EPTWhy do people in the US vote? - Page 16
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TunaBarrett
Sweden1045 Posts
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On March 02 2012 03:00 mastergriggy wrote: Most people don't vote. From what I hear the percentage gets lower and lower too. I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that most people don't prescribe to either of the two candidates policies, and therefore don't think voting is worth it or don't feel compelled to vote in the first place. And this will never change if people don't vote. In fact, it will only get worse. Instead of not voting at all, just don't be afraid to vote for a third party. The whole reason that the two-party system is so well entrenched is because its so well entrenched. Its a vicious cycle, and the only way to break it is to vote for who you actually want, not just who is the lesser of two evils. Ron Paul is getting my vote whether he wins the Republican nomination or not. | ||
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:27 Millitron wrote: Its a viscous cycle, muhahaha, if I called you "thick" I would feel like I was being overly vicious | ||
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BM_Rawbertson
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:27 Millitron wrote: And this will never change if people don't vote. In fact, it will only get worse. Instead of not voting at all, just don't be afraid to vote for a third party. The whole reason that the two-party system is so well entrenched is because its so well entrenched. Its a viscous cycle, and the only way to break it is to vote for who you actually want, not just who is the lesser of two evils. Ron Paul is getting my vote whether he wins the Republican nomination or not. and this is the exact reason i don't vote. what happens when you vote for someone not on the ballot? nothing. nothing at all happens. voting for ron paul if he doesn't win the nomination (he won't) is the same thing as voting for jesus, or my dad, you get the picture. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
Hell, international observation groups that were present in the US during I think the 2004 election cycle even commented how the US system was designed to make elections as non-competitive as possible. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
I think it's always been like this, it's just that people were seriously alot easier to dupe back then. Now most people have some awareness atleast. | ||
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ChibiSage
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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Kestralisk
United States6 Posts
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:44 Silidons wrote: and this is the exact reason i don't vote. what happens when you vote for someone not on the ballot? nothing. nothing at all happens. voting for ron paul if he doesn't win the nomination (he won't) is the same thing as voting for jesus, or my dad, you get the picture. But that's only so because everyone thinks like that. Like I said, its a vicious cycle, and the only way to break it is to fight it head on. It isn't the same thing as voting for someone random, because I wouldn't be the only one writing him in, and really, he isn't that far behind, which is why he's still in the race. It's absurd that the media pays zero attention to him, because he's certainly not out of the race. Since this is pretty off-topic, we can continue this discussion via PM's if you'd like. Also, I bet he WILL be on the ballot even if not for the repubs, since he's probably got the Libertarian nomination. That's beside the point though. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:44 Silidons wrote: and this is the exact reason i don't vote. what happens when you vote for someone not on the ballot? nothing. nothing at all happens. voting for ron paul if he doesn't win the nomination (he won't) is the same thing as voting for jesus, or my dad, you get the picture. It does if people like the OP actually get off their ass and do it. We've seen 3rd party candidates have some sucess before, but people are too fucking lazy nowadays. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
But, for the most part, I have given up. Not only does the power belong to the exceedingly wealthy, but I just don't like my option. No one is real anymore (if they ever were). No candidate wants to help you or the country. They push an agenda prescribed to them by whomever is paying them. In short, I hate all presidential candidates. | ||
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Malarkey817
United States163 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:03 Serthius wrote: If you don't vote, you don't get to moan about how your vote doesn't count. This would be a valid argument IF there were any real difference between what the electable candidates will do once they are put into office. All you have to do is look at the Obameter to see an example of how candidates either blatantly lie to their supporters, or change their mind as soon as they step into the oval office. So if my choice is between a dishonest Mr. X who says A, but does C as president, or a fickle Mr. Y who says B, but also does C as president, then I don't really have a choice. My vote doesn't count for anything substantial no matter who I vote for. It's like being able to choose what color handcuffs police get to use when they arrest you. It doesn't make a difference. You're still being tied up. To the OP, if you don't already listen to Freedomain Radio, I think you'll really like it. Stefan Molyneux hits the nail on the head in this video. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
The corporations are corrupt, evil and duplicitous. The candidates are corrupt, evil and duplicitous. The voters are often stupid, and the same can apply to a good bit of the above. That is why I do not vote. I simply have lost hope in my system. | ||
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-MoOsE-
United States236 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On March 02 2012 09:08 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: The government is corrupt, evil and duplicitous. The corporations are corrupt, evil and duplicitous. The candidates are corrupt, evil and duplicitous. The voters are often stupid, and the same can apply to a good bit of the above. That is why I do not vote. I simply have lost hope in my system. And yet the source of a lot of those problems are simply people not bothering to vote against them. It's called a cycle | ||
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:44 Silidons wrote: and this is the exact reason i don't vote. what happens when you vote for someone not on the ballot? nothing. nothing at all happens. voting for ron paul if he doesn't win the nomination (he won't) is the same thing as voting for jesus, or my dad, you get the picture. But there's also a lot to be said about the personal value of voting. Sure, your candidate might not get elected. But he might get enough votes to go more into the national spotlight, so next time more people might be aware. And you might begin a domino effect where eventually, two or three elections down the road, he will win. Just because someone might not be a "winner" in this election, doesn't mean that you're throwing your vote away. I voted Libertarian last election, and I will probably do so again. i feel like we're honestly gaining a lot of steam, and that we have some really good ideas. We probably won't win the presidency, but it hasn't always been democrats and republicans. The Whigs used to be around, and now they're gone, (giving rise to the republican party), etc. Change eventually does come around, you also have to think about how gradual change always is. There are many more older people who are already well entrenched in their beliefs and ways, who don't WANT to see the legalization of weed, who don't want to see gays getting married, who want things to be like they were 20 years ago. And then there's the younger generation that seems to be more okay with all of these things, and less afraid of the future. It's part of the condition of growing older, i suppose. But i hardly feel like voting for a 3rd party is throwing away your vote. | ||
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