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On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary.
It's really getting bad here, my brother is seriously considering getting a gun because of how often this shit happens and I have to remind him constantly, that he's stasticially way more likely to hurt a friend or family member with it than ever use it to defend himself.
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On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary.
don't be a jerk. every country is susceptible to terrorist attack. don't relish in that you weren't there when the last one happened. that's beyond rude.
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On August 04 2019 19:07 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary. don't be a jerk. every country is susceptible to terrorist attack. don't relish in that you weren't there when the last one happened. that's beyond rude.
But NOT every country has a mass shooting happen every day (Or every week, or even every month, depending on what metric you use to define mass shooting i guess). Or just random people constantly dying to guns without a mass shooting. In fact, only one country has this problem.
You need to realize that this is NOT normal in a first world country. And that you COULD do something about this, but choose not to. For reasons that people outside of the US find utterly absurd and insane when compared to the actual and real cost in human lives you choose to accept as unavoidable.
So he does have a point. And i agree with him. I, too, am happy to live in a country where i don't need to live in constant fear of every other person on the street possibly carrying a deadly weapon only designed to kill people with maximum efficiency, and randomly choosing that i should end living right now.
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the point is they know you are glad. to say so as your first remark about the shooting or about the deceased is the bit that's unnecessary because it's not a discussion point. it's almost at a level where you're rubbing it in.
it's like telling someone to stop living there. it's obvious enough from the surface.
we're 800 pages in, you'd think it'd been said a few hundred times by now.
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On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s.
A nice model for the range, but not very good for concealed carry.
Are you planning to take one of those week long + courses on how properly defend yourself using a gun, especially in mass shooting scenarios? Without at least that much training, you are probably more likely to shoot grandma trying to escape a shooter than add value. And that's not to mention the other risks of concealed carry which can bite you even when there is no active shooter.
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If there are classes to defend yourself in mass-shooting scenarios-then ofc I’ll attend it and take the proper steps to be certified to conceal carry.
I’ve been at the range half my life as a hobby. Never once did I think I would have to apply this skill set in a life or death situation. The weight of taking someone’s life is something unfathomable to the average Jim. But given recent events—circumstances don’t allow me that privilege anymore.
Whatever the case this is the reality of the situation: Hawaii last year or so someone was found perched up on a hotel room with rifles up the ying yang. What could’ve happened that day is always burned in the back of my mind.
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On August 04 2019 20:52 Emnjay808 wrote:
If there are classes to defend yourself in mass-shooting scenarios-then ofc I’ll attend it and take the proper steps to be certified to conceal carry.
I’ve been at the range half my life as a hobby. Never once did I think I would have to apply this skill set in a life or death situation. The weight of taking someone’s life is something unfathomable to the average Jim. But given recent events—circumstances don’t allow me that privilege anymore.
Whatever the case this is the reality of the situation: Hawaii last year or so someone was found perched up on a hotel room with rifles up the ying yang. What could’ve happened that day is always burned in the back of my mind.
As a former soldier (mandatory where I live) , I would advice against it , owning a personal gun is a lot of commitment , there is a better chance you will get shot yourself by someone who thinks YOU are going to kill HIM then you saving a mass shooting incident of a sharpshooter emptying clips from an hotel room window , realistically its just not going to happen.
Where I live we have army people going around the streets as a normal part of society so on the occurrence of mass shooting we always have a soldier near by (or a lot of the times) , but even then , few years back they stopped letting soldiers take their guns home (vacation is every 2-3 weeks for a weekend) due to massive theft of guns which circulated back to society and it was decided its better to not let them take those guns home (thus reducing the armed people in the streets).
TLDR - you getting a concealed weapon will probably cost your life instead of saving it.
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On August 04 2019 19:58 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 19:07 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary. don't be a jerk. every country is susceptible to terrorist attack. don't relish in that you weren't there when the last one happened. that's beyond rude. But NOT every country has a mass shooting happen every day (Or every week, or even every month, depending on what metric you use to define mass shooting i guess). Or just random people constantly dying to guns without a mass shooting. In fact, only one country has this problem. You need to realize that this is NOT normal in a first world country. And that you COULD do something about this, but choose not to. For reasons that people outside of the US find utterly absurd and insane when compared to the actual and real cost in human lives you choose to accept as unavoidable. So he does have a point. And i agree with him. I, too, am happy to live in a country where i don't need to live in constant fear of every other person on the street possibly carrying a deadly weapon only designed to kill people with maximum efficiency, and randomly choosing that i should end living right now.
i don't live in constant fear. at this point mass shootings are normalized to the point where one happens now, you just have to say, fuck, that sucks. i don't understand how gun regulation would deter these kinds of events. this is very normal for us. in a country of 320 million people, you are going to have a bad actor every now and again. the only thing that pisses me off is that he had body armor.
if this is not normal and avoidable, please say how this could be avoided. the guns are purchased legally after a waiting period.
as i've stated before, the soft solution is better and more available psychological care for all. being able to target one person who has become radicalized to the point where they would carry out a mass shooting is like looking for a needle in a haystack even with infinite surveillance.
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On August 04 2019 19:58 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 19:07 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary. don't be a jerk. every country is susceptible to terrorist attack. don't relish in that you weren't there when the last one happened. that's beyond rude. But NOT every country has a mass shooting happen every day (Or every week, or even every month, depending on what metric you use to define mass shooting i guess). Or just random people constantly dying to guns without a mass shooting. In fact, only one country has this problem. You need to realize that this is NOT normal in a first world country. And that you COULD do something about this, but choose not to. For reasons that people outside of the US find utterly absurd and insane when compared to the actual and real cost in human lives you choose to accept as unavoidable. So he does have a point. And i agree with him. I, too, am happy to live in a country where i don't need to live in constant fear of every other person on the street possibly carrying a deadly weapon only designed to kill people with maximum efficiency, and randomly choosing that i should end living right now.
a very large segment of the population feels the need to arm themselves against, like i said, ridiculous ideas of post-apocalyptic despotism and it's written in our bill of rights that people should carry arms that can counter this. will there be people that take that and murder civilians? yes. but more often than not, people who arm themselves are good actors.
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On August 04 2019 21:30 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 19:58 Simberto wrote:On August 04 2019 19:07 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary. don't be a jerk. every country is susceptible to terrorist attack. don't relish in that you weren't there when the last one happened. that's beyond rude. But NOT every country has a mass shooting happen every day (Or every week, or even every month, depending on what metric you use to define mass shooting i guess). Or just random people constantly dying to guns without a mass shooting. In fact, only one country has this problem. You need to realize that this is NOT normal in a first world country. And that you COULD do something about this, but choose not to. For reasons that people outside of the US find utterly absurd and insane when compared to the actual and real cost in human lives you choose to accept as unavoidable. So he does have a point. And i agree with him. I, too, am happy to live in a country where i don't need to live in constant fear of every other person on the street possibly carrying a deadly weapon only designed to kill people with maximum efficiency, and randomly choosing that i should end living right now. i don't live in constant fear. at this point mass shootings are normalized to the point where one happens now, you just have to say, fuck, that sucks. i don't understand how gun regulation would deter these kinds of events. this is very normal for us. in a country of 320 million people, you are going to have a bad actor every now and again. the only thing that pisses me off is that he had body armor. if this is not normal and avoidable, please say how this could be avoided. the guns are purchased legally after a waiting period. as i've stated before, the soft solution is better and more available psychological care for all. being able to target one person who has become radicalized to the point where they would carry out a mass shooting is like looking for a needle in a haystack even with infinite surveillance.
Short term, you can not do anything, because the guns already exist and are not going to randomly disappear.
In the long term, you need to go away from a general right to carry arms towards owning and using guns being a privilege.
Have classes on guns safety be mandatory for owning a gun.
Require a reason to own a gun, and have the gun fit that reason. Defense against wild animals, membership in a sports shooting club, hunting etc... are all legitimate reasons. Being employed and certified as a bodyguard or security person is also one, and might even allow for open carry.
Have every gun be registered, and have that registry be linked to a person and permit. If a crime is committed with that gun and it isn't registered as stolen, you know who to talk to first. If someone constantly gets their guns stolen, no longer give them permits to own guns.
No longer have it be legal to carry ready-to-use guns in public. No concealed carry, no open carry. The only situation in which you are allowed to have your gun in public outside of the specific legitimate reason you have to own that gun is for transport towards that purpose, and in that case it needs to be not loaded, and separate from ammunition.
Close all silly loopholes that allow people to acquire guns without the necessary paperwork.
Now, this is an end goal, not an instant solution. You obviously need to figure out how to deal with the already existing millions of guns, but if you implement the legal framework, and then have buyback programs, punishments for being caught with an unregistered gun and the ability to register your preexisting guns, you are going to eventually get the situation under control.
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Another mass shooting in Dayton Ohio.
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On August 04 2019 22:26 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Another mass shooting in Dayton Ohio.
Yep, 9 dead with around double that wounded, and the reporting suggests that police took down the shooter in under two minutes. No word on the shooter's identity or motive.
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On August 04 2019 19:07 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary. don't be a jerk. every country is susceptible to terrorist attack. don't relish in that you weren't there when the last one happened. that's beyond rude.
Nah, I don't think he is rude. The shootings are a cultural problem. A part of US culture is very violent. How do you otherwise explain all the wars and the gun craze?
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On August 04 2019 23:50 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 19:07 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary. don't be a jerk. every country is susceptible to terrorist attack. don't relish in that you weren't there when the last one happened. that's beyond rude. Nah, I don't think he is rude. The shootings are a cultural problem. A part of US culture is very violent. How do you otherwise explain all the wars and the gun craze?
guns is big business in the usa. similar to religion, it is a toy that you cannot take away from a lot of these babies. any regulations on any kind of arms even assault rifles will be met with lots of resistance and money politickin'. i agree with the above posts-- there need be more regulations on gun ownership and the caliber/amount of ammunition should be commensurate with one's 'need' to have such a weapon. but the guns are already out there and it will be near impossible to regulate guns that are already in citizens' hands. if you put into place all the above measures, new guns will be more expensive and there will be a huge black market for the guns that are already here. and there are hundreds of millions of guns already in the hands of civilians
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On August 04 2019 22:29 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 22:26 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Another mass shooting in Dayton Ohio. Yep, 9 dead with around double that wounded, and the reporting suggests that police took down the shooter in under two minutes. No word on the shooter's identity or motive.
yeah they used the term 'neutralized.' i had to explain to my gf that that is a euphemism 0.0
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On August 05 2019 00:17 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 22:29 farvacola wrote:On August 04 2019 22:26 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Another mass shooting in Dayton Ohio. Yep, 9 dead with around double that wounded, and the reporting suggests that police took down the shooter in under two minutes. No word on the shooter's identity or motive. yeah they used the term 'neutralized.' i had to explain to my gf that that is a euphemism 0.0
Though to be fair, you tend to be pretty neutral once you are dead.
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On August 05 2019 00:19 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2019 00:17 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 04 2019 22:29 farvacola wrote:On August 04 2019 22:26 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Another mass shooting in Dayton Ohio. Yep, 9 dead with around double that wounded, and the reporting suggests that police took down the shooter in under two minutes. No word on the shooter's identity or motive. yeah they used the term 'neutralized.' i had to explain to my gf that that is a euphemism 0.0 Though to be fair, you tend to be pretty neutral once you are dead.
tru tru
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On August 04 2019 22:21 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 21:30 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 04 2019 19:58 Simberto wrote:On August 04 2019 19:07 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary. don't be a jerk. every country is susceptible to terrorist attack. don't relish in that you weren't there when the last one happened. that's beyond rude. But NOT every country has a mass shooting happen every day (Or every week, or even every month, depending on what metric you use to define mass shooting i guess). Or just random people constantly dying to guns without a mass shooting. In fact, only one country has this problem. You need to realize that this is NOT normal in a first world country. And that you COULD do something about this, but choose not to. For reasons that people outside of the US find utterly absurd and insane when compared to the actual and real cost in human lives you choose to accept as unavoidable. So he does have a point. And i agree with him. I, too, am happy to live in a country where i don't need to live in constant fear of every other person on the street possibly carrying a deadly weapon only designed to kill people with maximum efficiency, and randomly choosing that i should end living right now. i don't live in constant fear. at this point mass shootings are normalized to the point where one happens now, you just have to say, fuck, that sucks. i don't understand how gun regulation would deter these kinds of events. this is very normal for us. in a country of 320 million people, you are going to have a bad actor every now and again. the only thing that pisses me off is that he had body armor. if this is not normal and avoidable, please say how this could be avoided. the guns are purchased legally after a waiting period. as i've stated before, the soft solution is better and more available psychological care for all. being able to target one person who has become radicalized to the point where they would carry out a mass shooting is like looking for a needle in a haystack even with infinite surveillance. Short term, you can not do anything, because the guns already exist and are not going to randomly disappear. In the long term, you need to go away from a general right to carry arms towards owning and using guns being a privilege. Have classes on guns safety be mandatory for owning a gun. Require a reason to own a gun, and have the gun fit that reason. Defense against wild animals, membership in a sports shooting club, hunting etc... are all legitimate reasons. Being employed and certified as a bodyguard or security person is also one, and might even allow for open carry. Have every gun be registered, and have that registry be linked to a person and permit. If a crime is committed with that gun and it isn't registered as stolen, you know who to talk to first. If someone constantly gets their guns stolen, no longer give them permits to own guns. No longer have it be legal to carry ready-to-use guns in public. No concealed carry, no open carry. The only situation in which you are allowed to have your gun in public outside of the specific legitimate reason you have to own that gun is for transport towards that purpose, and in that case it needs to be not loaded, and separate from ammunition. Close all silly loopholes that allow people to acquire guns without the necessary paperwork. Now, this is an end goal, not an instant solution. You obviously need to figure out how to deal with the already existing millions of guns, but if you implement the legal framework, and then have buyback programs, punishments for being caught with an unregistered gun and the ability to register your preexisting guns, you are going to eventually get the situation under control.
gun owners laugh at buyback programs. guns are indelible to the culture in some parts. that's why creating retroactive programs won't work as there are already hundreds of millions of guns on the street and in the hands of civilians. this is not something with clear-cut solutions. so that's why i'm advocating the soft approach of making psychological health services more available. will this curb all mass shootings? no. could it stop one? maybe. that's all i'm looking for at this point.
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On August 05 2019 00:13 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 23:50 Bleak wrote:On August 04 2019 19:07 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 04 2019 18:13 Alur wrote:On August 04 2019 17:47 Emnjay808 wrote:
Only a matter of time before this happens in my state.
Going to consult with my uncles what gun is best to carry with me. Always favored 1911s. I don't mean to condescend. But I'm glad I live somewhere where this line of thinking is unnecessary. don't be a jerk. every country is susceptible to terrorist attack. don't relish in that you weren't there when the last one happened. that's beyond rude. Nah, I don't think he is rude. The shootings are a cultural problem. A part of US culture is very violent. How do you otherwise explain all the wars and the gun craze? guns is big business in the usa. similar to religion, it is a toy that you cannot take away from a lot of these babies. any regulations on any kind of arms even assault rifles will be met with lots of resistance and money politickin'. i agree with the above posts-- there need be more regulations on gun ownership and the caliber/amount of ammunition should be commensurate with one's 'need' to have such a weapon. but the guns are already out there and it will be near impossible to regulate guns that are already in citizens' hands. if you put into place all the above measures, new guns will be more expensive and there will be a huge black market for the guns that are already here. and there are hundreds of millions of guns already in the hands of civilians
Just to add a few things. One Assult rifles are already heavily regulated (until you look into the decade's old regulations where they're basically like cars) the smaller the caliber of bullet the more dangerous for these mass shooter situations. The illegally made gun market in America is already pretty established especially on the west coast for hundred-year-old pistols that are still the best for their use. And on that, the real metric for mass shootings and gun deaths is the pistol. compared to the amount of black people that are killed every year from pistols its really not worth the effort to continue to crusade against just assault (new word of the month)'s.
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