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red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
March 14 2012 18:36 GMT
#841
On March 15 2012 03:33 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 03:32 red_b wrote:
On March 15 2012 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
In the LoL subforum on this very site (SHOCKING, I know, that some people like both SC2 AND LoL), we joke about topics like these and the misinformed SC2 players who consistently bash LoL on grounds like "it's too easy" and "it's not fun to watch."

Please, keep up the comedic gold, fellas, I'm all ears.


you guys in your little circle jerk keep telling each other that.

LoL is DotA with training wheels. the little kiddies feel so grown up when they play, it's pretty cute actually.

SC2 is like Starcraft for toddlers.


you're not going to hurt my feelings by attacking SC2, as Im not a particularly great fan of that game. I still prefer BW to SC2.
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
Gaga
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany433 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 18:37:48
March 14 2012 18:36 GMT
#842
On March 15 2012 03:29 Bladeorade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 03:22 Cel.erity wrote:
On March 15 2012 01:18 Josh111 wrote:
On March 14 2012 20:21 darkscream wrote:
The problem with free games like LoL is that they can lose popularity just as fast as they gained it. And while it's great that Riot puts so much money back into the tournament scene, they do that because they need to buy loyalty from their players - otherwise they will just switch to the next good free game, or even the next MOBA game. They know they need to build a strong foundation because DOTA2 and Blizz DOTA will hit them like an earthquake.

edit: not to mention, kotaku is gawker so their opinion on ESPORTS is about as valuable dirt.


LoL is very different then other free games before lol. LoL is not a game that can lose popularity fast, mostly because its so dam addicting and everchanging. I got the game in closed beta, have played over 2 thousand games over almost 3 years now and still play leagues on a somewhat regularly basis.

On March 14 2012 21:38 Mikey wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:17 Shikyo wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:13 Mikey wrote:
LOL, what. How does a casual game that has no competitive aspect become to the most competitive game in the most competitive country? If this is warn worthy so be it, but I just don't see how the lackluster title called LoL is at the top of eSports. I guess DotA2 will easily become the biggest eSport at this rate.

Like exactly this kind of comments make no sense. How does it have no competitive aspect? Of course it does, it even has multiple different ranked ladders, where you can actually see your position in comparison to the entire game population(not just a single league). Just because a game is fun to play doesn't mean that it isn't competitive. And again I'd like to point out that SC2 actually casualizes itself far more than LoL.


Ranked ladders? I have friends who played DotA/HoN who played LoL for 2 weeks and hit top 10 on the LoL 'competitive rankings' just to prove how big of a joke it is. The game is completely dumbed down for casual play and almost every competitive aspect of DotA was removed for the making of LoL. When are YOU and the rest of the LoL fan base going to realize Riot games is simply sucking up all the profits they can.


Mikey that is a complete lie. To even be able to get on the ranked ladder you have to be level 30 which takes far more then 2 weeks and then when you have reached level 30 your looking at atleast a 100 games (if you win more then twice as much as you lose) to get to a high place in the ladder..

lets say your friend never loses, or loses very rarely cause *lol is so easy* you are looking at 200 games (to get to 30 then to get to top 10), and lets say each game is 35 min (now im bad at math) but thats what 120 hours of gaming?

Your friend can play for 120 hours in 2 weeks?


I really don't think it takes that long to get to 30, I have seen people get smurfs there in under a week. It's like what, 100 games? That's 60 hours, less than most hardcore DotA players play per week. Some weeks I'll play a game for over 100 hours. It's not really far-fetched.

Anyway, it should be obvious to everybody that LoL is a less deep game than DotA. I am a DotA player but I do enjoy LoL, but every time I play it I find myself trying to do things that are not possible like deny and juke, and I need to remind myself to play far less actively since active play is not rewarded in LoL. Meanwhile, when I play LoL for awhile and switch back to DotA, I find myself forgetting how to do these simple things, and my last hitting suffers.

Riot is a great company and I wish them the best, I see this as a good sign for DotA since eventually DotA2 will overtake LoL in competitive popularity, and we'll be the ones getting all that $$$.

(Edit: misphrased, of course DotA is already far more popular competitively. I meant from a spectator standpoint.)

It takes that long to get to 30...if you don't even know you must not be 30 in LoL so when you are playing you are playing normals.

Playing actively in LoL is rewarded, harrassing and pushing lanes roaming and ganking especially from mid lane is all rewarded. You not even being 30 are just another hater who doesn't really play but plays a couple games and thinks they understand.



Also, LoL is much prettier than DotA. DotA is a fugly game that is hard on the eyes. LoL is vibrant and colorful and different spells and actions are much more easily distinguishable to the untrained eye.


WHAT ?

i love dota and got eye cancer when i tried LoL...

i guess you like what you play


Glaceau
Profile Joined February 2012
Wales333 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 18:38:00
March 14 2012 18:37 GMT
#843
On March 15 2012 03:32 red_b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
In the LoL subforum on this very site (SHOCKING, I know, that some people like both SC2 AND LoL), we joke about topics like these and the misinformed SC2 players who consistently bash LoL on grounds like "it's too easy" and "it's not fun to watch."

Please, keep up the comedic gold, fellas, I'm all ears.


you guys in your little circle jerk keep telling each other that.

LoL is DotA with training wheels. the little kiddies feel so grown up when they play, it's pretty cute actually.


the mad is strong in this one.

sorry that your shitty sc2 game sucks, brood war was 100x better and that garbage game takes no skill and has no viewership qualities. sorry to break it to you.

and if you're not defending sc2 then what the fuck are you defending rofl? this game is about sc2 vs LoL not bw vs lol. dumbass cant even read.
Cmon, swing it
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 14 2012 18:37 GMT
#844
On March 15 2012 03:29 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 03:24 Eppa! wrote:
On March 15 2012 03:17 StyLeD wrote:
On March 15 2012 03:15 Eppa! wrote:
LoL snowballs to hard. Ganking is to hard. Getting top 10% in soloque means jack shit. There is a huge gap between semipros and top level teams. People don't understand that rather than DotA the big hurdle is not in the beginning it is in the end.


Every point in your post manages to contradict one another and be wrong at the same time. Good job.

Why so

1 and 2 It snowballs hard because there is no great big equalizer aka ganking.
The rest i do not understand how it does not make sense to you.

DotA/HoN has 10x more snowballing than LoL...pebbles mid with 4 kills early game? have fucking fun getting insta gibbed once he gets pkey...LoL? only a few champs can snowball...and NOT as hard at all. Ziggs is prob the best IMO for mid, love my build with him. 3 rings, boots, then large rod. Q can 4 hit most squishies then, and ez as shit to farm.

Actually LoL snowballs harder. Once you have the mapcontrol, you'll never let it go and never lose a dragon/baron.
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FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
March 14 2012 18:38 GMT
#845
On March 14 2012 20:09 MethodSC wrote:
It truly is the age of casuals... =/


This....

User was temp banned for this post.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 18:39:06
March 14 2012 18:38 GMT
#846
On March 15 2012 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
In the LoL subforum on this very site (SHOCKING, I know, that some people like both SC2 AND LoL), we joke about topics like these and the misinformed SC2 players who consistently bash LoL on grounds like "it's too easy" and "it's not fun to watch."

Please, keep up the comedic gold, fellas, I'm all ears.

Hmmmm, what does "it's not fun to watch" have to do with "misinformed"? "it's not fun to watch" is entirely subjective and up to personal oppinion if you like it or not. I, personally, cannot stand to watch it (I freely admit to not having a clue about Lol or any other Moba game, so I won't presume to say I can judge if it's easy or not). But I am still happy for the Lol-guys, that's a big win for eSports
Get off my lawn, young punks
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
March 14 2012 18:39 GMT
#847
This is turning into a ban trap quite fast, so much bashing..
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vasculaR
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia791 Posts
March 14 2012 18:39 GMT
#848
On March 15 2012 03:29 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 03:27 vasculaR wrote:
On March 15 2012 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
In the LoL subforum on this very site (SHOCKING, I know, that some people like both SC2 AND LoL), we joke about topics like these and the misinformed SC2 players who consistently bash LoL on grounds like "it's too easy" and "it's not fun to watch."

Please, keep up the comedic gold, fellas, I'm all ears.


Understand that when the sensible folks say that LoL is easy.. we mean that LoL is in fact an easier game compared to SC/DotA. Thinking otherwise is simply not true. And this is coming from a current fan of LoL.


But here is the thing, just because the game is easy does not mean that it is noncompetitive. In fact, i doubt anyone would say a game like Chess or Poker is noncompetitive/easy but in terms of pre-set mechanical skills necessary to play the game they both require absolutely none...


Actually, I do find LoL competitive... but I feel that the play shown by the top professional teams pale in comparison with those shown by SC/DotA... but that could be attributed to the Korean SC / Chinese DotA training? Mmm
Song Ji Hyo hwaiting!
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 18:41:11
March 14 2012 18:39 GMT
#849
On March 15 2012 03:32 red_b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
In the LoL subforum on this very site (SHOCKING, I know, that some people like both SC2 AND LoL), we joke about topics like these and the misinformed SC2 players who consistently bash LoL on grounds like "it's too easy" and "it's not fun to watch."

Please, keep up the comedic gold, fellas, I'm all ears.


you guys in your little circle jerk keep telling each other that.

LoL is DotA with training wheels. the little kiddies feel so grown up when they play, it's pretty cute actually.


Hockey is much harder to play than Football or any other sport. Does the fact that you need to be able to skate and stick handle make it a better competitve sport than any other sport?

Ummm... no it doesn't.... And this is coming from someone who absolutely adores hockey in every way possible. OMG SOCCER SO MUCH EASIER TO PLAY THAN HOCKEY!!! THE WORLD FULL OF CASUALS!!!

Amirite?
Gaga
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany433 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 18:39:50
March 14 2012 18:39 GMT
#850
Can someone explain to someone who only plays Dota ...


what is so different between LoL/Dota ? except not being able to deny creeps in LoL (learned that in my only Lol game ^^)
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 14 2012 18:40 GMT
#851
On March 15 2012 03:39 Megaliskuu wrote:
This is turning into a ban trap quite fast, so much bashing..

except nobodys getting banned, from what i've seen. i dont know why mods havent even added a little caption thing at the top yet heh
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Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
March 14 2012 18:40 GMT
#852
This topic is nothing but people flaming LoL for being bad. Then the LoL players retort saying SC2 is easy. How the fuck has this not been closed after 43 pages of this?
"Practice, practice, practice. And when you're not practicing you should be practicing. It's the only way to get better. The only way." I run the Smix Fanclub!
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
March 14 2012 18:41 GMT
#853
LoL takes some getting used to to watch, it's quite a mess in team battles but there are exciting moments. At first I didn't enjoy watching it at all (thought it was awful) but it has grown on me. I hate how one sided almost all the games are though. There is rarely any excitement of "i don't know who's going to win" from what i've seen. I hate the 15+ minute farm fest at the begining but that's ok really, usually can be ganks and stuff.

Playing it is dead easy though, i know that there is a nice skill ceiling but it's really really easy to play. Which is the alure of it, at all play levels you can have good/bad games and as you get higher there are alot more things to learn/improve upon.

I'm hoping Dota2 picks up alot, there are so many things in DOTA that got removed from LoL to make it ALOT easier (gold loss on death, CC items that you can but, anti-cc items, on-use effects, denying creep exp, can't remember for sure but I think there were no wards in dota ethier so you had to have much better map awareness, creeps were stronger so you didn't just dive heros @ level 2-3 and kill them potentially...i dunno a ton more stuff i think)

See where the future goes, anything that promotes more esports tournaments is fine by me.
tl4life
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada247 Posts
March 14 2012 18:41 GMT
#854
LoL is so boring to watch and the games are always too long.
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jumbotroN
Profile Joined April 2010
Peru229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 18:41:36
March 14 2012 18:41 GMT
#855
lol at the edit
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
March 14 2012 18:42 GMT
#856
On March 15 2012 03:29 Bladeorade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 03:22 Cel.erity wrote:
On March 15 2012 01:18 Josh111 wrote:
On March 14 2012 20:21 darkscream wrote:
The problem with free games like LoL is that they can lose popularity just as fast as they gained it. And while it's great that Riot puts so much money back into the tournament scene, they do that because they need to buy loyalty from their players - otherwise they will just switch to the next good free game, or even the next MOBA game. They know they need to build a strong foundation because DOTA2 and Blizz DOTA will hit them like an earthquake.

edit: not to mention, kotaku is gawker so their opinion on ESPORTS is about as valuable dirt.


LoL is very different then other free games before lol. LoL is not a game that can lose popularity fast, mostly because its so dam addicting and everchanging. I got the game in closed beta, have played over 2 thousand games over almost 3 years now and still play leagues on a somewhat regularly basis.

On March 14 2012 21:38 Mikey wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:17 Shikyo wrote:
On March 14 2012 21:13 Mikey wrote:
LOL, what. How does a casual game that has no competitive aspect become to the most competitive game in the most competitive country? If this is warn worthy so be it, but I just don't see how the lackluster title called LoL is at the top of eSports. I guess DotA2 will easily become the biggest eSport at this rate.

Like exactly this kind of comments make no sense. How does it have no competitive aspect? Of course it does, it even has multiple different ranked ladders, where you can actually see your position in comparison to the entire game population(not just a single league). Just because a game is fun to play doesn't mean that it isn't competitive. And again I'd like to point out that SC2 actually casualizes itself far more than LoL.


Ranked ladders? I have friends who played DotA/HoN who played LoL for 2 weeks and hit top 10 on the LoL 'competitive rankings' just to prove how big of a joke it is. The game is completely dumbed down for casual play and almost every competitive aspect of DotA was removed for the making of LoL. When are YOU and the rest of the LoL fan base going to realize Riot games is simply sucking up all the profits they can.


Mikey that is a complete lie. To even be able to get on the ranked ladder you have to be level 30 which takes far more then 2 weeks and then when you have reached level 30 your looking at atleast a 100 games (if you win more then twice as much as you lose) to get to a high place in the ladder..

lets say your friend never loses, or loses very rarely cause *lol is so easy* you are looking at 200 games (to get to 30 then to get to top 10), and lets say each game is 35 min (now im bad at math) but thats what 120 hours of gaming?

Your friend can play for 120 hours in 2 weeks?


I really don't think it takes that long to get to 30, I have seen people get smurfs there in under a week. It's like what, 100 games? That's 60 hours, less than most hardcore DotA players play per week. Some weeks I'll play a game for over 100 hours. It's not really far-fetched.

Anyway, it should be obvious to everybody that LoL is a less deep game than DotA. I am a DotA player but I do enjoy LoL, but every time I play it I find myself trying to do things that are not possible like deny and juke, and I need to remind myself to play far less actively since active play is not rewarded in LoL. Meanwhile, when I play LoL for awhile and switch back to DotA, I find myself forgetting how to do these simple things, and my last hitting suffers.

Riot is a great company and I wish them the best, I see this as a good sign for DotA since eventually DotA2 will overtake LoL in competitive popularity, and we'll be the ones getting all that $$$.

(Edit: misphrased, of course DotA is already far more popular competitively. I meant from a spectator standpoint.)

It takes that long to get to 30...if you don't even know you must not be 30 in LoL so when you are playing you are playing normals.

Playing actively in LoL is rewarded, harrassing and pushing lanes roaming and ganking especially from mid lane is all rewarded. You not even being 30 are just another hater who doesn't really play but plays a couple games and thinks they understand.


You're an idiot. I was in LoL since the original beta and have played two accounts to 30 with 1200 games played. Sorry for not knowing the exact number of games required to hit 30, since I last did it over two years ago. Must mean I know nothing about the game.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 18:46:12
March 14 2012 18:43 GMT
#857
On March 15 2012 03:32 red_b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
In the LoL subforum on this very site (SHOCKING, I know, that some people like both SC2 AND LoL), we joke about topics like these and the misinformed SC2 players who consistently bash LoL on grounds like "it's too easy" and "it's not fun to watch."

Please, keep up the comedic gold, fellas, I'm all ears.


you guys in your little circle jerk keep telling each other that.

LoL is DotA with training wheels. the little kiddies feel so grown up when they play, it's pretty cute actually.


Oh goodie, your video game is arbitrarily harder than mine because you have to prioritize a different skillset, you are a big boy.

When's the last time you won a major tournament in Dota?

It's just awful when people lean on the inherent mechanical challenges of a game as if that justifies their own mediocrity in a game where your opponents are other humans.

"I'm average at a hard game, which definitely makes me really good at this supposedly easier game" is the mentality of gaming elitists who talk a lot about how hard their game is without ever getting close to the pinnacle it.
Glaceau
Profile Joined February 2012
Wales333 Posts
March 14 2012 18:44 GMT
#858
oh red_b is a LoL reject that got mad he couldnt break 1600, not much to see here.
Cmon, swing it
Bjoernzor
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden159 Posts
March 14 2012 18:44 GMT
#859
On March 15 2012 02:55 Mohdoo wrote:
I have a question for those of you who are saying LoL is such a low skill game:

Now, I really dislike LoL and vastly prefer DOTA2. However, how does it have such a thriving professional scene with really dominant teams if it is supposedly such a low skill game? Regardless of what people are saying, teams are able to distinguish themselves and rise above the others. How come?

Every time me and my friends play Generals: Zero Hour i win 100% of games, simply by being so much better than them at it. Now that is a game with a super ultra low skill ceiling, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible to be better than anyone else at it. A BW pro would play it for 15min and instantly be better than me probably, to me that screams a low skill ceiling if you can "master" the game so easily.
If you just gave every player 5 marines and a medivac the mechanical skill ceiling (not in the way we normally use the word) would be impossible for a human being. Still doesn't make it either competitive, fun to watch or suited for an E-sport.
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Gaga
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany433 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 18:47:39
March 14 2012 18:44 GMT
#860
On March 15 2012 03:41 Talack wrote:
I'm hoping Dota2 picks up alot, there are so many things in DOTA that got removed from LoL to make it ALOT easier (gold loss on death, CC items that you can but, anti-cc items, on-use effects, denying creep exp, can't remember for sure but I think there were no wards in dota ethier so you had to have much better map awareness, creeps were stronger so you didn't just dive heros @ level 2-3 and kill them potentially...i dunno a ton more stuff i think)



OFC dota has wards....


when i read the rest i can only cry ... i will never even think again of touching LoL.

and dito on Dota2 ...

and btw. all the LOL guys comparing DOTA/LOL with BW/Sc2 have probably never played dota...

it would be possible if Sc2 had no more upgrades, no more caster units and just minerals or something ....
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