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Fealthas
Profile Joined May 2011
607 Posts
February 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#121
Its a publicity stunt for the knife company.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
February 02 2012 21:57 GMT
#122
Would anyone really protest if we just decided to give her a choice between euthenization or being exiled to a deserted island?
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 21:59:56
February 02 2012 21:57 GMT
#123
On February 03 2012 06:43 thOr6136 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 06:36 Myles wrote:
[OT: The girl clearly has some issues. Millions of kids around the world grow up with shitty upbringing and don't turn out like that.


It's called the butterfly effect "In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions; where a small change at one place in a nonlinear system can result in large differences to a later state." Read more about it if you find it interesting .


I'm not sure why you are associating this with the butterfly effect.
Let's say the bus is delayed 5 minutes, that might mean someone gets run over by the bus - however if you apply this to Sharon Carr's situation, I don't see how the fact that her mother gets home late from work one day or that the bathroom smells funny is gonna trigger something in her brain making her a ruthless killing machine.
To trigger something like this I would like to think something HUGE has to happen in her life OR that she has some very distinct brain malfunctions.

I am very interested in seeing how you want to apply the butterfly effect to this case though.

Edit: Fail quote.
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AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
February 02 2012 21:58 GMT
#124
I blame video games. Everything IS the fault of video games, is it not?

All the same, yes, fucked up child. There really isn't any rationalizing this, this isn't nurture, you'd HAVE to be born like this.
Zvenn3n
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden1196 Posts
February 02 2012 21:58 GMT
#125
On February 03 2012 06:57 Drowsy wrote:
Would anyone really protest if we just decided to give her a choice between euthenization or being exiled to a deserted island?

One problem though: She might (though not likely) escape from the island, and cause havoc again.

OT, I think this is highly disturbing, things like these kind of makes me lose faith in humanity.
LayZRR
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany449 Posts
February 02 2012 21:59 GMT
#126
Those descriptions from her and her quotes sound like words of a older mind...correct me if am wrong.
But it doesnt sound as it comes from a 12 year old mind...very disturbing.
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
February 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#127
What ended up happening to her?
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Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
February 02 2012 22:03 GMT
#128
She has to be a born psychopath. Nobody grows up and experiences something (at that young of an age) that could make all their empathy just disappear. Plus when you factor in that she is cruel to animals, is turned on by acts of violence, and displays heavily irrational behavior it just kinda gives it away.
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
February 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#129
On February 03 2012 04:53 Proof. wrote:
Pretty old article..but messed up nonetheless.
"At school, her teachers initially described her as polite and helpful, but her behaviour deteriorated and she became disruptive and attention-seeking."

That word seems key here in my opinion. Probably something psychologically related. I mean, you can have fucked up thoughts at that age, but to take action...

I honestly don't believe you're "born" a killer. That seems like the kind of stuff you hear in movies..like Kill Bill. The environment you grow up in and the events you experience at a young age tends to have a great impact on later life.
Edit: I mean you COULD be born with a mental illness, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. The descriptions of her early on (polite and helpful???) suggests she developed a mental disorder as she got older (most likely from the parents splitting and the foster home thing).

I agree with the attention thing. Divorce children have often problems, though this is the first I heard about criminally-violent behavior.

My guess is she talked with other kids about the wrong things(kids can have cruel fantasies), seen the wrong movies or tried out the wrong things(like beheading the neighbor dog) or some combination of these.
It´s frightening that this actually happened. I mean, I was a divorce kid too, but I only got into fist fights, which gave me enough trouble already.
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ThatGuyDoMo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia516 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 22:09:51
February 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#130
Sounds like a case of Anti-social personality disorder taken to the extreme.

There is nothing like Psychopathy. ^>^
Mental Union
Profile Joined September 2011
United States29 Posts
February 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#131
On February 03 2012 06:59 LayZRR wrote:
Those descriptions from her and her quotes sound like words of a older mind...correct me if am wrong.
But it doesnt sound as it comes from a 12 year old mind...very disturbing.



Knowledge doesn't come from age, age merely presents the possibility to gain knowledge. Full scale IQ, doesn't necessarily peak at any specific age either. If the words we're produced from the mind of a 12 year old, they simply are the words of a 12 year old.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
February 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#132
On February 03 2012 06:59 LayZRR wrote:
Those descriptions from her and her quotes sound like words of a older mind...correct me if am wrong.
But it doesnt sound as it comes from a 12 year old mind...very disturbing.

Many 12 year olds can probably express themselfs more profound than me and I'm 28. It's more the disturbing nature that's... eh disturbing.
qzlsecret
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico126 Posts
February 02 2012 22:11 GMT
#133
there are humans that look like humans but arent humans
if you know what i mean
red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
February 02 2012 22:11 GMT
#134
you know, primates are very violent creatures and will often kill each other.

we are but a stone's throw away from them. it's not hard for me to see where this girl developed; a lack of empathy and conscious fostered by the influence of violence/death as an aesthetic.

if she had done this to get attention it would not have taken 4 years for them to figure out it was her who stabbed the hair dresser. this is a girl who, sadly, found fulfillment in murder and nothing in her head existed to stop her from doing it.

to give you an idea of how extreme she is, recall that Himmler (the nazi), who ordered millions to their deaths, could not stand the site of their murder. he was as close to evil as any other human being, was he not? you dont go from being a normal human being to bathing in blood by the age of 12. children who get pressed into killing or to see a lot of it have life-long psychological damage from it.

I wonder if she understands that her victims were afraid.
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Mental Union
Profile Joined September 2011
United States29 Posts
February 02 2012 22:12 GMT
#135
On February 03 2012 07:11 GofOrEver wrote:
there are humans that look like humans but arent humans
if you know what i mean



There are humans, that look like humans, but act and post like retards. You know who I mean
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
February 02 2012 22:16 GMT
#136
This is going to sound incredibly nerdy, but it's relevant. There was a Star Trek Voyager episode where a serial killer had his life saved by a medical procedure. One of the side effects, however, was that parts of his brain were repaired so he could fully comprehend what he had done to his victims. In essence, he now had a conscience.
ZessiM
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom232 Posts
February 02 2012 22:19 GMT
#137
Funny how many people want to settle for calling her crazy and just close the book. Remember that understanding can lead to prevention
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
February 02 2012 22:22 GMT
#138
On February 03 2012 07:16 aksfjh wrote:
This is going to sound incredibly nerdy, but it's relevant. There was a Star Trek Voyager episode where a serial killer had his life saved by a medical procedure. One of the side effects, however, was that parts of his brain were repaired so he could fully comprehend what he had done to his victims. In essence, he now had a conscience.


Hm, that in itself might be quite the punishment depending on what awful things you've done. Also, feeling something like severe guilt for the first time must be a terrible experience.
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
February 02 2012 22:25 GMT
#139
I hope this gets turned into a movie.
sunprince
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2258 Posts
February 02 2012 22:25 GMT
#140
Most people have the urge to kill people for petty reasons like jealousy now and then.

The only difference between this girl and others is that she lacked the inhibitions, empathy, and long-term planning to stop her from doing it.
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