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Ethic
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada439 Posts
December 09 2011 10:35 GMT
#281
It's not called Standard, it's called "Imperial" and there's nothing Standard about it, the only country in the entire world using it still is the USA...
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 09 2011 10:35 GMT
#282
On December 09 2011 19:30 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
First things first, Metric is standard. Imperial is the alternative.
On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Advantages of Standard
1. Standard goes more naturally with fractions - quarter of a pint, half foot, etc. Technically, you don't say half meter but rather 50 centimeters or 500 millimeters.

2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.

Neither of these are true.

On December 09 2011 18:57 Muki wrote:
Calling the Imperial system "standard" is just as bad as calling soccer "football", when on an international forum IMO.
It's confusing but it's the education system's fault not the poster's.

FTFY, football refers to tons of games around the world. Soccer refers to the same game no matter where you live.

In most countries in the world, when you say football everyone knowns exactly what you mean. The word for it in most languages is based on football(with differences depending on local pronunciation), and the rest have their own different word, I don't know of a single language that has a word based on soccer(and neither does google translate).


Sorry for trolling, but I fell in love with this argument that you should use the word "football" about the game where you kick the BALL with your FOOT, and use "handegg" about the game where you carry an EGG with your HANDs. Same principle baseball --> batball? Basketball got it right though. Tennis --> racketball. table tennis --> tableracketball?
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8247 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:37:21
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#283
On December 09 2011 19:30 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
First things first, Metric is standard. Imperial is the alternative.
On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Advantages of Standard
1. Standard goes more naturally with fractions - quarter of a pint, half foot, etc. Technically, you don't say half meter but rather 50 centimeters or 500 millimeters.

2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.

Neither of these are true.

On December 09 2011 18:57 Muki wrote:
Calling the Imperial system "standard" is just as bad as calling soccer "football", when on an international forum IMO.
It's confusing but it's the education system's fault not the poster's.

FTFY, football refers to tons of games around the world. Soccer refers to the same game no matter where you live.

In most countries in the world, when you say football everyone knowns exactly what you mean. The word for it in most languages is based on football(with differences depending on local pronunciation), and the rest have their own different word, I don't know of a single language that has a word based on soccer(and neither does google translate).


In most countries in the world when you say "football" they think of soccer..

edit: too quick to respond, you where saying the same thing sry
Nallen
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom134 Posts
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#284
This OP hurts my head.

There is nothing good about the imperial system. Even if we do still buy pints of beer and say we're 6' tall.
Arlenius
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom49 Posts
December 09 2011 10:37 GMT
#285
All your advantages on standard must be the case in your country, but go to others and it's not like that. UK we use ml for drinks mostly (pints for milk). We do say half a metre. Metric just makes more sense because it's measured in factors of 10 which keeps things simple. Not sure why anyone invented imperial measurements, they're stupid!
(Far too many people in the UK use stone as a measurement of weight...lb or kg make more sense for that)
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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:37:26
December 09 2011 10:37 GMT
#286
On December 09 2011 19:35 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:30 lololol wrote:
On December 09 2011 19:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
First things first, Metric is standard. Imperial is the alternative.
On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Advantages of Standard
1. Standard goes more naturally with fractions - quarter of a pint, half foot, etc. Technically, you don't say half meter but rather 50 centimeters or 500 millimeters.

2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.

Neither of these are true.

On December 09 2011 18:57 Muki wrote:
Calling the Imperial system "standard" is just as bad as calling soccer "football", when on an international forum IMO.
It's confusing but it's the education system's fault not the poster's.

FTFY, football refers to tons of games around the world. Soccer refers to the same game no matter where you live.

In most countries in the world, when you say football everyone knowns exactly what you mean. The word for it in most languages is based on football(with differences depending on local pronunciation), and the rest have their own different word, I don't know of a single language that has a word based on soccer(and neither does google translate).


Sorry for trolling, but I fell in love with this argument that you should use the word "football" about the game where you kick the BALL with your FOOT, and use "handegg" about the game where you carry an EGG with your HANDs. Same principle baseball --> batball? Basketball got it right though. Tennis --> racketball. table tennis --> tableracketball?
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Sorry for offtopic ^_^
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
December 09 2011 10:38 GMT
#287
I'm not for the US.

Also I assume the US refuses to "convert" (hah) simply due to the enormous logistical costs.
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iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1481 Posts
December 09 2011 10:41 GMT
#288
Metric, im from Spain. I dont give a fuck what one we would use, but it would be a smart aidea to switch to it everywhere in the world so we would not make dumb mistakes.
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Remb
Profile Joined August 2011
United States190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:52:19
December 09 2011 10:41 GMT
#289
My engineering courses force us to learn Imperial "because it's common in the US".
Well no fucking shit it's common when you are teaching it to your engineers. Engineering aside, all other scientific fields in the US use metric because Imperial is arbitrary garbage and it only seems simple because you're all so accustomed to it.

I personally know the guy responsible for the Mars mission disaster that cost billions of dollars because of 1 conversion error. By the way, the error was a measurement less than a few centimeters. So he would always get berated with jokes like "Can you move your desk 2 cm to the right?"
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smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:45:36
December 09 2011 10:43 GMT
#290
dont forget about Fahrenheit for temperature... the "us standard" system is really outdated and you wont use it later on anyways. Anybody ever tried to some physic or chemistry with ounces and inches xD.

Yeah Im 6 Foot tall. Really what kind of feet are we talking about womens, mens ? human ??? :D
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SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
December 09 2011 10:44 GMT
#291
Imperial units are what I know and use in work, school, and conversion. Off the top of my head, I have no idea what my height is in meters, the temperature is in Celsius, or my weight is in kilograms. Feet, Fahrenheit, and pounds.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
December 09 2011 10:45 GMT
#292
I wonder how many people think in radians and how many in degrees? Calculus means I think in radians, but I think most people would think in degrees since it seems more intuitive. Am I right?
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ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
December 09 2011 10:49 GMT
#293
On December 09 2011 19:30 Cascade wrote:
The one exception of SI units being useful is the Kelvin, which I think is objectively a bit inconvenient for our everyday life. Why you ask? Because the "0" of Kelvin is not at all intuitive for us, and that all our temperatures in everyday life end up between 250 and 350K, which is a bit stupid. We all know how long 0 meters (or inch for that matter) is, 0kg, 0 seconds. 0 Kelvin? No idea. For us it gets kindof cold in the winter, and super cold in the freezer and in like Siberia its crazy cold and Antarctica is penguin cold. And it can get even colder!! But 0 K? no idea. Stupid unit for everyday use. Celcius vs farenheit, I'd say they are comparable. The celcius zero makes a bit more sense imo, as that is when it can start snowing, and water will freeze, which pops up frequently in everyday use (at least here in Sweden...). For the 100 though I'd say that the body temperature is a bit more useful (105? that's a fever!!) than the water boiling temperature (anyone take the temperature on water about to boil?) in everyday life. This can ofc be discussed though.

I will have to disagree on this sir.
While i'm used to Celsius Degrees more I think Kelvin makes more sense. Temperature is in direct relation to the movement of the particles in the matter. 0 in Celsius is the freezing point of water, but water is just another matter. 0 in kelvin (-273.15 Celsius Degrees) is the point where all the molecules in the matter are not moving, there can't be lower than 0. Using Celsius in term of Thermal calculation just plain wrong as anything close to water freezing point will spike up the result.
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Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
December 09 2011 10:49 GMT
#294
On December 09 2011 19:44 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
Imperial units are what I know and use in work, school, and conversion. Off the top of my head, I have no idea what my height is in meters, the temperature is in Celsius, or my weight is in kilograms. Feet, Fahrenheit, and pounds.


Same but in the other side

Metric units are what I know and use in work, school, and conversion. Off the top of my head, I have no idea what my height is in feets, the temperature is in Fahrenheit, or my weight is in pounds. Meters, Celsius, and kilograms.

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Rye.
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom88 Posts
December 09 2011 10:49 GMT
#295
The one exception of SI units being useful is the Kelvin, which I think is objectively a bit inconvenient for our everyday life. Why you ask? Because the "0" of Kelvin is not at all intuitive for us, and that all our temperatures in everyday life end up between 250 and 350K, which is a bit stupid. We all know how long 0 meters (or inch for that matter) is, 0kg, 0 seconds. 0 Kelvin? No idea. For us it gets kindof cold in the winter, and super cold in the freezer and in like Siberia its crazy cold and Antarctica is penguin cold. And it can get even colder!! But 0 K? no idea. Stupid unit for everyday use. Celcius vs farenheit, I'd say they are comparable. The celcius zero makes a bit more sense imo, as that is when it can start snowing, and water will freeze, which pops up frequently in everyday use (at least here in Sweden...). For the 100 though I'd say that the body temperature is a bit more useful (105? that's a fever!!) than the water boiling temperature (anyone take the temperature on water about to boil?) in everyday life. This can ofc be discussed though.


As a fellow physicist i'm going to tell you your logic is flawed. You cant go less distance than 0 meters or 0N
-5m is just 5m in a different direction.
Kelvin sets the start of the scale to 0.
0K = -273.15C

Try to think of it in reverse. Imagine you've always used kelvin and someone comes along and says
"We should start at 273!" Completely illogical.

Again, makes no difference to the average person. It all about a global system.
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Dazer
Profile Joined September 2010
239 Posts
December 09 2011 10:52 GMT
#296
Metric > Standard in every way.

Reason that US haven't changed yet purely because of political reasons. Same goes for Celsius and Fahrenheit .

Water freeze at 0 degree Celsius and boils at 100 degree Celsius at 1 atmosphere of pressure, easy and simple.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
December 09 2011 10:52 GMT
#297
Kelvin and Celsius use the same measurement system, the only difference is where the 0 is located. Fahrenheit is something weird.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 09 2011 10:52 GMT
#298
On December 09 2011 19:45 LAN-f34r wrote:
I wonder how many people think in radians and how many in degrees? Calculus means I think in radians, but I think most people would think in degrees since it seems more intuitive. Am I right?


Not because it is more intuitive, but because it is the first thing you get taught in school. But as you start talking about angles long before you talk about pi, I guess it would be hard to start with radians.

It's the same reason that the Riemann integral is still around rather than the Lebesgue one. It becomes obsolete only at higher level, so it feels far fetched to not use it when you first get the concept introduced. Maybe that is what you mean with intuitive though, so I guess you have a point.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 09 2011 10:53 GMT
#299
This is a really confusing thread for non-Americans. What the hell is "Standard"?

In our country, noone has any idea about Imperial units, except for maybe inches that are for some obscene reason still used as a measure for computer screens, tires and gardening pipes (but the original meaning of "inch" is then supprssed, as a 21" screen does in no dimension measure 21 inches). Maybe someone will know, what a mile is, but usually people would be confused whether it is 1.6 km mile or 1.8 km mile. The more exotic units like pints or pounds? 99 % of the people here do not have even a remote idea how big these are.

We buy beer in half-liters. There is nothing "imperial" on using half-something, half is a number as good as any other. With decimal system, it is extremmly easy to calculate fractions in terms of small units, most people don't even think of it. Many of weight-related food purchases or done in dekagrams - it is a supplementary, not basic unit, but it is clear as day and very convevient to buy cheese, salami, salads.

There is saying, that there are only three countries in the world left that use the imperial system - Liberia, Bangladesh and USA. It is not factually correct, but it is funny
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 11:00:54
December 09 2011 10:53 GMT
#300
When i read "standard" I can't help but share this image.
[image loading]

Sorry if it has already been posted. Didn't have the courage to read the entire thread.

Edit : Yeah, already been posted multiples times. My apologies.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
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