Why beating you kid isn't all that bad...

On October 03 2005 16:20 pheer wrote:
I want to slowly saw through that child's legs. Then his arms. Then I will bandage him and put his stump into a box of ants. The ants will eventually eat him. It would make me very happy.

People like that kid should DIE.

On October 03 2005 16:32 travis wrote:
why don't you just marry him then

On October 03 2005 16:42 Eatme wrote:
Well I dont think there should be any reason at all to beat a kid. And if you feel that it's justified you have probably made alot of parenting errors before you got to that point.
Like mahc said the kid could have got the milk faster if he just got up and got it for himself, now a parent could hint the little brat that and he would probably see that it made sense. Unfortunately this kid seems a bit beyond repair for such easy stuff as understanding common sense.
However kicking his ass is pretty far from the answer. Not giving him the milk and ignoring his ranting would be more like it.

On October 03 2005 16:50 HULKAMANIA wrote:


Honestly that's bullshit. Spare the rod; spoil the child.

On October 03 2005 16:54 NewbSaibot wrote:
The rod was in reference to a shepherd, who guides his sheep with a rod. Without the rod, the sheep get out of line and become lost and astray. Has nothing to do with beating the child with a rod like most people think they did back in the day. Obviously kids who are ABUSED, as what most of you are recommending here, grow up to be serial killers or child rapists, so how can you possibly be recommending him torture? I know most of you are exagerrating, but i feel a few arent.

On October 03 2005 17:28 -_- wrote:
Anyone have a text transcript :-(

On October 03 2005 17:39 mitsy wrote:
you all act so proud that your parents were 5% less retarded than his (on average). too bad you all share the same 20th-21st century education.

On October 03 2005 17:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
I'd just like to point out that it was Rainbow Six 3 that he was playing, not Halo 2.

Also, I don't understand this here:
"you all act so proud that your parents were 5% less retarded than his (on average). too bad you all share the same 20th-21st century education."

Don't you also have the same education? Are you from the future or something?

On October 03 2005 18:26 anarchyplz wrote:
beating child in that state will just make him go WTF

On October 03 2005 16:54 NewbSaibot wrote:


The rod was in reference to a shepherd, who guides his sheep with a rod. Without the rod, the sheep get out of line and become lost and astray. Has nothing to do with beating the child with a rod like most people think they did back in the day. Obviously kids who are ABUSED, as what most of you are recommending here, grow up to be serial killers or child rapists, so how can you possibly be recommending him torture? I know most of you are exagerrating, but i feel a few arent.

On October 03 2005 19:09 HULKAMANIA wrote:
Oh. And, Klogon, I'm glad you approve of me.

On October 03 2005 19:25 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:


I don't want to quote your entire post above, because it's too long, but, I completely agree with what you're saying. My parents did everything with me (not that I was some demon child or something), but the only thing that worked for them was to hit me. They could yell all they wanted, talk calmly all they wanted, take stuff away all they wanted, but I didn't care; however, when I got a hand to the face, I cared.

On October 03 2005 20:38 Izenra wrote:


Parent suck.

If you are yelling all the time, the kid won't take it seriously.

I never got beat up, and younger I had a lot of energy, jump all around a lot etc. But whenever my parent start yelling, which happened so not often, I was fucking scared because I was not used to it. So I obeyed.

On October 03 2005 16:20 pheer wrote:
I want to slowly saw through that child's legs. Then his arms. Then I will bandage him and put his stump into a box of ants. The ants will eventually eat him. It would make me very happy.

People like that kid should DIE.

On October 04 2005 01:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think anyone whose children would advocate hitting a child did a bad job
no offense to anyone although im sure lots are offended

On October 04 2005 06:19 bburn wrote:

A spanking is a good deal different than hitting I would say...or would you disagree?

All spanking does is create a direct relationship between that one particular action and a consequence. If you spank a child for pouring milk on your 32" tv, then he will establish not to spill milk on a 32" tv. But he'll probably have no reservations about spilling OJ on your stereo, because thats not a 32" tv which he was explicitely told not to do.

On October 04 2005 08:52 NewbSaibot wrote:
Go up to a fellow coworker next time they do something you dont approve of, and slap them. See what they consider it. Spanking is obviously extremely stressful and invokes great fear in children, fear that is totally unnecessary, and imo, severely twists them emotionally. I mean on the one hand you are their caregiver, they look to you for undying love and attention, they think you are amazing, and want to never be with anyone else but you. You are in essence, their true love. Then all the sudden you bring pain upon them? Swinging your arm at them in a way to make them break down into crybaby state, even when they are well past the age of throwing tantrums (which is a normal part of development, at the age of 2, when your brain begins experiencing new emotions and you dont know how to handle it all). I dunno, to me, hitting the one you love is sick. I see it as no different than hitting your own wife in the face because you think she needs to learn what not to do.

In modern society we usually educate people in what to do, as opposed to what not to do. My parents never spanked me. Instead they would lecture me, tell me about what i just did, explain it to me in their eyes, put me in their shoes, or whomever's shoes i might be offending, so that i could understand WHY i shouldnt do what im doing, rather than just "dont do that!". All spanking does is create a direct relationship between that one particular action and a consequence. If you spank a child for pouring milk on your 32" tv, then he will establish not to spill milk on a 32" tv. But he'll probably have no reservations about spilling OJ on your stereo, because thats not a 32" tv which he was explicitely told not to do.

But if you explain to him that this tv is property, one which you worked hard for and paid for, and enjoy, and he enjoys, and that you like it very much and prefer to keep it working, and that milk makes a mess and causes you work to clean up, which makes you unhappy, and that theres a strong possibility you will become unhappy as a result, by cleaning it up yourself, or not having a nice tv to watch, then next time the child is more likely to consider all the possible variables in his actions and make an intelligent decision about if he really wants to do this or not, because his brain has grown accustomed to considering the implications of his actions, and not just worrying about what might happen to himself.

On October 04 2005 09:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
it was a bad example

hitting/spanking your child teaches your child to not get caught doing what he wasn't supposed to do as much as it teaches him not to do it
and it also teaches that violence is a proper way to respond when someone does something bad towards you.

On October 04 2005 09:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
it was a bad example

hitting/spanking your child teaches your child to not get caught doing what he wasn't supposed to do as much as it teaches him not to do it
and it also teaches that violence is a proper way to respond when someone does something bad towards you.

As they should fear for the lives but are not yet mentally developed enough to fully understand the danger.

On October 04 2005 09:06 NewbSaibot wrote:
Imagine if you got a spanking for getting a problem wrong in algebra. Well, you would know that your solution was wrong, and not to do it that way anymore. But thankfully teachers explain to us the right way to do it instead. Im sure with enough spankings in math class you could eventually solve your own theorems based on all the collected things you have done wrong, and avoid all those. Essentially being successful by process of elimination. This is how i see the thinking process for a spanked child and an educated child.

On October 04 2005 09:15 bburn wrote:

How about if a child does not do their algebra homework, and is getting poor grades as a result. The child has been told multiple times that not doing their homework is adversly impacting their grade, and the continue not to do it. What I am saying is some kids just don't give a shit about their grades in school as they are not yet at the point in their lives were they can forsee the value of their education, could a spanking not encourage the child to do their homework even if they cannont understand the reason for doing it to begin with?

On October 04 2005 09:28 lil.sis wrote:

how do you react as a parent here? by trying to explain to the child who is screaming at you that no they can't raise their voice to you because you love them blah blah blah?
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On October 04 2005 09:41 lil.sis wrote:
no im not even talking about a physically superior child

i mean your 9 year old son

but how do you make that child go to his room when they're not listening? you grab him by the ear and drag his ass up there

On October 04 2005 09:58 Liquid`Daaman wrote:
If any of you seriously think "solving" the problem by a beating is a good idea I'm scared... Does that even need explaining?

Obviously something went seriously wrong prior to this event, with that kids upbringing. still, he's young and providing him with the idea that you can use violence to solve situations will probably just fuck him up far more. Simply make clear rules that state what is unacceptable behavior (obviously remove his games etc if he misbehaves) and don't forget to try and appreciate (show it!) every small gesture of good will that he'll show.

If he runs away from home given these new rules I guess it's harder (some would argue it's gone too far already), but you really have to be the boss over your child sometimes. Parents today want to be best friends with their kids and let media raise them. Don't! Instead, act grown up, take responsibility and be "mean" to them by explaining they can't always get their will, but never recide to violence...

Don't you agree or what? I'm often amazed by how messed up some people's ideals are these days...

On October 04 2005 12:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:
hulkamania, actually im working in a daycare centre for children aged 7 - 10, but thanks for making assumptions.
(and my dad has a phd in children's pedagogics, if you're gonna be mentioning examples that really hold no relevance.)

On October 04 2005 14:17 HULKAMANIA wrote:
Unfortunately, it's over for now. I have to go research the economics of Elizabethan theatre for my sweet English major.

On October 04 2005 13:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
no point in arguing with someone with an entirely different viewpoint on humanity
so I'm not gonna bother. if you want your kid to be violent and obedient, go ahead and hit him. it will work for that purpose.

however, I do not.

On October 04 2005 14:37 travis wrote:
I understand eri and agree with him, but I do think he takes his views a little extreme. I really do think there can be situations where spanking your child is the best thing for him.


and eri
my parents spanked me
many times


they were also a little more violent than that a couple times(but never anything extreme)

I think the punishment worked well. There may have been other options, but really spanking me worked and i hold no ill-will towards my parents for it.

Also, as you should know, im extremely nonviolent. In fact I think we've discussed it and my views on violence are very similar to yours.


A parent spanking a child is a special situation, though. There is no other relationship between 2 people like that of a child and parent.

On October 04 2005 14:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:
my pacifistic response is

I think you're a fucking idiot

I feel sorry for folks who have never known how fitting and wholesome it feels to fear a being who loves you unconditionally.

On October 04 2005 17:22 NewbSaibot wrote:
Just to put things in comparison though, in the adult world, do we discipline each other with violence when we commit childish acts? When one breaks the law, and steals $50,000, is he attacked "with an open hand on the hiney because thats emotionally different than a fist"? No, we just send them to prison, where they can think about what they did. In fact, prison is designed for rehabilitation, although this purpose is often overlooked due to the masses in it's care. We dont hurt them to show that doing certain shit is bad, we let them figure that out on their own.

On October 04 2005 17:22 NewbSaibot wrote:
edit: i just glanced and caught this quote This is the most self-loathing sado masochistic disturbing thing i've read in awhile. Gave me chills. "There is nothing more pleasurable that the fear of pain from the least expected source". What the fuck? Why dont i just cut myself instead, im sure that would be pretty thrilling in a sick unusual way.