EPTThe thing is that the companies that have most to gain from stopping piracy also have the most to lose because their consumer base is not the 70+ year old sellouts that "support" the bill but rather the 18-30 year olds that understand it and are most passionate against it.
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Zinroc
Canada73 Posts
The thing is that the companies that have most to gain from stopping piracy also have the most to lose because their consumer base is not the 70+ year old sellouts that "support" the bill but rather the 18-30 year olds that understand it and are most passionate against it. | ||
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dudecrush
Canada418 Posts
On December 19 2011 01:51 Denis Lachance wrote: I wish I could write to my congressman. Unfortunately, I am in Canada. This makes me even more helpless. Even thought it is legislation not being passed in my country, it will affect me just as much. However, there is nothing I can do to stop it. So please, my American friends, call your congressman on behalf of a fellow TL member. Please make your voice heard for those of us who have none. Yes, please. I am also from Canada and have no voice when it comes to this. Please take a few minutes between games of SC to email your representatives. The rest of the world really appreciates it. | ||
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reneg
United States859 Posts
i feel like congress has gone completely rogue and is just kind of doing whatever it wants, because they're all waiting for next election. Each side, i feel like, thinks that it's going to win, so they're just putting through whatever, since they assume that they'll be able to pass anything unopposed next year. | ||
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jchan
40 Posts
On December 18 2011 21:09 zeru wrote: I hate sopa as much as everyone else but how does joining a facebook group help to stop it? Slacktivism does nothing. Call/mail your congressmen instead and voice your concerns and explain why they shouldn't vote for it. we need to inform the misinformed and uninformed so we can get more people to call the congressmen. if that fails at least we will have an army of people who are actually awake now to rebel. would rather sit there and do nothing? 1 person alone cant do anything. it doesnt hurt to try all avenues anyways. stop being a pessimist. | ||
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Wolfe87
United Kingdom22 Posts
If there is anything I can do to help you guys across the pond then please give me suggestions on what I can do. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR | ||
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JohnnyBanana
Canada493 Posts
On December 19 2011 04:36 dudecrush wrote: Yes, please. I am also from Canada and have no voice when it comes to this. Please take a few minutes between games of SC to email your representatives. The rest of the world really appreciates it. No, don't email. Call or meet your rep in person or mail a letter. Rep. Zoe Lofgren said that everything besides those 3 things (this means email/twitter/whatever else) is MUCH, MUCH less significant. Write a letter/call/meet your rep. Seriously, come on Americans. Or you'll fuck the internet for everyone. | ||
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jorge_the_awesome
United States463 Posts
On December 19 2011 07:17 pPingu wrote: Just saw this https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR Bah the white house's website keeps glitching out and I can't sign it. I should try to write a letter to my representative. | ||
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deadmau
960 Posts
On December 19 2011 07:06 Wolfe87 wrote: I live in the United Kingdom and have been spreading this to all my friends family and everyone because this is completely unacceptable. If this really goes through does the US Government think that its populace will just roll over and accept it! I certainly would not. If there is anything I can do to help you guys across the pond then please give me suggestions on what I can do. Thanks for your support, America needs this really bad right now. You must EXPOSE the corruption behind this legistlation SOPA/PIPA, and that is the MPAA (movie industry) & RIAA (Music industry), they are funneling their money into representatives pocket books to get this passed (cough cough douchebag LAMAR SMITH of Texas the sponsor of this bill, and they are doing it in a HURRY before people notice. Please spread the word and expose these evil bastards. There is a lot of misinformation being spread, America does NOT support this. Lamar Smith even stated he doesn't understand the fundamentals of his own bill, great.... US Tech (google, facebook, twitter, zynga, yahoo,etc), US law professors (virtually every prestigious university), majority of US Public, 83 of the Internet's Original Engineers are AGAINST THIS, only the dimwit people in congress that are being swindled by MPAA/RIAA are for this, except for a SELECT few lawmakers. I don't all the names but representative Zoe Lofgren really gets the problem with this bill and has been screaming at the top of her lungs opposing this in Congress, trying her best but she's fighting an uphill battle. She is one of the only ones speaking on behalf of US Tech and Internet Engineers, so please support her and spread this as well. This is someone that gets it. Shiny New Jobs for Congress Staffers behind SOPA -__- and please please, expose the MPAA/RIAA!! Here is their money talking... edit: I don't know all the reps that are anti-SOPA so didn't get to add them thanks for the corrections...GO Lofgren, GO Issa!! Lamar Smith (sopa sponsor) & Patrick Leahy (pipa sponsor) you both burn in hell, and the world needs to give them hell for this!!! | ||
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deadmau
960 Posts
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Zalithian
520 Posts
On December 19 2011 01:41 Phyre wrote: After watching TotalBiscuit's video here on the SOPA act I figured I should go figure out who the senator of NY is and what his/her stance on this is. Turns out he's in favor, wonderful... https://plus.google.com/100663143056312773682/posts/QYGsJCZTvUp I have never gotten politically active before or ever contacted a representative, but this might be the first. I encourage everyone else in New York to flood this guy with mail, calls, email, whatever and try to change his mind. Let him know his constituency does NOT want this. I'm originally lived in NY. Schumer being a dumbass does not surprise me. | ||
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B-Roll
United States403 Posts
I would sooo Vote for her if needed. She is my hero | ||
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Philymaniz
United States177 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On December 19 2011 10:50 deadmau wrote: I watched much of the committee-thingy and she absolutely destroyed every argument put out so easily. It's amazing that she got away with saying that many people in the subcommittee were bought off. I thought they would call her out on that even though she is telling the truth.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHGD95gw1zY&feature=share This is someone that gets it. I hope they keep delaying until after Christmas so more people can learn about what is going on with this. Though there has been almost nothing I've seen on mainstream news channels, probably because they're all owned by corporations that want this to pass so they can stifle competition. Edit: Also, Lofgren is a Democrat. The "Rep" means representative. Issa is a Republican though. This bill isn't party against party; it's informed vs. uninformed where the difference in the two is one learns about the topic while the other cashes cheques and votes blindly. | ||
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JohnnyBanana
Canada493 Posts
On December 19 2011 11:48 Ben... wrote: I watched much of the committee-thingy and she absolutely destroyed every argument put out so easily. It's amazing that she got away with saying that many people in the subcommittee were bought off. I thought they would call her out on that even though she is telling the truth. I hope they keep delaying until after Christmas so more people can learn about what is going on with this. Though there has been almost nothing I've seen on mainstream news channels, probably because they're all owned by corporations that want this to pass so they can stifle competition. It's not being delayed till after Christmas. They're scheduled to meet again on December 21, 2011. The snakes planned a meeting after telling everyone they would wait till 2012. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On December 19 2011 11:59 JohnnyBanana wrote: Yes, I'm aware of that. I mean I hope they keep delaying so it goes until next year so people can spread the word about it.It's not being delayed till after Christmas. They're scheduled to meet again on December 21, 2011. The snakes planned a meeting after telling everyone they would wait till 2012. | ||
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Philymaniz
United States177 Posts
On December 19 2011 11:48 Ben... wrote: I watched much of the committee-thingy and she absolutely destroyed every argument put out so easily. It's amazing that she got away with saying that many people in the subcommittee were bought off. I thought they would call her out on that even though she is telling the truth. I hope they keep delaying until after Christmas so more people can learn about what is going on with this. Though there has been almost nothing I've seen on mainstream news channels, probably because they're all owned by corporations that want this to pass so they can stifle competition. Edit: Also, Lofgren is a Democrat. The "Rep" means representative. Issa is a Republican though. This bill isn't party against party; it's informed vs. uninformed where the difference in the two is one learns about the topic while the other cashes cheques and votes blindly. Yeah Issa and Lofgren ftw. I agree with this so much ^^^ | ||
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JohnnyBanana
Canada493 Posts
On December 19 2011 12:00 Ben... wrote: Yes, I'm aware of that. I mean I hope they keep delaying so it goes until next year so people can spread the word about it. Cool, I'm trying to get my American friends to give a fuck. Most are too absorbed with Battlefield and MW3 to care. Really sad. | ||
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hytonight
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critique
United States135 Posts
On December 19 2011 07:06 Wolfe87 wrote: I don't all the names but Republican Zoe Lofgren really gets the problem with this bill and has been screaming at the top of her lungs opposing this in Congress, trying her best but she's fighting an uphill battle. Zoe Lofgren is a Democrat, thank you very much! I work on the house side of the Hill for the democrats, so legislative debates are right in my wheelhouse. Here's my two cents: If I had to bet, I would bet this doesn't pass. It has to get 60 votes in the senate, and its really hard to get 60 votes on a controversial piece of legislation. When one party strongly supports a bill it can get 60 votes (leadership can twist some arms and try to get a few moderates from the other side), but with neither side totally behind this it seems unlikely. Also, its always much easier for representatives/senators to vote for the status quo than against it. Voters will get pissed if you change something they like, but much less pissed if you just dont fix something they dont like. Second, look at the money. The entertainment industry is for the bill, the tech industry is against it. If you had to have only one of those industries backing you, which one are you picking? I'll take tech every day and twice on sunday. Also, the status quo point applies here too, as well as the impression that the tech industry views this as a more do-or-die bill than the entertainment industry, for whom it would just be a nice boost to profits. The tech lobby has a much better reason to play the 'support us or we are coming after you next november' line, particularly considering some of the tech companies (Google is leading the charge on this) are trying to raise their DC profiles. If a member of congress votes for the bill, a pissed off tech guru could easily drop 50k into the coffers of a super pac that supports the member's opponent in the next election. Congress passes less and less legislation as elections draw nearer (the 'lets not piss anybody off in an election year' corollary), and I feel like the safe move for a member worried about his/her reelection (and a LOT of them are this cycle) is to vote against this. Last, if you are RELLY pissed about this and want to show it, please don't just internet rage. Look up you local member of congress, then look up their reelection committee. If, say, John Smith is your congressman, then johnsmithforcongress.com or johnsmith.com is probably their campaign sight. Just google their name, anything that comes up that doesn't end in .house.gov is probably a campaign website. Find the address and send in a small donation (or donate online) with a note about how much you dont like this bill. It really doesn't have to be a big contribution; $5/10 is fine (particularly if you are 18-25ish). + Show Spoiler + unless your representative is a republican, in which case you shouldnt give them a dime because he/she is the scum of the earth  TL;DR: I'm betting it wont pass, the tech industry has a lot of money and influence. | ||
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