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On January 11 2013 04:40 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bull shit. I agree, let me explain... 1. You know the home better than this attacker. 2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack. 3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout. 4. You know what potential weapons are around. Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps".
superbly put farvacola, that post was....
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On January 11 2013 04:42 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bullshit. thats because the people commiting home invasions usually just want stuff to sell and not to kill you, if they wanted u dead they would prolly do it outside ur home, or better yet from a long distance with a big gun where u wont see or hear a thing o.o edit: hell even a knife would do u in waiting in line for starbucks
Violent home invasions happen daily. Opinions on the most effective place to murder someone doesn't change that.
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On January 11 2013 04:48 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:42 AdamBanks wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bullshit. thats because the people commiting home invasions usually just want stuff to sell and not to kill you, if they wanted u dead they would prolly do it outside ur home, or better yet from a long distance with a big gun where u wont see or hear a thing o.o edit: hell even a knife would do u in waiting in line for starbucks Violent home invasions happen daily. Opinions on the most effective place to murder someone doesn't change that.
not where I live, couple times a year maybe, mostly with knives or other ridiclous shit (syringe for instance) . The guns (12 guage's 99%) are involved in dope robberies mostly and are very rare.
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On January 11 2013 04:51 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:48 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:42 AdamBanks wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bullshit. thats because the people commiting home invasions usually just want stuff to sell and not to kill you, if they wanted u dead they would prolly do it outside ur home, or better yet from a long distance with a big gun where u wont see or hear a thing o.o edit: hell even a knife would do u in waiting in line for starbucks Violent home invasions happen daily. Opinions on the most effective place to murder someone doesn't change that. not where I live, couple times a year maybe, mostly with knives or other ridiclous shit (syringe for instance) . The guns (12 guage's 99%) are involved in dope robberies mostly and are very rare.
I guess you're lucky to live in such an area. Unfortunately that's not the case in many parts of America.
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On January 11 2013 04:53 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:51 AdamBanks wrote:On January 11 2013 04:48 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:42 AdamBanks wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bullshit. thats because the people commiting home invasions usually just want stuff to sell and not to kill you, if they wanted u dead they would prolly do it outside ur home, or better yet from a long distance with a big gun where u wont see or hear a thing o.o edit: hell even a knife would do u in waiting in line for starbucks Violent home invasions happen daily. Opinions on the most effective place to murder someone doesn't change that. not where I live, couple times a year maybe, mostly with knives or other ridiclous shit (syringe for instance) . The guns (12 guage's 99%) are involved in dope robberies mostly and are very rare. I guess you're lucky to live in such an area. Unfortunately that's not the case in many parts of America.
I have trouble understanding it really, haven't lived with it.
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On January 11 2013 04:45 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:40 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bull shit. I agree, let me explain... 1. You know the home better than this attacker. 2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack. 3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout. 4. You know what potential weapons are around. Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps". superbly put farvacola, that post was....
What? You guys don't lay out bear traps before going to bed? Noobs...
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On January 11 2013 04:59 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:45 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2013 04:40 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bull shit. I agree, let me explain... 1. You know the home better than this attacker. 2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack. 3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout. 4. You know what potential weapons are around. Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps". superbly put farvacola, that post was.... What? You guys don't lay out bear traps before going to bed? Noobs...
i arm mine with mortars :D
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On January 11 2013 04:40 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bull shit. I agree, let me explain... 1. You know the home better than this attacker. 2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack. 3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout. 4. You know what potential weapons are around. Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps".
Ohokay,Sorry.
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On January 11 2013 04:59 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:45 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2013 04:40 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bull shit. I agree, let me explain... 1. You know the home better than this attacker. 2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack. 3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout. 4. You know what potential weapons are around. Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps". superbly put farvacola, that post was.... What? You guys don't lay out bear traps before going to bed? Noobs...
I don't like guns. There is a very likely chance that you will kill the person outright with just one shot with good aim. Personally, this is how I like to handle intruders.
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On January 11 2013 04:40 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bull shit. I agree, let me explain... 1. You know the home better than this attacker. 2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack. 3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout. 4. You know what potential weapons are around. Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps".
By "traps", he doesn't mean landmines or some stupid shit like that. He means you hear a window break and go to a tactically advantageous place in your home, like at the top of your stairs or down a hallway, and wait to confront the intruder on your terms.
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On January 11 2013 06:04 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:40 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bull shit. I agree, let me explain... 1. You know the home better than this attacker. 2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack. 3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout. 4. You know what potential weapons are around. Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps". By "traps", he doesn't mean landmines or some stupid shit like that. He means you hear a window break and go to a tactically advantageous place in your home, like at the top of your stairs or down a hallway, and wait to confront the intruder on your terms.
You mean like this?
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How about this for the usa.
Only women (preferably mothers) are allowed to own and carry guns.
This would combine both advantages to free guns and restricted guns.
You dont have the lunatics (99.9% is male somehow) getting guns easily annymore, and at the same time you have responsible people carrying guns to defend themselves and others if neccesary.
Ya its a wild idea but i kinda like it.
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People shouldn't just be allowed to own and carry guns, they should be required to do so.
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Why is it either/or? Traps AND guns work best. James Bond proved that in Skyfall.
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On January 11 2013 15:44 Rassy wrote:
How about this for the usa.
Only women (preferably mothers) are allowed to own and carry guns.
This would combine both advantages to free guns and restricted guns.
You dont have the lunatics (99.9% is male somehow) getting guns easily annymore, and at the same time you have responsible people carrying guns to defend themselves and others if neccesary.
Ya its a wild idea but i kinda like it.
I am pretty severely physically handicapped. If I don't have a gun, and someone attacks me, I'm pretty much hopeless. I am male, so your idea would leave me defenseless.
Even if I wasn't physically handicapped, I could still be attacked by someone bigger and tougher.
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On January 11 2013 05:03 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:59 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:45 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2013 04:40 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bull shit. I agree, let me explain... 1. You know the home better than this attacker. 2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack. 3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout. 4. You know what potential weapons are around. Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps". superbly put farvacola, that post was.... What? You guys don't lay out bear traps before going to bed? Noobs... i arm mine with mortars :D
Psh. Why trap a house when you can just live in a tank? Or maybe live in a tank, in a bunker, buried underground.
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On January 11 2013 04:53 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:51 AdamBanks wrote:On January 11 2013 04:48 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:42 AdamBanks wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:Some news making the rounds: LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.
Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.
The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.
"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.
Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.
Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.
In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.
"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
[...] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bullshit. thats because the people commiting home invasions usually just want stuff to sell and not to kill you, if they wanted u dead they would prolly do it outside ur home, or better yet from a long distance with a big gun where u wont see or hear a thing o.o edit: hell even a knife would do u in waiting in line for starbucks Violent home invasions happen daily. Opinions on the most effective place to murder someone doesn't change that. not where I live, couple times a year maybe, mostly with knives or other ridiclous shit (syringe for instance) . The guns (12 guage's 99%) are involved in dope robberies mostly and are very rare. I guess you're lucky to live in such an area. Unfortunately that's not the case in many parts of America.
Because you have guns everywhere. If you try to scare away a burglar with a gun of your own, someone will most likely get shot, and that someone could be you. Burglars are never out to harm you. They just wants your stuff. Let them have it. Then you let the cops and the insurance company deal with the rest.
If we're talking about murder and rape, then these things pretty much only happens between two ppl who knows eachother, and where there's some level of trust, so you wouldn't have your gun ready in such a situation, and it would be really easy for the perpetrator to make sure that you don't have it ready.
Anyway, that "crazy gun man" who was interviewed by Piers used the exact same "points" that I've been seeing in this thread by ppl who are pro guns. If he's crazy, then so are you.
On another note, in Södertälje, Sweden, which has one of our highest crime rates, there were recently a bank robbery, where the robber was shot by the police. Supposedly the bank robber used a fake gun (that looked similar to a real gun). The reason why he was shot was because he pointed it at the police. That's why civilians shouldn't have guns. It's pretty obvious that the bank robber never intended to shoot the police, because well he didn't even have a real gun. Now imagine that you try to defend yourself against a burglar, and you both have real guns. Someone will get shot.
Anyway, why didn't this specific bank robber, who was operating in one of the geographical crime centers of our country obtain a real gun?
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I don't understand why people are so squeamish. Don't kill the poor burglar, he's not out to kill you? Seriously? Why would you even care? That level of empathy for someone you don't even know, and whose first action against you is one of aggression, is simply unnatural and worthy of ridicule. This modern age is far too soft.
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I really don't know sometimes. Lets just say if i had a gun and someone came into my house at night and tried to beat me up or kill me or anything and i take the gun and shots him i get punished for it which is sad when i protect my home and myself. Carry gun outside is not acceptable at all and people got licenses because they hunt animals also and keeping their weapons at home so ;d
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On January 11 2013 18:25 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 05:03 AdamBanks wrote:On January 11 2013 04:59 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:45 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2013 04:40 farvacola wrote:On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong. The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not. It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used. Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope. Check out this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussiaDoubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand. If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself. False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bull shit. I agree, let me explain... 1. You know the home better than this attacker. 2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack. 3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout. 4. You know what potential weapons are around. Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps". superbly put farvacola, that post was.... What? You guys don't lay out bear traps before going to bed? Noobs... i arm mine with mortars :D Psh. Why trap a house when you can just live in a tank? Or maybe live in a tank, in a bunker, buried underground.
I would recommend a tank full of wather... The problem would drown itself...
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