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Rhino85
Profile Joined February 2011
United States90 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 01:58:05
January 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#6841
[image loading]

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Which sign is more effective?

EDIT: Smith and Wesson is a gun manufacturer in case there happen to be low information readers contributing to this thread.
The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his.
Lockitupv2
Profile Joined March 2012
United States496 Posts
January 10 2013 02:04 GMT
#6842
On January 10 2013 10:52 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 10:49 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Here is the UCR

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

Crime has taken a HUGE dive over the past 20 years and is still going. There is no reason to change anything.


Yea well, mass shootings have taken a climb. I believe that's what the latest gun control debates all pertain to, keeping guns away from psychopaths and limiting the amount of damage they can do.


While yes its been a bad year, every country has its people who crack. The more people, the more you will have. Murder rate has dropped but coverage of shootings have increased drastically. psychologists have repeated time and time again, the more you hype it up, the more likely it will happen again.

That's right folks, I definitely heard an ethnic twang in that voice, so everyone put your guesses on the screen. It's everyone's favorite game, it's Guess the Minority!!!
trullis
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden23 Posts
January 10 2013 06:59 GMT
#6843
On January 10 2013 10:55 Rhino85 wrote:
[image loading]

[image loading]

Which sign is more effective?

EDIT: Smith and Wesson is a gun manufacturer in case there happen to be low information readers contributing to this thread.


So why would you need the gun? The sign gives all the benefits of a gun, and has very few, or none, drawbacks!
tokicheese
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada739 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 09:31:49
January 10 2013 09:30 GMT
#6844
On January 10 2013 11:04 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 10:52 heliusx wrote:
On January 10 2013 10:49 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Here is the UCR

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

Crime has taken a HUGE dive over the past 20 years and is still going. There is no reason to change anything.


Yea well, mass shootings have taken a climb. I believe that's what the latest gun control debates all pertain to, keeping guns away from psychopaths and limiting the amount of damage they can do.


While yes its been a bad year, every country has its people who crack. The more people, the more you will have. Murder rate has dropped but coverage of shootings have increased drastically. psychologists have repeated time and time again, the more you hype it up, the more likely it will happen again.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4#t=1m43s

This x10000.

The media plays a massive part in the spike in rampage shootings. Like someone said earlier some kid who would just off himself in the basement sees a shooting and the resulting disgusting media circle jerk around it and then carries out a copy cat shooting. There is a sick appeal to being immortalized for a horrific act because it is so easy. If you go on places like /b/ people constantly talk about "breaking cho's high score" and other really disgusting things like that.

There's many news networks that don't report on suicides because it leads to more copy cat suicides. For some reason all human decency evaporates at school shootings and the media has 24/7 coverage, shoving cameras in grieving relatives faces and recently trying to interview fucking kids minutes after the shooting.

The spree killings have lots of small issues in them but the easiest to attack is guns so thats all people talk about until they jump onto the next bandwagon.
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
January 10 2013 12:26 GMT
#6845
On January 10 2013 10:49 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Here is the UCR

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

Crime has taken a HUGE dive over the past 20 years and is still going.


There's a LONG way to go before the homicide rate reaches a similar amount to places like the UK, France and Germany...restricting gun ownership would probably not make a huge difference but almost certainly would affect the ability of addled teens and young men to get their hands on assault rifles or uzis and go on rampages...
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
January 10 2013 15:18 GMT
#6846
Well it looks like all this uproar over new gun regulations has resulted in a run on magazines. I can't find any AK magazines other than shitty 75-round drums. Who the fuck wants a god damn heavy drum that you have to wind up hanging from their rifle; moreover it doesn't even fit all AK rifles; what the fuck?

Those drums were like $60-70 before the recent rampage, they were selling for $225 at one point, now down to $125. I wouldn't even take one for free.

Right after the massacre, regular 30-round magazines were normal price of $9-13. Now I can't find ANY magazines, not even 10-round ones.
Turn off the radio
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 16:03:13
January 10 2013 16:02 GMT
#6847
This is a video of Piers Morgan, a CNN News Journalist which specializes in gun control debates. In the video he talks with Alex Jones who is pro gun and thinks guns are not the reason why people kill each other. Alex is also the person who wants congress to deport Piers from the USA, the reason he gives is that Piers is attacking the fundamental rights of the USA whith his "anti-gun propaganda".

Part1:


Part2:
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14069 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 16:08:39
January 10 2013 16:06 GMT
#6848
Please don't watch those youtubes Piers morgan clearly brought a crazy on his show to discredit the other side. Its the lowest level of showmanship and his raitings being the worst cnn has seen in 21 years is a testimate to that.

Theres a reason why they exiled peirs morgan to the usa and its the same reason why we want to send him back.

On January 11 2013 00:18 Zealotdriver wrote:
Well it looks like all this uproar over new gun regulations has resulted in a run on magazines. I can't find any AK magazines other than shitty 75-round drums. Who the fuck wants a god damn heavy drum that you have to wind up hanging from their rifle; moreover it doesn't even fit all AK rifles; what the fuck?

Those drums were like $60-70 before the recent rampage, they were selling for $225 at one point, now down to $125. I wouldn't even take one for free.

Right after the massacre, regular 30-round magazines were normal price of $9-13. Now I can't find ANY magazines, not even 10-round ones.

Why do you think the NRA stayed silent for so long? Everyone whos anyone knows that theres always a run on guns when theres a thread of legislation on them. Every time obama got elected and now again after each mass shooting everyone sells out their stocks and makes bank to send to NRA to continue the cycle.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 18:34:04
January 10 2013 18:24 GMT
#6849
Some news making the rounds:

LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

[...]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 18:43:33
January 10 2013 18:41 GMT
#6850
On January 10 2013 21:26 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 10:49 Lockitupv2 wrote:
Here is the UCR

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

Crime has taken a HUGE dive over the past 20 years and is still going.


There's a LONG way to go before the homicide rate reaches a similar amount to places like the UK, France and Germany...restricting gun ownership would probably not make a huge difference but almost certainly would affect the ability of addled teens and young men to get their hands on assault rifles or uzis and go on rampages...


I want to believe that coming regulations would lower the chances of crazy guys getting weapons but the I just don't think it will do much. Cho was pretty much the only one I can think of who should have been denied a gun if his state would have kept legit records of mentally ill people for gun dealers. No one uses automatic weapons in these sprees either, they are an expensive and time consuming process to acquire. Banning semi auto rifles with certain features won't do anything either. When the new ban comes it will restrict things like flash supperessor, bayonet lugs, foregrips, and high cap mags. It won't change a thing because they will just get around the law to make new gen rifles with the same functionality.

Pistols are also just as effective and easier to conceal but the laws won't effect them. As for mental heslth, how do we find these people before they get a gun? Many people can't afford to send their troubled kid to get help and just ignore it. Plus most of these guys appear normal until they snap. What are your ideas beyond meaningless feature and hi cap bans?


As for Integra, you should be ashamed for using a video of a crazy man like that. You would have to be stupid to think he is represenstive of gun owners. The guy literally believes lizard men live in the center of the earth. And Morgan is nothing.more than a sensationalist "journalist", he's not a good debater, and he just bounces around from sensational headline to sensationalist headline.

This was a big post for a phone, ignore grammar lol

Edit. Forgot to mention parents need lock up their guns because a lot of school shooters steal mom and dads guns.
dude bro.
PROPrototype
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada36 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 19:32:51
January 10 2013 18:58 GMT
#6851
Time to finish this! mods, prepare to close this thread!

EDIT: Poll removed for backseat moderating, thx for the tip...



User was warned for this post
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the PRO is eequivelant to the cake!
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 19:14:27
January 10 2013 19:13 GMT
#6852
On January 11 2013 01:02 Integra wrote:
This is a video of Piers Morgan, a CNN News Journalist which specializes in gun control debates. In the video he talks with Alex Jones who is pro gun and thinks guns are not the reason why people kill each other. Alex is also the person who wants congress to deport Piers from the USA, the reason he gives is that Piers is attacking the fundamental rights of the USA whith his "anti-gun propaganda".
[Videos removed to save space]

Alex Jones is a pretty poor representative of gun-owners. Mostly, his tone is off. If you listen to most of his points, they're reasonable. Piers points to the recent mass shootings as evidence of why guns should be restricted, but he completely ignores the fact that mass shootings are extremely rare.

Alex IS a little crazy, and has a bad habit of ruining a bunch of good points by following up with talking about mind-control drugs in the water, but that doesn't make Piers right. If you've seen Piers interview the head of the NRA, you know Piers can be just as loud and stupid.
Who called in the fleet?
TS-Rupbar
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Sweden1089 Posts
January 10 2013 19:14 GMT
#6853
On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:
Some news making the rounds:

Show nested quote +
LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

[...]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video


I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 19:24:15
January 10 2013 19:20 GMT
#6854
On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:
Some news making the rounds:

LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

[...]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video


I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not.


It would be very unwise to assume someone breaking into your home and them coming to look for you in the bedrooms where you hide doesn't plan on causing you grievous harm. I don't understand how some people actually try to convince others that they would let someone kill them because they don't want to shoot someone. If you aren't willing to kill a rapist/murderer to protect your children maybe you shouldn't have children.

If you want to be a victim in the spirit of not harming people who perform violent home invasions, that's your choice. I just don't believe that someone can actually rationalize that.
dude bro.
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
January 10 2013 19:25 GMT
#6855
On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:
Some news making the rounds:

LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

[...]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video


I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not.


It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used.

Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope.

Check out this story:
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussia

Doubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand.

If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself.
PROPrototype
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada36 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 19:28:08
January 10 2013 19:26 GMT
#6856
On January 11 2013 04:20 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:
On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:
Some news making the rounds:

LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

[...]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video


I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not.


It would be very unwise to assume someone breaking into your home and them coming to look for you in the bedrooms where you hide doesn't plan on causing you grievous harm. I don't understand how some people actually try to convince others that they would let someone kill them because they don't want to shoot someone. If you aren't willing to kill a rapist/murderer to protect your children maybe you shouldn't have children.

If you want to be a victim in the spirit of not harming people who perform violent home invasions, that's your choice. I just don't believe that someone can actually rationalize that.

What makes it even more strange is his mood is
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heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
January 10 2013 19:28 GMT
#6857
On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:
On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:
Some news making the rounds:

LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

[...]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video


I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not.


It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used.

Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope.

Check out this story:
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussia

Doubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand.

If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself.


False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bullshit.
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PROPrototype
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada36 Posts
January 10 2013 19:35 GMT
#6858
On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:
On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:
On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:
Some news making the rounds:

LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

[...]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video


I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not.


It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used.

Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope.

Check out this story:
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussia

Doubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand.

If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself.


False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bullshit.


I agree, let me explain...
1. You know the home better than this attacker.
2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack.
3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout.
4. You know what potential weapons are around.
the PRO is eequivelant to the cake!
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18843 Posts
January 10 2013 19:40 GMT
#6859
On January 11 2013 04:35 PROPrototype wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:
On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:
On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:
On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:
Some news making the rounds:

LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

[...]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video


I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not.


It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used.

Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope.

Check out this story:
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussia

Doubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand.

If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself.


False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bullshit.


I agree, let me explain...
1. You know the home better than this attacker.
2. You can set traps if you catch wind of the imcoming attack.
3. If 2. applies, you can call the cops and request a stakeout.
4. You know what potential weapons are around.

Set traps and request a police stakeout? What sort of insane world do you live in which those are viable responses to house robbery? Practically no one gets wind of their home being targeted before the fact, and you better hope to God a family member doesn't come over late at night with some cake and conversation, only to stumble into one of your "traps".
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AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 19:44:53
January 10 2013 19:42 GMT
#6860
On January 11 2013 04:28 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 04:25 Adila wrote:
On January 11 2013 04:14 TS-Rupbar wrote:
On January 11 2013 03:24 liberal wrote:
Some news making the rounds:

LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

[...]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563187/ga-mom-who-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-rights-advocates/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-911-tapes-18168262 <---- tapes and video


I believe that it's better to call 911 instead of your husband. Furthermore, she kept shooting even though he was probably already incapacitated. Lastly: "Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said." Of course, the mother couldn't know how the robber would act, but I can only imagine that this is how most encounters with robbers turn out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The situation is complicated because she had children with her, but I would honestly rather be robbed and/or assaulted myself than shoot/kill someone else, no matter if they are a robber or not.


It's also a stupid argument for the NRA to use. The Supreme Court has already said handguns are perfectly legal for home self-defense, which is what the woman used.

Did she need assault rifles and high capacity magazines to defend herself? Nope.

Check out this story:
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussia

Doubt this guy didn't have multiple guns on hand.

If an armed attacker wants to kill you, you will get shot before you pull out your gun to defend yourself.


False, in the case of home invasions you have a massive advantage. Of course being drawn on at close range in the street is a different story, but don't try to make it seem like guns are not effective in self defense because that's bullshit.


thats because the people commiting home invasions usually just want stuff to sell and not to kill you, if they wanted u dead they would prolly do it outside ur home, or better yet from a long distance with a big gun where u wont see or hear a thing o.o

edit: hell even a knife would do u in waiting in line for starbucks
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