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On January 10 2012 15:14 KnT wrote: Dollars and cents are metric though :S
Btw, 2.5 shillings to a half-crown which is the old school imperial English currency
Interesting choice of measurements there.. LOL And yes, they are metric which I suppose shows that we're not completely retarded over here... (Just a little bit.)
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Metric is Standard. The other one is Imperial.
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Metric! its my dream for the USA to change to it metric, standard is terrible and really hurts us cause when we get to college its all metric and know one understands powers of ten.
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the advantages of imperial are a load of shit what did u base those statements on as in win dont say half a metre and have 400ml drinks... this is stupid
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Well over here we use purely the metric system, only very rarely standard. The only time people use it is to describe body height (still less common than metric) and golf (look at that drive!).
I'm guessing this is the case for most of the countries too.
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Calling the imperial system "standard" is pretty bold, seeing as about 90%(world, not TL) of people use the metric one. Including all scientists in the us, england .....
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On January 10 2012 14:11 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 14:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:This thread, it always annoys me with the 'imperial is standard' title. ##Vote 1 mod change thread title On January 10 2012 14:00 LegendaryZ wrote: Whatever is easier/more familiar for a given product or purpose at the time.
100 yards. 16 oz. 2 liters 20lbs. 1 kilo 5 feet 9 inches 1 gallon 1 teaspoon 32 degrees F 20 decibels
Bla bla bla... And yes, I live in the USA. I don't really get the argument over switching everything to metric. As long as you're familiar with the system and an inch is always an inch, who cares? It's like currency... if you need to, just do the conversion afterward. As for the issue of calculation, I really don't get what's so much easier about metric. Are calculations like 12x2 that difficult? Is metric more sensible and consistent? Probably. Is it any easier? Same shit to me... It was harder to teach you to get to the point where it became second nature. With that time, you could have been learning/memorizing other things. It's just inefficient to have an unnecessarily convoluted system for these things. I don't get this argument either. You learn all this stuff as a child so it takes no time at all for it to become second nature. Do you really think the fact that 12 inches = 1 foot is what's holding the American education system back? Really... unless you start getting into really obscure measurements (ie. furlongs and jiggers), nobody has trouble with this stuff at all. The whole thing is hard to solve. If it would be possible to convert Americans to metric system relatively painlessly it would be worth it as it would eliminate misunderstandings with people from other countries and since science uses metric system and science is still done in US , why keep one two systems when you can have one that is simpler and more useful with decimal system that you also use. But since it would be hard to do it painlessly I think it will just remain as it is for some time.
EDIT: On the other hand nearly like every other country managed to introduce metric system without too much trouble, so might be worth it.
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On January 10 2012 16:24 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 14:11 LegendaryZ wrote:On January 10 2012 14:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:This thread, it always annoys me with the 'imperial is standard' title. ##Vote 1 mod change thread title On January 10 2012 14:00 LegendaryZ wrote: Whatever is easier/more familiar for a given product or purpose at the time.
100 yards. 16 oz. 2 liters 20lbs. 1 kilo 5 feet 9 inches 1 gallon 1 teaspoon 32 degrees F 20 decibels
Bla bla bla... And yes, I live in the USA. I don't really get the argument over switching everything to metric. As long as you're familiar with the system and an inch is always an inch, who cares? It's like currency... if you need to, just do the conversion afterward. As for the issue of calculation, I really don't get what's so much easier about metric. Are calculations like 12x2 that difficult? Is metric more sensible and consistent? Probably. Is it any easier? Same shit to me... It was harder to teach you to get to the point where it became second nature. With that time, you could have been learning/memorizing other things. It's just inefficient to have an unnecessarily convoluted system for these things. I don't get this argument either. You learn all this stuff as a child so it takes no time at all for it to become second nature. Do you really think the fact that 12 inches = 1 foot is what's holding the American education system back? Really... unless you start getting into really obscure measurements (ie. furlongs and jiggers), nobody has trouble with this stuff at all. The whole thing is hard to solve. If it would be possible to convert Americans to metric system relatively painlessly it would be worth it as it would eliminate misunderstandings with people from other countries and since science uses metric system and science is still done in US  , why keep one two systems when you can have one that is simpler and more useful with decimal system that you also use. But since it would be hard to do it painlessly I think it will just remain as it is for some time. most schools now days are teaching both metric and standard. I learned a little bit of metric in grade school. But thats about it, past 3rd or 4th grade we only used standard.
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On January 10 2012 16:27 Boblhead wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 16:24 mcc wrote:On January 10 2012 14:11 LegendaryZ wrote:On January 10 2012 14:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:This thread, it always annoys me with the 'imperial is standard' title. ##Vote 1 mod change thread title On January 10 2012 14:00 LegendaryZ wrote: Whatever is easier/more familiar for a given product or purpose at the time.
100 yards. 16 oz. 2 liters 20lbs. 1 kilo 5 feet 9 inches 1 gallon 1 teaspoon 32 degrees F 20 decibels
Bla bla bla... And yes, I live in the USA. I don't really get the argument over switching everything to metric. As long as you're familiar with the system and an inch is always an inch, who cares? It's like currency... if you need to, just do the conversion afterward. As for the issue of calculation, I really don't get what's so much easier about metric. Are calculations like 12x2 that difficult? Is metric more sensible and consistent? Probably. Is it any easier? Same shit to me... It was harder to teach you to get to the point where it became second nature. With that time, you could have been learning/memorizing other things. It's just inefficient to have an unnecessarily convoluted system for these things. I don't get this argument either. You learn all this stuff as a child so it takes no time at all for it to become second nature. Do you really think the fact that 12 inches = 1 foot is what's holding the American education system back? Really... unless you start getting into really obscure measurements (ie. furlongs and jiggers), nobody has trouble with this stuff at all. The whole thing is hard to solve. If it would be possible to convert Americans to metric system relatively painlessly it would be worth it as it would eliminate misunderstandings with people from other countries and since science uses metric system and science is still done in US  , why keep one two systems when you can have one that is simpler and more useful with decimal system that you also use. But since it would be hard to do it painlessly I think it will just remain as it is for some time. most schools now days are teaching both metric and standard. I learned a little bit of metric in grade school. But thats about it, past 3rd or 4th grade we only used standard.
"a bit of metric" is everything there is to know XD
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Imperial is a shitty system as EVERYBODY KNOWS, WOW - no real need to try to 'point out why metric is better' as it is no contest. It's damn obvious, but also would be quite expensive / would annoy the heck out of a bunch of old people for the US to switch over immediately. As the most powerful/influential country in the world we can sorta get away with doing whatever we want, even if it hurts us a little in the long run. Sure would be a good idea to put a high emphasis on it in elementary education, though.
I don't bother to try to think about mundane things (distance to work, grocery measures, etc.) because it's pointless to have to convert from the units I see everywhere - I intuitively know how much a cup is, or what ~40 pounds weighs. I would think it a bit silly for someone in the US to actively try to think in metric other than on a lark as a hobby - it's not like it's an intellectual feat to purposefully handicap yourself by using a different system than what is used everywhere in daily life.
Fortunately in the sciences everyone uses metric everywhere so that's cool beans.
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On January 10 2012 14:15 Kaiyotic wrote: Pros of Imperial system - Tends to be divisible by 3 and 4 more often - Fahrenheit has smaller units so less messing with decimals
Pros of Metric system - It makes sense. The first is kind of strange pro as I am not sure what exactly do you mean, if you meant what I think you did, then it is not true. And even if it was I could counter with saying that metric one tends to be divisible by 10 as a pro 
Decimals are not a problem like ever and there are quite big pros to both Celsius and Kelvin(SI).
As for the pros of the metric system, yes, it makes sense and has a lot of nice properties that imperial system lacks (check the wiki on the SI metric system for them).
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Imperial is sufficient casus belli imo.
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fahrenheit is fucking terrible in my opinion even worse than the imperial length weight measurements. the only minor advantage it might have is that you dont need to use negative ° too often. but it doesent make any sense. celsius 0° and lower is when water freezes and knowing that is important(driving with cars, plants). thats like 32° fahrenheit or something arbitrary. ok that 100° celsius is the boiling point of water isnt too useful in daily life but still
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On January 10 2012 14:20 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 14:11 Tektos wrote:On January 10 2012 14:07 LegendaryZ wrote:On January 10 2012 14:04 Tektos wrote: It should be "Do you use standard or imperial" heh. Yeah, because that quip never gets old...  It is true though. More people use metric, it is the standard. If you're going to refer to imperial as "standard" then specify "U.S. standard". Or maybe, you know, request the thread title to be changed so people stop bringing this up? Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 14:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Does being old make it untrue? If most of the world uses it, it's standard. You guys DO realize that "metric" is the NAME of the metric system, right? And "standard" in this case is referring to one of the NAMES used for the imperial system, right? Stop acting stupid when you know exactly what the OP is trying to say... And yes, the METRIC system is the standard used by the vast majority of the world. That doesn't change it's name from "metric" to "standard"... Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 14:17 KnT wrote: Personally I think metric is better as it was originally designed on something that doesnt vary often (ie a metre is the 1^-7 of the distance between the equator and the north pole) as opposed to imperial (ie an inch is 1/12 of the length of the foot of the King at the time of coining a standard measurement for distance) So "1^-7 of the distance between the equator and the north pole)" is somehow less arbitrary than the foot of a particular king? As long as the measurement itself doesn't change (a foot today is always the same distance as a foot yesterday) why does it matter? By the way, I am personally not invested either way as far as any major change toward metric goes. It probably makes sense to have a global standard if only for communication purposes, but all this efficiency and education stuff is just nonsense in my opinion. Calculation is calculation and measuring is measuring. Metric doesn't make it any easier or harder. What makes it harder is if you don't know imperial, but have to calculate/measure in it, but that's because of your own unfamiliarity with imperial rather than any superiority of metric. I can assure you that anyone with a brain in the USA gets by just fine with our "inferior" system of measurement. Personally as far as measurements go, I'm much more bothered by the lack of a standard measurement for men's shirts in this country. WTF is S/M/L/XL and why does it change from designer to designer?
Actually metric system's name is International System of Units really and is called International standard for physical measurements. And it is also real international standard, so yes it is standard.
You really do not see how 1^-7 of that distance is better than some long lost foot ? One of the points of the system was ability to reproduce it independently on any other existing example of the unit of length. You can reproduce meter without having another an example of one. You cannot do so with foot, unless you use meter to do so Also the meter is now defined using speed of light to be even more easily reproduced.
And this property is one of the few that are the basis for the statement that metric system is superior (check the others if you want on wiki on metric system). The point is metric system is a designed system. It was designed to be superior to the other systems of the time, and unlike other systems it is still being improved upon.
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On January 10 2012 15:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 14:58 JustinL wrote:On January 10 2012 14:20 LegendaryZ wrote:On January 10 2012 14:17 KnT wrote: Personally I think metric is better as it was originally designed on something that doesnt vary often (ie a metre is the 1^-7 of the distance between the equator and the north pole) as opposed to imperial (ie an inch is 1/12 of the length of the foot of the King at the time of coining a standard measurement for distance) So "1^-7 of the distance between the equator and the north pole)" is somehow less arbitrary than the foot of a particular king? As long as the measurement itself doesn't change (a foot today is always the same distance as a foot yesterday) why does it matter? A metre is the distance light travels in a certain time. You can't really get less arbitrary than that... Errr, that could apply to ANY distance... light does just under 300,000,000 m/s if memory serves. But it's based on the equator/pole thing. It is not anymore, it is based now on the speed of light.
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i don't know who wanted to be a smartass by mentioning decibel but that is neither metric nor imperial l0l
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On January 10 2012 16:59 freelander wrote: i don't know who wanted to be a smartass by mentioning decibel but that is neither metric nor imperial l0l
Yea, it's kinda a different animal being logarithmic and all...
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metric= standard imperial = old
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From Wiki:
Three nations have not officially adopted the International System of Units as their primary or sole system of measurement: Myanmar (Burma), Liberia, and the United States
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Using the Imperial system, and measuring temperature with fahrenheit...... sigh
Well well^^ Hopefully it won't be the same in a couple of decades
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