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On January 23 2012 06:56 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:54 MR KING wrote:On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote:
Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past. yeah right, lol. Pirates isn't really affected by this move at all lol. The real looser are those who actually used that service for distribution of large legal files.
I want to see the reasons for the arrests in for Megaupload and the charges. There is no question that this site had copyrighted information on it along with valid, legal files. The issue is going to be if the owners of the site knew about the illegal content and made no effort to remove it or stop people from uploading the content. If they did this and also took money from people to download those files quickly, they are in fact, profiting from pirated content.
It is not a question of if the legal content is there, it is if the owners of the site made any effort to stop pirated content from being uploaded and then charged people. They can't hide behind "I can't control what people upload". The Courts have ruled otherwise and they can control their own service.
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Damn, fileserve is down now too, and I just paid for it =.=;
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On January 24 2012 03:28 musai wrote:
Damn, fileserve is down now too, and I just paid for it =.=;
For only valid, work purposes I assume? No downloading full seasons of TV shows for you?
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I wonder what happens with all the legal content on these sites. The FBI seizes control over the megaupload servers including this legal content. When they open these files they will be copied to RAM (and after that to the monitor, I would imagine) which is copyright infringement as they did not get authorization of the author. Hence they will never be allowed to read any of the files without prior knowledge of what is in the file (which is impossible). IMHO what the FBI is doing is hypocricy at its finest...
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One Word: Torrents
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On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote:
Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect)
UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing
this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard.
i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much. But i guess none of this data is publicly available anywhere if it even exists :/
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On January 24 2012 03:44 MisterD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote:
Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect)
UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard. i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much.
Everyone's probably just gone to torrents.
Sucks that anonymity's gone with them though, unless you have access to private torrents I guess.
EDIT: I should clarify, I know that these sites would have logs but torrents make it much easier to be identified as any peers/seeders can see your IP address.
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On January 24 2012 03:45 Phenny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:44 MisterD wrote:On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote:
Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect)
UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard. i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much. Everyone's probably just gone to torrents. Sucks that anonymity's gone with them though, unless you have access to private torrents I guess.
actually i don't think so, because just "going torrents" means you suddenly become a sharer just by downloading (unless you use a modded client). I don't think everyone just used these file hosters because they are simply more convenient, but also because they allow you to download your stuff without sharing it at the same time, making you "less" of a criminal so to speak.
But i'm very interested to see if the big torrent sites like TBP or EZTV will get a noticable activity increase over the next weeks.
/edit: Notice IP fanatics how i said "using hosters instead of torrents" because it's "more convenient"? .. service problem, as said so many times. Yes obviously not for everybody, but, too a large degree, depending on demographic (disposable income, regional availability of product etc.), definitely the largest reason for people to pirate stuff (my impression).
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You need to use anonymous VPN for everything p2p.
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On January 24 2012 03:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:56 tnud wrote:On January 23 2012 06:54 MR KING wrote:On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote:
Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past. yeah right, lol. Pirates isn't really affected by this move at all lol. The real looser are those who actually used that service for distribution of large legal files. I want to see the reasons for the arrests in for Megaupload and the charges. There is no question that this site had copyrighted information on it along with valid, legal files. The issue is going to be if the owners of the site knew about the illegal content and made no effort to remove it or stop people from uploading the content. If they did this and also took money from people to download those files quickly, they are in fact, profiting from pirated content. It is not a question of if the legal content is there, it is if the owners of the site made any effort to stop pirated content from being uploaded and then charged people. They can't hide behind "I can't control what people upload". The Courts have ruled otherwise and they can control their own service.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=megaupload indictment pdf
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On January 24 2012 03:44 MisterD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote:
Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect)
UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard. i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much. But i guess none of this data is publicly available anywhere if it even exists :/
It seems like a pretty strong response from any buisness. I wonder if they knew this was coming or if they were aware they might be treading close illegal actions by not taking down copywrited material. Its not like the people working there are totally unaware of what is going on when a copy of "War Horse", which is currently in theaters, is uploaded.
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On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote:One Word: Torrents
i got a better word
income
go get some/more....
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On January 24 2012 03:59 semantics wrote:i got a better word income go get some/more....
You see those 3 Gold coins ---->
I'm Richer than you ;D
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On January 24 2012 03:49 danielrosca wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:15 Plansix wrote:On January 23 2012 06:56 tnud wrote:On January 23 2012 06:54 MR KING wrote:On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote:
Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past. yeah right, lol. Pirates isn't really affected by this move at all lol. The real looser are those who actually used that service for distribution of large legal files. I want to see the reasons for the arrests in for Megaupload and the charges. There is no question that this site had copyrighted information on it along with valid, legal files. The issue is going to be if the owners of the site knew about the illegal content and made no effort to remove it or stop people from uploading the content. If they did this and also took money from people to download those files quickly, they are in fact, profiting from pirated content. It is not a question of if the legal content is there, it is if the owners of the site made any effort to stop pirated content from being uploaded and then charged people. They can't hide behind "I can't control what people upload". The Courts have ruled otherwise and they can control their own service. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=megaupload indictment pdf
Although slightly jerky, thanks for the link. They were charged by a grand jury, which is pretty time consuming. The main reason for the shut down is the fact that unregistered users can upload files, which are stored for 90 days, unless they are downloaded. Users are charged for faster downloads, not storage and every upload is offered to make a link for other people to download.
The whole thing makes a pretty strong case that Megauploads was only interesting making money providing illegal downloads to people.
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On January 24 2012 03:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:44 MisterD wrote:On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote:
Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect)
UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard. i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much. But i guess none of this data is publicly available anywhere if it even exists :/ It seems like a pretty strong response from any buisness. I wonder if they knew this was coming or if they were aware they might be treading close illegal actions by not taking down copywrited material. Its not like the people working there are totally unaware of what is going on when a copy of "War Horse", which is currently in theaters, is uploaded.
of course they are aware that they are treading close, do you think these providers are stupid? xD if you check any providers top 10 traffic list per week, i'm fairly certain that on average, at least 8 of those 10 files are copyright infringing every week. I bet you would find soo many copyright infringing works if you were to simply ask their databases for the largest number of uploaded files within one week that all have the same name. Like, when a DVD rip or something is released, everyone wants a share of these affiliate programs and uploads that file. If you look at the right sources, for like one episode of House MD for instance, within 3 days you easily can find over 50 different download links for the recorded file on the _same_ file hosting site.
Hell you could probably find 90% of current copyright infringing uploads by simply running a regex on the filenames! Of course that doesn't provide a reliable filter because people would just start naming their files differently, so that's pointless to implement. But still, these sites don't even try. On one file sharing site, you can find 10 copies of the exact same file. 8 of those might be unavailable due to DMCA takedown requests but the other 2 are still up after months - does anyone honestly expect these hosters could not super easily find out that it's the exact same file than the one they removed due to copyright claims 10 minutes earlier? Of course they could, but they just don't, because then they'd earn less money.
I believe the real reason why all those sites are shutting down their services is, that large parts of the facts brought up against megaupload.com were, that the site supports and obfuscates copyright infringing activities. The law only says "when you get a DMCA notice you have to take it down", i don't think there's a paragraph anywhere on obfuscation being illegal, so they all though they were safe enough. But now with megaupload.com taken down partially for those reasons, they all start running. It is a rather impulsive reaction as there has not been made any legal decision, if such obfuscation can be used as evidence or not. But with recent bills like SOPA, it certainly should have been become clear that the lobbyists would definitely like that. For them personally, it's probably a wise decision, especially since they probably have made quite a bit of money already and don't really have to rely on continued income anymore.
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On January 24 2012 04:02 ZodaSoda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:59 semantics wrote:On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote:One Word: Torrents i got a better word income go get some/more.... You see those 3 Gold coins ----> I'm Richer than you ;D
I only see 2 i think a pirate took yar booty
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On January 24 2012 04:07 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 04:02 ZodaSoda wrote:On January 24 2012 03:59 semantics wrote:On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote:One Word: Torrents i got a better word income go get some/more.... You see those 3 Gold coins ----> I'm Richer than you ;D I only see 2 i think a pirate took yar booty
Look harder
Glasses
go get some
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So are these "file sharing" services going to remain profitable with all these limitations to their services? If you can't share files with others, then what's the point of using their service..
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On January 24 2012 03:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 03:28 musai wrote:
Damn, fileserve is down now too, and I just paid for it =.=; For only valid, work purposes I assume? No downloading full seasons of TV shows for you?
For Korean variety / dramas.
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On January 24 2012 04:08 ZodaSoda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 04:07 semantics wrote:On January 24 2012 04:02 ZodaSoda wrote:On January 24 2012 03:59 semantics wrote:On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote:One Word: Torrents i got a better word income go get some/more.... You see those 3 Gold coins ----> I'm Richer than you ;D I only see 2 i think a pirate took yar booty Look harder Glasses go get some
This guy won the discussion with hisfirst reply to semantics already 
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