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On December 25 2012 12:02 Kihshra wrote:
Here are a few things I wanna say about this topic :
First of all, to people (mostly european ones) who are saying "there should be no guns at all in US", well that's utopia, for now and for long. You can't make such a radical change in US for many reasons. The two main reasons why you can't do that are the fact that you can't remove such an important amount of weapons just like that, and the fact that guns are part of american culture and history, which is why american people are so attached to their beloved 2nd amendment and will never give their guns back (just read a few answers from american people on this thread and you'll see). So, if you wan't such a huge change to happen, you have to do it really slowly and beware not to hurt a vast part of the people.
I've also read a lot of pro-guns arguments, and some seem very dumb to me :
1) If somebody really wants to acquire a gun in order to commit a crime, he will get it (in a state with strict gun regulation). So people should be allowed to get weapons on their own in order to be able to stop this person to commit the crime he intended to.
-> The first part is true to some extent. Bank robbers and people like that will always find a way to get the guns they need. But it would be very hard to "normal" people going crazy (you know, the kind of person responsible for the shootings in highschools and so on) to acquire a gun. Moreover, if having a gun really helped in situations like that (I mean ordinary citizens owning guns), it would be common knowledge, and there would be plenty of articles explaining how an ordinary citizen stopped a robbery/a shooting/... because he had a gun and used it (people love that kind of stories, so if you hardly hear about it, it doesnt exist). Don't be blind, those events are really rare... Owning a gun in that kind of situation never really helps, and can get you killed pretty fast.
2) If you own a gun and get killed, you would have be killed also if you had no gun.
-> Of course that statement can be true depending on the situation, but it's a wrong one most of the time. Except serial killers and people going crazy, people don't want to shoot other people if they can avoid it. But owning a gun makes you dangerous to people who would like to attack you (to rob you for example). Now think about it : do you really think that kind of people would take the chance to leave you alive with an appropriate way to kill/hurt them ? No fucking way. There is a reason why people owning guns are more likely to get shot.
In response to your first point, the 3 most recent shootings that come to mind (Aurora, Newtown, and Virginia Tech), gun laws would have been effective in maybe only stopping one of them (Newtown). For the Aurora shooting, the killer used legally purchased weapons, but when police eventually searched his apartment, they found illegally purchased automatic assault rifles along with a large amount of working explosives. In the case of Virginia Tech, the shooter had a long history of mental disorders and should have never been able to get his hands on a firearm in the first place.
Also in the case of guns stopping massacre, those stories pop up as well. They just never get anywhere near the amount of media attention. Did you know that about a week or two before Newtown that a person with a concealed carry permit probably stopped a massacre from happening in an Oregon shopping mall? What about the incident at a Colorado church a couple years back? The media doesn't hype these events up because there's no real profit or controversy to stir up. It's just like every other feel good story you read on the news. You celebrate it for two days and then you forget about it.
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It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence.
Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up.
Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that.
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On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that.
so does Drano
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On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence.
No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American.
Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up.
If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids.
Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is...
Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that.
Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives.
This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance.
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On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Show nested quote +Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Show nested quote +Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance.
I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is?
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I think the worst part now is that every murder in the US is being reported on... like this shit is BRAND New.
Local news in every part of the country, for countless years, have murders and rape/killing. People stop watching the news because this is what you would see locally. I hate to sound so rude but these basic murders DO NOT deserve national publicity. The firefighters and of course major ones DO deserve some publicity.
BUT CMON... Murders happen non stop, and now the media is taking advantage of it and displaying them nationally. Secret agenda 
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On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is?
It's the right to attempt to defend yourself. It's not about saving lives per se, it's more about being allowed to stand up for yourself.
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On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is?
um... ever hear of hunting? on a side not, that youtube ad of all those hollywood actors bitching need to piss off. every single one of them has been in some form of mindless action movie which glorifies violence.
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On December 25 2012 13:28 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is? It's the right to attempt to defend yourself. It's not about saving lives per se, it's more about being allowed to stand up for yourself.
How are saving lives by possessing a gun and defending yourself different?
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On December 25 2012 13:28 Pufftrees wrote:I think the worst part now is that every murder in the US is being reported on... like this shit is BRAND New. Local news in every part of the country, for countless years, have murders and rape/killing. People stop watching the news because this is what you would see locally. I hate to sound so rude but these basic murders DO NOT deserve national publicity. The firefighters and of course major ones DO deserve some publicity. BUT CMON... Murders happen non stop, and now the media is taking advantage of it and displaying them nationally. Secret agenda
very much agree with this. the national media has an obvious agenda. meet the press the other day with the NRA head was sooooooo biased.
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On December 25 2012 13:28 WniO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is? um... ever hear of hunting? on a side not, that youtube ad of all those hollywood actors bitching need to piss off. every single one of them has been in some form of mindless action movie which glorifies violence.
So hunting >> the thousands of gun related deaths each year?
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On December 25 2012 13:29 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:28 Pufftrees wrote:I think the worst part now is that every murder in the US is being reported on... like this shit is BRAND New. Local news in every part of the country, for countless years, have murders and rape/killing. People stop watching the news because this is what you would see locally. I hate to sound so rude but these basic murders DO NOT deserve national publicity. The firefighters and of course major ones DO deserve some publicity. BUT CMON... Murders happen non stop, and now the media is taking advantage of it and displaying them nationally. Secret agenda very much agree with this. the national media has an obvious agenda. meet the press the other day with the NRA head was sooooooo biased.
An obvious agenda to have less people violently killed? Citizens being killed is not news worthy?
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On December 25 2012 13:30 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:28 WniO wrote:On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is? um... ever hear of hunting? on a side not, that youtube ad of all those hollywood actors bitching need to piss off. every single one of them has been in some form of mindless action movie which glorifies violence. So hunting >> the thousands of gun related deaths each year?
no, the vast majority of gun owners have guns ... for hunting. do we need stricter laws though ... of course.
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On December 25 2012 13:30 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:28 WniO wrote:On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is? um... ever hear of hunting? on a side not, that youtube ad of all those hollywood actors bitching need to piss off. every single one of them has been in some form of mindless action movie which glorifies violence. So hunting >> the thousands of gun related deaths each year?
Hunting, aside from being a way of life for many Americans (not me), is also a very important tool for controlling animal populations. State/local government do a great job in many places of keeping the ecosystem in check despite all the major predators being driven away by humans long ago.
Regardless, it's not really making a good point to say:
<argument for hunting> >> gun-deaths ????
You can make that same argument with lots of things that are not being argued about constantly.
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On December 25 2012 13:33 WniO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:30 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:28 WniO wrote:On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is? um... ever hear of hunting? on a side not, that youtube ad of all those hollywood actors bitching need to piss off. every single one of them has been in some form of mindless action movie which glorifies violence. So hunting >> the thousands of gun related deaths each year? no, the vast majority of gun owners have guns ... for hunting. do we need stricter laws though ... of course.
It sounds like you're telling me that the right of 10000000 people to hunt is greater than the right to live for however many thousand people get killed by guns each year.
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On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is?
The point of gun ownership is indeed defense, but not self-defense. The whole point is to maintain your ability to defend your rights. An unarmed populace is a helpless populace.
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. "
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. "
-All three were said by Thomas Jefferson
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On December 25 2012 13:35 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:33 WniO wrote:On December 25 2012 13:30 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:28 WniO wrote:On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is? um... ever hear of hunting? on a side not, that youtube ad of all those hollywood actors bitching need to piss off. every single one of them has been in some form of mindless action movie which glorifies violence. So hunting >> the thousands of gun related deaths each year? no, the vast majority of gun owners have guns ... for hunting. do we need stricter laws though ... of course. It sounds like you're telling me that the right of 10000000 people to hunt is greater than the right to live for however many thousand people get killed by guns each year.
you need to stop arguing and do something productive
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On December 25 2012 13:35 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is? The point of gun ownership is indeed defense, but not self-defense. The whole point is to maintain your ability to defend your rights. An unarmed populace is a helpless populace. "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. " "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. " -All three were said by Thomas Jefferson
A last resort to protect yourself from tyranny of the government. Two thoughts:
1 - This has been said 10000 times, but I think its pretty obvious that this quote is meant to specifically describe the situation with Britain in the 18th century.
2 - Everyone has thoughts on what tyranny is. I think pro-life and and not allowing gays to get married is tyranny. Am I justified in using deadly force to defend my thoughts?
What is the point of having laws and government if anytime I feel like they're tyrannical I can just start blasting?
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On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Show nested quote +Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Show nested quote +Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance.
You're comparing the misuse of something (a car and alcohol) to something serving its DESIGNED purpose, taking life.
The consumption of alcohol should probably have more stringent laws anyways, especially regarding public consumption. Maybe something along the lines of making breathalysers in cars mandatory for people that want to consume alcohol. But that's another topic.
Edit: My main point though is what the mentality of many gun owners seem to be. Owning a gun should be seen as a privilege, not a right. I don't see how anyone can argue against banning all semi-autos. You don't need more than a six shooter to defend yourself in your home, and you don't need more than a bolt action rifle to go hunting.
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On December 25 2012 13:38 WniO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:35 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:33 WniO wrote:On December 25 2012 13:30 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:28 WniO wrote:On December 25 2012 13:23 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On December 25 2012 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 25 2012 12:32 foxmeep wrote:
It's funny that every self-righteous gun toter in this thread is from the US. It is exactly why the US is the most fked up when it comes to gun violence. No, they are not all American. There might be more Americans because this is largely an American forum, and most of the senseless attacks are directed towards Americans. But they are not all American. Seriously, you think your right to a gun is more important than the lives of innocent children. That's just messed up. If someone with a car ran down some children, no one would ask whether driving was more important than innocent children. People also didn't ask that question of Norway after Breivik shot dozens of kids. Is the right to drink alcohol more important than the lives of 75,000 Americans, some of them innocent children killed in drunk driving accidents? Yes, it is... Edit: Guns take more lives than they save, I don't think any sane person would argue that. Alcohol takes more lives than it saves. So what? The primary argument in favor of gun ownership is not that it saves lives. This is where the arguments change again. I'm not getting on the merry go round of changing argument points here. I am responding to only these horrible arguments. Thanks in advance. I was under the impression that the #1 argument for gun ownership was that you could defend yourself, aka save lives. If that's not it, can you tell me what it is? um... ever hear of hunting? on a side not, that youtube ad of all those hollywood actors bitching need to piss off. every single one of them has been in some form of mindless action movie which glorifies violence. So hunting >> the thousands of gun related deaths each year? no, the vast majority of gun owners have guns ... for hunting. do we need stricter laws though ... of course. It sounds like you're telling me that the right of 10000000 people to hunt is greater than the right to live for however many thousand people get killed by guns each year. you need to stop arguing and do something productive
You think the right to hunt outweighs the lives of thousands of people.
EDIT: I've been hunting for 16 years.
EDIT 2: Would you agree with handguns being banned?
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