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On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store.
In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric.
PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america.
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On December 09 2011 19:52 Thorakh wrote:
Kelvin and Celsius use the same measurement system, the only difference is where the 0 is located. Fahrenheit is something weird.
Fahrenheit is based on the freezing point of brine (ocean water) in the North Atlantic Ocean. It's great if you're a sea navigator or naval officer for the 18th century British Empire. Not so much for the other 99.99999% of the world.
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On December 09 2011 19:53 RaiZ wrote:When i read "standard" I can't help but share this image. + Show Spoiler +Sorry if it has already been posted. Didn't have the courage to read the entire thread.
In that same vein, I have no idea of the measurement system map has been posted either but here we go
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Calling Imperial "standard" is the "Americans are stupid" quote of the day imho.
Metric is superior for math by far. Kelvin isn't ideal for the real world so either Fahrenheit of Celsius is better. Since I'm the 99% I prefer Celsius.
Below 0? Ice and snow, over 40? holy fuck this is hot.
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but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. Here in the netherlands we actually use ounces (ons) and pounds (pond) for that! But hey, they actually make sense here as we just mean 100g and 500g respectively.
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On December 09 2011 19:52 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 19:45 LAN-f34r wrote:
I wonder how many people think in radians and how many in degrees? Calculus means I think in radians, but I think most people would think in degrees since it seems more intuitive. Am I right? Not because it is more intuitive, but because it is the first thing you get taught in school. But as you start talking about angles long before you talk about pi, I guess it would be hard to start with radians. It's the same reason that the Riemann integral is still around rather than the Lebesgue one. It becomes obsolete only at higher level, so it feels far fetched to not use it when you first get the concept introduced. Maybe that is what you mean with intuitive though, so I guess you have a point. 
Radians is extremely cumbersome for engineering and design because it's based on fractions. When you're trying to tell a manufacturer to cut the beam at a 3*pi/65 angle, he'll just look at you funny.
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On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america.
Actually, in construction here in Sweden we use inches and stuff. A two-by-four is still called a "två-tum-fyra" in Swedish, which means two-inch-four. And it is used in a bunch of other situation about plumbing aswell.
And OP gets it quite wrong about 500 decimeters, we use "half meters" all the time. I'm not 170cm, I'm 1,7m in daily speech, or sometimes we even mix them and say "one and seventy".
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On December 09 2011 19:57 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. Here in the netherlands we actually use ounces (ons) and pounds (pond) for that! But hey, they actually make sense here as we just mean 100g and 500g respectively.
We don't use ounces but we also use pound (Pfund) synonymous with 500g, especially when it comes to meat.
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On December 09 2011 19:59 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america. Actually, in construction here in Sweden we use inches and stuff. A two-by-four is still called a "två-tum-fyra" in Swedish, which means two-inch-four. And it is used in a bunch of other situation about plumbing aswell. And OP gets it quite wrong about 500 decimeters, we use "half meters" all the time. I'm not 170cm, I'm 1,7m in daily speech, or sometimes we even mix them and say "one and seventy".
The real issue IMO is how in Europe you use a comma where we use a decimal point. You have no idea how freaked out I got when I saw the price for a bottle of coke in France!
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On December 09 2011 19:49 Rye. wrote:Show nested quote +The one exception of SI units being useful is the Kelvin, which I think is objectively a bit inconvenient for our everyday life. Why you ask? Because the "0" of Kelvin is not at all intuitive for us, and that all our temperatures in everyday life end up between 250 and 350K, which is a bit stupid. We all know how long 0 meters (or inch for that matter) is, 0kg, 0 seconds. 0 Kelvin? No idea. For us it gets kindof cold in the winter, and super cold in the freezer and in like Siberia its crazy cold and Antarctica is penguin cold. And it can get even colder!! But 0 K? no idea. Stupid unit for everyday use. Celcius vs farenheit, I'd say they are comparable. The celcius zero makes a bit more sense imo, as that is when it can start snowing, and water will freeze, which pops up frequently in everyday use (at least here in Sweden...). For the 100 though I'd say that the body temperature is a bit more useful (105? that's a fever!!) than the water boiling temperature (anyone take the temperature on water about to boil?) in everyday life. This can ofc be discussed though. As a fellow physicist i'm going to tell you your logic is flawed. You cant go less distance than 0 meters or 0N -5m is just 5m in a different direction. Kelvin sets the start of the scale to 0. 0K = -273.15C Try to think of it in reverse. Imagine you've always used kelvin and someone comes along and says "We should start at 273!" Completely illogical. Again, makes no difference to the average person. It all about a global system.
hmm, I don't feel you address my concern. My point was that everyone knows how much 0 distance is. And how much 0 weight is. It is very intuitive and something that can easily be understood, and used, from everyday life. Because of that, it makes a natural point to set the 0 any length scale, like meters, inches whatever. Putting 1.2 meters as the zero for a new length scale would be stupid.
But there is no such everyday intuition for 0 kinetic energy of an object. I think you can agree on that? I tried to argue that there is no natural 0 temperature from everyday life, as it can always get colder (or warmer) as we never get anywhere close to absolute zero in everyday life. I also took it for granted that it is easier (for everyday use by non-professionals) to have your normal temperatures between 0 and 40 rather than between 270 and 310, but that can be argued I guess. You also get this convenient 0-point where water freezes which can be useful. "if its below 273.15 K, beware of ice!" everyone would have to learn that number by heart, in the same way that everyone now has to learn that 37 degrees is the normal body temperature, which is annoying.
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Strangely as a Canadian i use imperial(standard) more. However, metric makes more sense.
+ Show Spoiler +Metric is also an amazing band 
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On December 09 2011 20:02 DarthXX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 19:59 Catch]22 wrote:On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america. Actually, in construction here in Sweden we use inches and stuff. A two-by-four is still called a "två-tum-fyra" in Swedish, which means two-inch-four. And it is used in a bunch of other situation about plumbing aswell. And OP gets it quite wrong about 500 decimeters, we use "half meters" all the time. I'm not 170cm, I'm 1,7m in daily speech, or sometimes we even mix them and say "one and seventy". The real issue IMO is how in Europe you use a comma where we use a decimal point. You have no idea how freaked out I got when I saw the price for a bottle of coke in France!
Haha. That's where we are backwards I guess, we should have adopted the decimal point long ago.
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On December 09 2011 20:06 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 20:02 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 19:59 Catch]22 wrote:On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america. Actually, in construction here in Sweden we use inches and stuff. A two-by-four is still called a "två-tum-fyra" in Swedish, which means two-inch-four. And it is used in a bunch of other situation about plumbing aswell. And OP gets it quite wrong about 500 decimeters, we use "half meters" all the time. I'm not 170cm, I'm 1,7m in daily speech, or sometimes we even mix them and say "one and seventy". The real issue IMO is how in Europe you use a comma where we use a decimal point. You have no idea how freaked out I got when I saw the price for a bottle of coke in France! Haha. That's where we are backwards I guess, we should have adopted the decimal point long ago.
As a Financial employee I must say decimal point for decimals and comma's for separiting all thousands provides much better overview. I believe this is already being used in the business world all over.
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On December 09 2011 19:57 Remb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 19:52 Cascade wrote:On December 09 2011 19:45 LAN-f34r wrote:
I wonder how many people think in radians and how many in degrees? Calculus means I think in radians, but I think most people would think in degrees since it seems more intuitive. Am I right? Not because it is more intuitive, but because it is the first thing you get taught in school. But as you start talking about angles long before you talk about pi, I guess it would be hard to start with radians. It's the same reason that the Riemann integral is still around rather than the Lebesgue one. It becomes obsolete only at higher level, so it feels far fetched to not use it when you first get the concept introduced. Maybe that is what you mean with intuitive though, so I guess you have a point. Radians is extremely cumbersome for engineering and design because it's based on fractions. When you're trying to tell a manufacturer to cut the beam at a 3*pi/65 angle, he'll just look at you funny.
Well, that's because it's not standardized, but I get your point. Also, it would be more like pi/4 or pi/3 and that kind of things. Can you cut that at around 250 milli pi plase? :D
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On December 09 2011 15:16 Elysian wrote:
Building material sizes:
Most metal sizes (e.g. rebar, welding, metal sheets) can have precision to 1/8". The equivalent to that in metric is 3.175mm. While you could say "yeah but they could have just made metal in increments of 3mm", imperial has benefits when you start looking at areas and moments of inertia.
Rebar #'s are done in 1/8 of an inch increments; so a #4 rebar has a diameter of 4/8 or 1/2 an inch, #8 rebar has a diameter of 1 inch, #9 has a diameter of 9/8 of an inch. The corresponding mm's are 12.7, 25.4, and 28.65 (you don't use cm that often since stress is often measured in megapascals, N/mm^2). The areas of these rebars are: .2in^2, .44 in^2, and 1 in^2 or 129mm^2, 509mm^2, and 645mm^2; imperial here is much easier to spot check.
Moments of Inertia:
In order to calculate how much a beam will deflect (we have to control deflection in order for people to feel comfortable in a building), you need to use moments of inertia. Moments of inertia have units of length^4. I'm not sure if these are usually done in cm or mm (since no stress is involved) but in either case the metric value comes out to be substantially larger than the standard value. In the case of mm, 78 in^4 becomes 32,466,051 mm^4. In tall buildings, those moments of inertia can quickly rise to billions or trillions for the members at the base.
*facepalm*
User was warned for this post
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On December 09 2011 20:06 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 20:02 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 19:59 Catch]22 wrote:On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america. Actually, in construction here in Sweden we use inches and stuff. A two-by-four is still called a "två-tum-fyra" in Swedish, which means two-inch-four. And it is used in a bunch of other situation about plumbing aswell. And OP gets it quite wrong about 500 decimeters, we use "half meters" all the time. I'm not 170cm, I'm 1,7m in daily speech, or sometimes we even mix them and say "one and seventy". The real issue IMO is how in Europe you use a comma where we use a decimal point. You have no idea how freaked out I got when I saw the price for a bottle of coke in France! Haha. That's where we are backwards I guess, we should have adopted the decimal point long ago.
That one is trickier, two factions (and an oddball) battling it out!
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Blue= Period
Green= Comma
Red= Non-West-Arabic numerals
Grey= Unknown
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On December 09 2011 20:06 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 20:02 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 19:59 Catch]22 wrote:On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america. Actually, in construction here in Sweden we use inches and stuff. A two-by-four is still called a "två-tum-fyra" in Swedish, which means two-inch-four. And it is used in a bunch of other situation about plumbing aswell. And OP gets it quite wrong about 500 decimeters, we use "half meters" all the time. I'm not 170cm, I'm 1,7m in daily speech, or sometimes we even mix them and say "one and seventy". The real issue IMO is how in Europe you use a comma where we use a decimal point. You have no idea how freaked out I got when I saw the price for a bottle of coke in France! Haha. That's where we are backwards I guess, we should have adopted the decimal point long ago.
It's funny that you say that because commas are the default decimal separator for the vast majority of the world. The exceptions being the English speaking world and some East asian countries.
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On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america.
Yeah, pretty much his "advantages" to the "standard" system are only advantages because of culture. I can say the metric system has those advantages too, since I've used it my entire life. They feel pretty natural to me and I've bought wood, pipes, food, etc in meters/kilograms all my life.
Since those two points he made for "standard" are untrue because they depend on which one you have grown using, we are left with the first three (and probably more which he forgot to mention). Metric is much better because of them.
btw, this:
On December 09 2011 18:18 Klesky wrote:
I find this post to be extremely biased.
1. Yes, I do say half a meter, half a kilometer. I also say 50cm and 500m.
2. Yes, I do go to the shops to buy a 400ml drink; and no, I do not believe they're more practical. It might be more practical for you because you live in the USA, where everyone else also uses the same measurement system. But for me, it'd be completely impractical.
This poll is meaningless; unless you live in one of the countries that still uses the imperial system (the USA, and a few African coutnries too poor to change over.) then you'll be using the metric system and therefore probably vote for that.
Probably the most annoying thing about your post is that you call it the 'standard' system, when it's the imperial system. The bias is pretty nicely summed up by that alone I think.
For the record, I voted for the metric system. Because I actually find it more practical that the units divide into each other relatively simply. I also do a lot of work with mathematics and physics, and I find it extremely practical and/or useful that many of the physical SI units work well with each other.
edit: I feel like I've been trolled by this thread.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 09 2011 20:11 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 20:06 Maenander wrote:On December 09 2011 20:02 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 19:59 Catch]22 wrote:On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america. Actually, in construction here in Sweden we use inches and stuff. A two-by-four is still called a "två-tum-fyra" in Swedish, which means two-inch-four. And it is used in a bunch of other situation about plumbing aswell. And OP gets it quite wrong about 500 decimeters, we use "half meters" all the time. I'm not 170cm, I'm 1,7m in daily speech, or sometimes we even mix them and say "one and seventy". The real issue IMO is how in Europe you use a comma where we use a decimal point. You have no idea how freaked out I got when I saw the price for a bottle of coke in France! Haha. That's where we are backwards I guess, we should have adopted the decimal point long ago. That one is trickier, two factions (and an oddball) battling it out! Blue= Period Green= Comma Red= Non-West-Arabic numerals Grey= Unknown
Antarctica is such a wild card, get with the times.
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On December 09 2011 20:09 frontliner2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 20:06 Maenander wrote:On December 09 2011 20:02 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 19:59 Catch]22 wrote:On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america. Actually, in construction here in Sweden we use inches and stuff. A two-by-four is still called a "två-tum-fyra" in Swedish, which means two-inch-four. And it is used in a bunch of other situation about plumbing aswell. And OP gets it quite wrong about 500 decimeters, we use "half meters" all the time. I'm not 170cm, I'm 1,7m in daily speech, or sometimes we even mix them and say "one and seventy". The real issue IMO is how in Europe you use a comma where we use a decimal point. You have no idea how freaked out I got when I saw the price for a bottle of coke in France! Haha. That's where we are backwards I guess, we should have adopted the decimal point long ago. As a Financial employee I must say decimal point for decimals and comma's for separiting all thousands provides much better overview. I believe this is already being used in the business world all over.
That just means you work with too large numbers
Decimal point is the standard in computer languages and that's why it should be adopted imo.
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On December 09 2011 20:02 DarthXX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 19:59 Catch]22 wrote:On December 09 2011 19:55 DarthXX wrote:On December 09 2011 13:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
2. Standard units are more practical and convenient. No one goes to the grocery to buy 400ml drink, instead, they buy it in 12 ounces. No one buys 5 meters of wood, instead, they buy it is 1x1x12, all in feet.
I'm sorry but it is clear you have never been outside the US. In almost EVERY other country no one uses ounces, anywhere (I'm not sure about Canada, never been). I don't go to the store to buy 400ml of drink, I go there to buy a half litre. It's normal for me and everyone who is not American. In most European countries people use centilitres on drinks (eg 33cl instead of 330ml) I'm not sure how widespread it is for weight, but in all the Eastern European countries I've been to they use decagrams for weight, as in 20dg of ham or whatever when they go to the store. In short, pointless poll only asking if you are from the US and don't use metric. PS: Imperial is not referred to as "Standard" anywhere except america. Actually, in construction here in Sweden we use inches and stuff. A two-by-four is still called a "två-tum-fyra" in Swedish, which means two-inch-four. And it is used in a bunch of other situation about plumbing aswell. And OP gets it quite wrong about 500 decimeters, we use "half meters" all the time. I'm not 170cm, I'm 1,7m in daily speech, or sometimes we even mix them and say "one and seventy". The real issue IMO is how in Europe you use a comma where we use a decimal point. You have no idea how freaked out I got when I saw the price for a bottle of coke in France!
Yeah, that's as confusing as the imperial system is for us. Quite the shock i guess^^
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