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I've been beaten to death by my mother with a shoe-fit, a doorstop and a wok before for not doing some petty shitty homework. Now I'm battle hardened and impervious to pain, it's all good.
(Seriously that happened)
It's a part of eastern culture, and I can see why so many westerners despise it as unnecessary act of stupid household violence, BUT there's a clear cut difference between smacking your kid because he's being a moaning bitch and teaching discipline and mental focus as well as persistence regarding life.
My two cents is that if youre a stupid enough parent to spoil and raise an arsefuck of a kid like the one in the video, you're too stupid to know when to give'em a smack to keep their chances of becoming a successful human being intact.
Thus I'm totally for beating kids in a loving way to teach them a few precious, if at the time trivial, lessons in life.
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I got whooped a lot when I was younger, but I was a little bastard as a child. I got the worst beating when I helped my friend steal a credit card from a customer at his dad's store. I did some pretty stoopid stuff back then.
One time I called my mom a bitch and my dad floored me with one hit.
I think I'm a better person because my parents kept me in line when I was going through some very unruly stages. Of course, my parents have always been very supportive and loving when I needed them. Whoopings were a last resort. Basically, I agree with Fireblast's previous post.
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On October 04 2005 12:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:
hulkamania, actually im working in a daycare centre for children aged 7 - 10, but thanks for making assumptions.
(and my dad has a phd in children's pedagogics, if you're gonna be mentioning examples that really hold no relevance.)
True I made an assumption, but I said "I have to assume." If that upsets you, I'm sorry, but you can't get anywhere in any discussion with a bunch of good old assumptions.
And, speaking of assumptions, you seem to have made a huge one with your, "punishing through hitting isn't appropriate behaviour." If my child learns through my hitting him that it's appropriate to punish through hitting, hell, I figure I'm pretty well off seeing as I believe it's appropriate to punish through hitting and that's what I would like to teach my child.
You see, unfortunately, you haven't gotten me to believe it's inappropriate. You associate it with laziness and a lack of creativity; I associate it with responsibility and practicing an effective means of punishment. You throw out that old claim that violence solves things in a second rate fashion; I put all my faith in the thrilling prospect that some things in this tired earth still warrant violence, virile and pure. You evidently want a son who realizes that everyone should just get along with one another; I want my son to be fluent in the language of violence. All the most beautiful things in life--romance, danger, courage, achievement, duty--involve violence. The kingdom of heaven still suffers violence, and the violent still take it by force.
So I won't concern myself with coddling the frail psyche of my infant son when he arrives; I won't fret about "traumatizing" him; I'm confident he'll be made of sterner stuff. I'll concern myself with loving him, modeling fatherhood and masculinity to him, and instructing him in the way that he should go. The rod corrects so that it might guide, and I'll be damned if I guide my son into a world whose overarching axiom is, "You should play nicely with everyone else at all times."
And obedience? By your own admission, you're not obedient; so, what do you know of obedience? Do you know what balls it takes to be obedient? Do you know that obedience isn't some default mode of self-abnegating willlessness, but a high achievement of positive virtue? A man who, with faith and fervor, obeys something--be it his wife, his homeland, or God Himself--has won a battle; he has conquered a foe. The trumpet-blast of obedience commands valor and action; it doesn't call for retreat. I don't understand your point about "obedience for obedience's sake," but it does gall me to see someone disparage obedience so dispassionately.
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Norway28727 Posts
no point in arguing with someone with an entirely different viewpoint on humanity
so I'm not gonna bother. if you want your kid to be violent and obedient, go ahead and hit him. it will work for that purpose.
however, I do not.
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Right, but if such a person as myself, with an entirely different viewpoint on humanity, comes bearing down on you and yours with weapons of anihilation, are you going to talk him away? Your son will be a good talker; maybe he can help. 
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Norway28727 Posts
why the hell would you do that without me provoking you?
here in norway you don't find trouble without looking for it. maybe because we're not breeded into violence.
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I dunno; why the hell indeed? Perhaps I'm a person with an entirely different viewpoint on humanity? Perhaps you can't fathom the smallest portion of my motive? And still, if I were to be such a pitiless and belligerent person, I think you'd have a hard time finding the necessary instruments of defense in that strange little philosophy of yours.
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Norway28727 Posts
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you're arguing that teaching your child not to be violent is bad because others might not teach their children to be nonviolent..?
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No, not at all. This last exchange is entirely tangential. I just thought it was interesting that you said there's no point in arguing with someone so fundamentally different from you. Certain fundamental differences could very well lead to violence, in which you'd find your pacifism of little aid. I mean, like you said, you can't argue with someone like that. So I often wonder what the pacifistic response would be.
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this is the funniest hting ever
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Unfortunately, it's over for now. I have to go research the economics of Elizabethan theatre for my sweet English major.
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Norway28727 Posts
my pacifistic response is
I think you're a fucking idiot
and there is no point in responding to anything you say
if you wanna beat me up now then go right ahead, I live in norway.
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why dont you just kick your teachers ass with your oh so different viewpoint on humanity
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On October 04 2005 14:17 HULKAMANIA wrote:
Unfortunately, it's over for now. I have to go research the economics of Elizabethan theatre for my sweet English major.
English major...brave people those folk. 
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I understand eri and agree with him, but I do think he takes his views a little extreme. I really do think there can be situations where spanking your child is the best thing for him.
and eri
my parents spanked me
many times
they were also a little more violent than that a couple times(but never anything extreme)
I think the punishment worked well. There may have been other options, but really spanking me worked and i hold no ill-will towards my parents for it.
Also, as you should know, im extremely nonviolent. In fact I think we've discussed it and my views on violence are very similar to yours.
A parent spanking a child is a special situation, though. There is no other relationship between 2 people like that of a child and parent.
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On October 04 2005 13:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
no point in arguing with someone with an entirely different viewpoint on humanity
so I'm not gonna bother. if you want your kid to be violent and obedient, go ahead and hit him. it will work for that purpose.
however, I do not.
I think you are assuming again, who says that the outcome of discipling a child is making them violent and obedient?
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On October 04 2005 14:37 travis wrote:
I understand eri and agree with him, but I do think he takes his views a little extreme. I really do think there can be situations where spanking your child is the best thing for him.
and eri
my parents spanked me
many times
they were also a little more violent than that a couple times(but never anything extreme)
I think the punishment worked well. There may have been other options, but really spanking me worked and i hold no ill-will towards my parents for it.
Also, as you should know, im extremely nonviolent. In fact I think we've discussed it and my views on violence are very similar to yours.
A parent spanking a child is a special situation, though. There is no other relationship between 2 people like that of a child and parent.
i think we have a winner folks.
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On October 04 2005 14:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:
my pacifistic response is
I think you're a fucking idiot
Is it really that bankrupt?
It strikes me as strange that pacifism says every life should be protected from violence but contains no mechanism to protect life from the truly violent. It merely demands, in shrill tones, that we should not kill, but it can't stop those who would kill. It's an impotent philosophy.
Personally, I don't have any reason to beat you up, Drone. Beating up a pacifist is like abusing a child, which as you may have gathered from this thread I wholly oppose, and my worldview doesn't promote sensless acts of agression. But there are those who would abuse children and who would massacre people wholesale. What refuge can pacifism offer their victims? If I were really intent on harming you or your loved ones, you would have to disown your own dogma to stop me. Those men who live by the sword may yet die by the sword, but those men who live by pacifism become unmanned.
I'm not talking about nonviolent protest either; so, all you folks who now want to lecture me on MLK or Gandhi should find someone else.
The world reeks of violence; it takes a man of greater faith than mine to hope that someday mankind will leave his bloody ways behind. A world of doves would be peaceful and all, but it only takes one raven to ruin the whole system. I think anyone here can attest to the fact that ravens have blackened our world forever, and I think it's a piss poor idea to have a philosophy with no means of dealing with them. The niavete of someone who thinks we'll one day talk our way to utopia stuns me.
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I don't remember excactly the reasons why I was spanked. I broke stuff, not on purpose but to find stuff out. How does this work where does that fit in, soccerball through the window etc. Didn't happen much. I kinda flet sorry for my dad doing that. I thought it was pretty pathetic at the time. I felt it was a last resort kind of thing when my parents could not convince me I did something wrong. Maybe I was just too stuborn, the spanking only strenghtened the idea I was in the right so it was kind of counterproductive.
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I didn't know it was that difficult to post the link to the video.
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