.. Wtf, over 1M euro per year is the mid-upper class for you? It's like 0.5% of something, it's the upper upper class. u_u it's actually ~0.01%, 5000 people in France earn more than 1M euro per year Where are you getting those numbers? Sources please. I remember seeing this 5000 people figure but cant find it anymore But I found this source (in french), telling that this tax would apply to a number of people between 7000 and 30k Here
Ah thanks. 5000 seemed quite small, that fork is probably more accurate.
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On April 23 2012 23:23 MilesTeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 22:49 CoR wrote:
Marine Le Pen - National Front : 18%
nearly 20% ? every 5th france guy vote for a right-wing extremistic party ?
and we in germany cry that we have ~2-3 % ...
guys wake up plz ! It's even worse than that actually, a large part of the far right vote seemed to be transferred to Sarkozy. What can I say, I guess we're just a very racist country, no need to deny it.
Stop with that seriously. The FN has racist roots, and it's main members are racist for sure. But if you look at the program itself there is nothing racist. She even proposed to renovate all the banlieues and systematically repair any damage (elle interview). Marine Lepen stated multiple times that she considers french people of equal importance whatever their race/religion. Does she really think it? Not sure, but that's another matter.
Most of the people vote for her because:
-Leave Europe, they think it's not sustainable nothing racist about that
-Reduce immigration, again you may want to reduce immigration without being racist. But just thinking that we can't worthily receive new inmigrants.
-Protesters who are like "fuck it"
Maybe something like 20% are racists, which would be around 5% of the total population.
I totally disagree with Lepen's program and I actually voted Bayrou but I'm really annoyed by people going on "20% of the population is racist, what a racist country".
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On April 23 2012 23:23 MilesTeg wrote:
It's even worse than that actually, a large part of the far right vote seemed to be transferred to Sarkozy.
What can I say, I guess we're just a very racist country, no need to deny it.
Latest Sofres polls indicate that 30% of Front National votes would go to the Socialist candidate in the second round, 40% to UMP, with roughly 30% rejecting both (although Ipsos has them 20/60/20). There are a number of people that voted for Front National first round and consider F. Hollande closer to M. Le Pen than N. Sarkozy.
I do not believe Front National votes have anything to do with racism (except for maybe a few extremists)
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On April 23 2012 22:10 bayside wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 10:28 kwizach wrote:On April 23 2012 10:16 Jago wrote:On April 23 2012 10:06 kwizach wrote:On April 23 2012 10:01 Jago wrote:On April 23 2012 09:55 kwizach wrote:On April 23 2012 09:43 BlackJack wrote:On April 23 2012 09:06 kwizach wrote:On April 23 2012 07:32 Jago wrote:On April 23 2012 07:06 VyingsP wrote:
On the other hand, Hollande has some good measures, such as the ineligibility for 10 years of the politicians convinced with corruption, or the increase of the inheritance tax (which is only fair, if you consider that being rich should be deserved and not inherited). WTF? Inheritance tax is one of the most retarded taxations in existence. So if I work my ass off to build a nestegg for my wife and children, pay my taxes throughout the decades, then I die and then... they have to pay taxes AGAIN? Why should the money someone earns by inheritance be taxed at a lower rate than the money someone earns by working hard? Watch Anthony Weiner (I miss this guy SO much) completely demolish Megyn Kelly and Mike Huckabee on that precise topic: vs Megyn Kellyvs Mike HuckabeeThe fallacy that opponents of the estate tax use is the idea that the person who's dead has gotten taxed twice. That is NOT the case. That person got taxed once, when he earned his money. The person inheriting the money also gets taxed once, when receiving the money. Why should you have to pay in order to give your child something? That's a pretty twisted idea in its own. You're not paying anything, you're dead. Your child, however, pays a tax on his inheritance. He's getting money by doing nothing, there's really no reason why he should pay less in taxes than someone who works his ass off to earn the same amount. So is your line of reasoning seriously something along the lines of "if you are getting money, for anything, from anything, you have to pay taxes on it"? That's some seriously twisted thinking... My line of reasoning, as already stated, is that there is no reason someone receiving money by not doing any work through inheritance should pay less taxes on that money than someone working his ass off to earn the same amount. Stop calling it "seriously twisted thinking", not only is that an ad hominem, it's also ridiculous since many countries have something amounting to an estate or inheritance tax, including the United States and your own country (Finland). First of all, you need to look up the definition of ad hominen. Second, I am well aware my country (Finland) has an inheritance tax and it's one of the many reasons why I consider Finland's taxation system to be broken. From Merriam-Webster: "1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect" [which is what you're doing by calling it "twisted thinking" - you didn't even attempt to respond to the actual argument]You're free to hold the opinion that inheritance tax should not exist, but so far you've either stated fallacies ("we're getting taxed twice" - wrong) or qualified my line of thinking as "twisted", which in no way addresses my arguments/advances the debate. Think logical: Somebody worked for the money, somebody had already paid taxes on it,
I am "thinking logical", thank you very much. I already responded to that argument several times.
On April 23 2012 22:10 bayside wrote:
and before you speak about American Tax Law, know that you don't have to pay an inheritance tax if you understand how it works, take this example:
My family has an estate of 56.5 MIL, alright so that is spread between Grandparents, Sons/Daughters, Grandkids, if you split it into all different parts: 3 Sons/Daughters, 9 Grandkids, each person inherits 4.7 million, but in reality the sons/daughters inherit 18.8 MIL, there is no tax strain due to the splitting of the inheritance, and how it is setup into different accounts and funds, as well as a 3% lawyering fee for an estate manager. At least in America this is how it works, source: My Estate Lawyer at annual meeting last summer.
You realize that this poorly presented example would be nothing more than loophole in a system in which the inheritance/estate tax exists, right?
On April 23 2012 22:10 bayside wrote:
There are plenty of loopholes, because doubletax is wrong, what do you need to pay so much tax for? So poor useless fucks who haven't ever been anything get a free ride to everything?
You do understand that the one inheriting money is the one getting the free ride, don't you?
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On April 23 2012 23:39 Oshuy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 23:23 MilesTeg wrote:
It's even worse than that actually, a large part of the far right vote seemed to be transferred to Sarkozy.
What can I say, I guess we're just a very racist country, no need to deny it. Latest Sofres polls indicate that 30% of Front National votes would go to the Socialist candidate in the second round, 40% to UMP, with roughly 30% rejecting both (although Ipsos has them 20/60/20). There are a number of people that voted for Front National first round and consider F. Hollande closer to M. Le Pen than N. Sarkozy. I do not believe Front National votes have anything to do with racism (except for maybe a few extremists)
It has to do with xenophobia. There is no way to reduce immigration down to 10 000 per year without a great display of violence.
If someone is ready to use violence to drastically reduce the number of foreigners in the country when the situation is not that bad (one of the best world economies and one of the wealthiest nations after all), it's simply about xenophobia.
Several studies have shown that no, immigrants don't take our jobs. African doctors are there simply because we don't have enough ourselves (many leave to work abroad), and the primary and secundary sectors are simply declining inevitably. Immigrants usually take the jobs typically no one wants, ie cleaning the streets or working at McDonalds.
You can also cut any form of welfare but then you would find yourselves with growing ghettos and the eventual disappearance of the middle-class (unattainable by those below, therefore not renewable).
So racist, probably kind of (certain populations are particularly hated), but mostly xenophobic. They're not the same thing but they go hand in hand.
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