LoL takes #1 E-sport spot in Korea - Page 77

On March 16 2012 00:30 Zergneedsfood wrote:


I like fake board games.

Pai Sho from Avatar anyone?

On March 16 2012 00:34 Blasterion wrote:

Screw pai sho real men play real games.like Mahjong

On March 16 2012 00:28 Exempt. wrote:


The real conclusion is everyone who plays lots and lots of LoL at some point won't make them better at the game in which case there will be no way to determine who the best truly is.

This conclusion is countered by the fact that this opinion can't exactly be proven correct and thus for now can't be proven incorrect, thus the game can't be considered uncompetitive until proven true, in which in that situation is considered an esports game among other various factors such as number of competitors and other various issues.

In which case said first conclusion is proven false until professional play proves it to be true in which case the prediction in the first place proves the first conclusion true.

If you follow that, hard to say since your post was pretty off base.

On March 16 2012 00:36 Zergneedsfood wrote:


Wow. You did not just diss Pai Sho.

Pai Sho takes skill. Mahjong is so easy. Low skill cap, it's fun to play, but it's just horrible to watch. There also too many tiles but you only have like....three actions. You just take tiles and you flip them around.

Gosh. Terrible player. Go screw yourself and cry in a corner for killing e-sports.

On March 16 2012 00:37 Blasterion wrote:

6 points.

On March 16 2012 00:38 Sawamura wrote:


Shouldn't we all play GO ? It's a much more harder game and much more recognised like bw ...... oopps.

On March 16 2012 00:06 Exempt. wrote:


Well because it's just your opinion whether or not there is something to argue about. If you don't feel it's worth arguing then the obvious decision is to not engage in argument. You flinging shit because some people want to argue doesn't make you any better than anyone else.

The constructive argument I placed was that I felt LoL was bad for esports as it didn't support competition that would last many years to come for reasons such as lack of differentiating skill and what not. My conclusive thesis was that because of this lack of competition LoL would just hurt esports in the long run. Not help it.

The problem is people didn't go with retorting my opinion. They shit talked it. All that needed to be done with this argument was
someone to post what juicyfruit said recently in his opinions as to why lol is worth competition and thus esports by talking about:

- How many competitors there are
- Potential for skill improvement (i.e. skill cap)
- Balance

if someone simply, academically brang those points up to disprove my opinions on lol as a competitive game I would of left the discussion more open-minded.

But no, that didn't happen, because people can't think in a logic fashion, they get too clouded by their emotions because of the fact that I was arguing something that they certainly didn't believe in.

Here's one to hoping public school systems slowly improve / college is stressed more in society so that some day a larger portion of the human race can participate in a scholarly debate that so many simply aren't prepared to do now.

wait....what...? people are arguing saying lol is a difficult game? what... that's a tough argument to make i must say.

I mean I can see people giving arguments that lol is as difficult as dota (its not) or counterstrike or quake (also not) or whatever, but motherfucking starcraft? That's silly trolling. I mean I might be sounding like a troll not even giving my reasonings as to why starcraft is undoubtedly a million fucking times harder but I think anyone with even an ounce of common sense will have the realization that no game genre comes close to it in purely mechanical and strategical skill.

-You not only might sound like a troll, you are purely trolling

The mechanical part is obvious but you might ask why strategical? Starcraft is more difficult strategical simply because it isn't a team game I'm sorry but take any task that you can do solo and then try to do it with five people. It's simply harder.

The only thing starcraft lacks is team synergy...and out of other team games of LoL, dota, counterstrike, hell even wow arenas I don't believe lol takes it out of the bunch.

I'm hugely disappointed by the Korean esports scene to try and make a quick buck with a popular game like this and taint the name and competition of esports that they have held so dearly over the years. Everyone looked towards them for guidance in how this is done and them supporting arguably the most casual and mechanically easiest demanding game of nearly all multiplayer games flusters me.

-sounds like you are going pretty emo there to me

The only argument that I've seen lol-defenders post against this is that ultimately the skill of gaming is between the players and the media on which they play doesn't matter if the competition is the fiercest. Absolutely 100% silly when it's possible to actually HIT the skill cap in the game.

-Do please give an example of how any current LoL player has hit skill cap. No better go ask any of them!

This IS the case with LoL, pro players literally hit boundaries in trying to actually prove they're above their competition. Not even just pro players we're talking random level 30's play the game nearly correct because their is no strategy the standard cookie-cutter play is proving to be the best play. Where's the spectation in that? Every game is the same because the best play is figured out. That's ludicrous that people have solved the game within two years of serious competition.

-Naturally, that's why M5 took 2 consecutive IEMs, not dropping a single map save one, in the first finals. 16-1. Naturally, everyone has the game 100% figured out if that can happen. Game clearly solved in 2 years of competition.
Cookie cutter builds is a LoL issue only? To me it sounds and looks, as I also spectate SC, that there's plenty of cookie cutter builds that lead to plain out boring games. Why would it be fine in Starcrafts, but not fine in LoL?

How can you show absurd displays of skill when the mechanical player with 300 minion kills ends the game with 18k gold earned while the player with 50 has 12k? Same with the player who is 24-2 with 18k gold to the 6-6 player with 14k.

-Are you implying being 50% up on gold vs your opponent is not a big deal? That's 2 full items you have over the other guy, you will simply roll him over if you fight. If you have that big of a lead, you will win the game unless you do a gigantic mistake. I think I've seen some big game throws in Starcraft too.

The advantages you gain are so minute that when one team in the lategame finally wins a teamfight you can actually just kill the towers and building in under a minute flat. Where the hell is the displaced skill there? In dota you can atleast have a buyback in case you lost the team fight, which in a lot of cases you DO lose the team fight because the heroes abilities are different.

-So you mean like a deathball vs deathball and the other ball wins the fight convincingly and then rolls on to wipe the other guy out. Or the team fights go pretty even, 4-4, 3-4 trades and the other team can maybe take an inhib before they have to back, or risk getting killed or losing baron right after when the other team rushes it? You just don't really make any sense

At this point you might argue that the intense skill displaced is during the team fight. That statement is ONLY true IF and IF every hero in this game is essentially balanced in such a way to the extent that any team of 5 heroes is perfectly equivalent to the other 5 heroes in that game. Essentially what I'm saying is that the game must have perfected balance towards team fights to truly prove if one team is better than the other, since obviously nearly all other factors in the game are of minute importance.

-all other factors in the game are not minute importance, what the heck? If one team clearly plays better early mid game, they can end the game without ever needing a big team fight, or they can force one where the other team has to respond but is in heavy heavy disagvantage. Please prove to me why every hero must be in full balance that random 5v5 is always equally balanced? Especially considering your notion of all other factors in the game having minute importance, which is fallacy.

And let me tell you bros, if it's even physically possible to balance a game in such a way then there is no way in a snowball's hell that League of Legends managed to do that.

-Seems like you have your personal agenda speaking here again, why would League not be able to achieve balance, what makes the game or its developers inherently worse than competitors to achieve such a balance? Doesn't seem very objective point of view to me.

If you're even attempting this logic you're just being emotionally clouded and close-mindedly arguing pointless irrational logic that simple isn't correct.

-Most amusing part is the lack of realization who is being close-minded and emotionally clouded-

TL;DR: LoL's design is way past the no return in casualness. LoL is not a competitive game and is ruining Esports.

-Yes, LoL is not a competetive game again because you say it isn't and it's ruining Esports, because you have the authority to claim that

On March 16 2012 00:37 Blasterion wrote:

6 points.

On March 16 2012 00:38 Zergneedsfood wrote:


Pssshh. You just got lucky. Probably hacked or something. Classic lack of professionalism these mahjong players. Bad for e-sports imo

On March 16 2012 00:42 ZoW wrote:

SEVEN POINTS

kong zi mo ftw mahjong4life

On March 16 2012 00:43 Blasterion wrote:

Dat goumopai yo.

On March 16 2012 00:44 Blasterion wrote:

Riichi desu WA~

On March 16 2012 00:06 Exempt. wrote:


Well because it's just your opinion whether or not there is something to argue about. If you don't feel it's worth arguing then the obvious decision is to not engage in argument. You flinging shit because some people want to argue doesn't make you any better than anyone else.

The constructive argument I placed was that I felt LoL was bad for esports as it didn't support competition that would last many years to come for reasons such as lack of differentiating skill and what not. My conclusive thesis was that because of this lack of competition LoL would just hurt esports in the long run. Not help it.

The problem is people didn't go with retorting my opinion. They shit talked it. All that needed to be done with this argument was
someone to post what juicyfruit said recently in his opinions as to why lol is worth competition and thus esports by talking about:

- How many competitors there are
- Potential for skill improvement (i.e. skill cap)
- Balance

if someone simply, academically brang those points up to disprove my opinions on lol as a competitive game I would of left the discussion more open-minded.

But no, that didn't happen, because people can't think in a logic fashion, they get too clouded by their emotions because of the fact that I was arguing something that they certainly didn't believe in.

Here's one to hoping public school systems slowly improve / college is stressed more in society so that some day a larger portion of the human race can participate in a scholarly debate that so many simply aren't prepared to do now.

On March 16 2012 00:45 Zergneedsfood wrote:


Don't worry guys. Rematch and we'll see who gets last laugh. >:D

On March 16 2012 00:36 Zergneedsfood wrote:


Wow. You did not just diss Pai Sho.

Pai Sho takes skill. Mahjong is so easy. Low skill cap, it's fun to play, but it's just horrible to watch. There also too many tiles but you only have like....three actions. You just take tiles and you flip them around.

Gosh. Terrible player. Go screw yourself and cry in a corner for killing e-sports.