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On December 18 2011 21:09 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 19:05 jchan wrote:On December 18 2011 18:20 ExileR wrote:
Seriously.. I believe that not a lot of people are actually aware of this. Sure it has many, many steps to get through in order to pass, but I think it's better off trying to fight this at this stage early on instead of fighting against it later on and having them say, "well, where were you when we first announced it, didn't seem like much people were against this at the time.. blah blah?" Those congressman seem like the type of people who would do that.
I am making tweets and posts about this trying to get as many people at least aware of what's going on, but most of the time it's without a response or they don't understand or care about what's going on. As of now, I don't think it'll pass because it's such a ridiculous bill to pass that would break our entire community, or at least have us scrambled all over the place for an amount of time. However, with watching the hearings during those 2 days and seeing who some of our lawmakers were, and yes, a lot of them are really old and heartless to me haha. I really think there's actually a chance for this going through because of that alone.
I think it's the casual general public that will be affected the most from this because once it hits, they won't know where to go or what to do. D= I hope people are informing everyone and discussing and taking some sort of action against this. Our freedom is on the line and like Total Biscuit said, they're going to Tactical Nuke our free internet world! O=
Edit: and yeah, I did hear about the 21st being the day they're going resume talks. Kind of disappointed when they said it was postponed until 2012.. Idk what they're doing and why they're really trying to rush this is beyond me. Maybe they're trying to take advantage of every strong person occupying Wallstreet instead of SOPA and they're trying to sneak this bill in while everyone is being caught off guard. That's just my thought though. ive been trying to bring people from reddit, tl.net and srk.com together right now and hoping that everyone will invite their friends. We just stick thru these tyrannical moments and infect the truth one person at a time. Keep fighting the good fight! please join this event and invite others: https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/310481975653415/join this group too: https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/144364919005747/ I hate sopa as much as everyone else but how does joining a facebook group help to stop it? Slacktivism does nothing. Call/mail your congressmen instead and voice your concerns and explain why they shouldn't vote for it.
This is exactly what needs to be done. We all need to call our congressmen and have our voices heard. We need to keep calling and have other people start calling as well. I am not sure why there isn't a giant mob of people outside of these meetings. At least that I'm aware of. =/
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Streamers and video posters on sites like Youtube should sue big Media Companies because they are doing free advertising of music. ^^
(jk)
If I look at the music I listen, there is easely 90% of it that comes from music I hear on streams / videos !
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I think there's a reasonable chance this won't survive. If Obama holds his word I don't see a way it makes this makes it past the Senate in a veto override.
EDIT: That doesn't mean everybody gets a free pass to not care anymore, call your congressman, but more importantly if you have a moderate/centrist Senator please call them moreso.
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I wrote a nice, long, well-thought-out letter to my three representatives.
Only one responded - basically spewing out made-up figures on how much money piracy costs the american workers. Not a thing about rights, lobbying, or any issue other than 'piracy is bad, we need to stop it'.
Even if the point is getting across to anybody in congress, they can still be swayed by incoming money.
I even read that the House has refused to allow any opposing testimony to this bill. This is some disgustingly corrupt shit, and I feel helpless to stop it.
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Spread the words friends!!!
This law its not only for US, its gonna be part of diferent agreements with diferents countrys, like Peru, Australia, etc...
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"Sopa Cola"
- Privacy free
- 0% Freedom
- Tastes like sh*t
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what happened guys? i missed some stuff but i wanna help if it is possible
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On December 19 2011 01:21 darkzuka wrote:
Spread the words friends!!!
This law its not only for US, its gonna be part of diferent agreements with diferents countrys, like Peru, Australia, etc...
On December 19 2011 01:31 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
what happened guys? i missed some stuff but i wanna help if it is possible
Thank you guys for caring and make sure something like SOPA or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement doesn't come to a country near you.
The EU Commission is in a lengthy battle with the Parliament to get this passed ATM.
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After watching TotalBiscuit's video here on the SOPA act I figured I should go figure out who the senator of NY is and what his/her stance on this is. Turns out he's in favor, wonderful...
https://plus.google.com/100663143056312773682/posts/QYGsJCZTvUp
Dear Mr. Anderson:
Thank you for your contacting me in opposition to S.968, the PROTECT IP Act. Like you, I believe that consumers should have access to a vibrant and innovative online community to discuss their ideas and opinions. At the same time, we must not let the internet become a haven for intellectual property thieves.
The threat to intellectual property owners over the internet is clear. Every year, the US Chamber of Commerce estimates that copyright theft costs our nation about $58 billion in lost output, 373,375 in lost jobs, and $16 billion in lost employee earnings. These numbers present an unacceptable burden to US businesses. In addition, companies may be less likely to innovate because their products may be stolen by intellectual property pirates, creating a drag on the US economy.
The PROTECT IP Act addresses the problem of intellectual property theft online, but it also contains important due process protections to ensure that legal activity over the internet is not disrupted. As you may know, the PROTECT IP Act would allow the Department of Justice to file a claim against a website that 1) has no significant purpose other than engaging in or facilitating copyright infringement, circumventing technology controlling access to copyrighted works, or selling or promoting counterfeit goods or services; or (2) is designed, operated, or marketed and used to engage in such activities. A judge would have to find that a website is intentionally violating intellectual property rights of an American entity before he could issue an order against that site. I believe PROTECT IP Act would provide law enforcement and intellectual property holders additional tools to protect American intellectual property from websites while still ensuring the constitutionally protected rights of free speech and due process. The PROTECT IP Act currently is awaiting action on the floor of the Senate, and I will continue to monitor this bill as it moves through the Senate.
Thank you for contacting me on this important issue. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can ever be of assistance to you on this, or any other matter.
Sincerely,
Charles E. Schumer
United States Senator
I have never gotten politically active before or ever contacted a representative, but this might be the first. I encourage everyone else in New York to flood this guy with mail, calls, email, whatever and try to change his mind. Let him know his constituency does NOT want this.
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On December 18 2011 04:32 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 03:50 Roggay wrote:On December 18 2011 03:26 stormtemplar wrote:On December 18 2011 02:40 LunaSea wrote:On December 18 2011 02:29 pPingu wrote:
Is there no way for the population to do a referendum against this law in the us? Probably not, it's an indirect Democraty... Even if it would happend I'm not sure that this will change anything since a lot of people don't really understand the subject (which is very convenient for politicians). Sadly, as california shows, direct democracy sucks too because most people have no idea what the heck their talking about. Switzerland works very well, stop making stuff up. Yes but direct democracy still has some pretty glaring flaws, especially in large populations. It works fine at small levels, but scales in unpredictable and poor ways. Edit: And on top of that, Swiss direct democracy is pretty restricted. Citizens can't call their own laws through, they can only vote on the laws representatives create.
Sorry for the late response, but you statement is actually not true, we can call our own laws through referendum, you just need a set number of signatures and then the law will be considered by professionnal and politician and then voted by the people.
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I wish I could write to my congressman. Unfortunately, I am in Canada. This makes me even more helpless. Even thought it is legislation not being passed in my country, it will affect me just as much.
However, there is nothing I can do to stop it. So please, my American friends, call your congressman on behalf of a fellow TL member. Please make your voice heard for those of us who have none.
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On December 19 2011 01:34 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 01:21 darkzuka wrote:
Spread the words friends!!!
This law its not only for US, its gonna be part of diferent agreements with diferents countrys, like Peru, Australia, etc... Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 01:31 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
what happened guys? i missed some stuff but i wanna help if it is possible Thank you guys for caring and make sure something like SOPA or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement doesn't come to a country near you. The EU Commission is in a lengthy battle with the Parliament to get this passed ATM.
Thank God for the European Parliament...i hope they reject this like the SWIFT nonsense
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The problem with ACTA is that it is not legislation, but an international trade agreement, and hence does not have to pass through all the instances an actual legislative proposal would. I'm not quite sure about all the actual procedures on the EU cases, but some of the main points with that is that they could and tried to keep the entire negotiation form the public eye. Up tilll the point parts of it leaked to the news.
ACTA is almost as bad as SOPA, and it does not need the same kind of support legislation needs to actualy pass.
We live in scary times for sure......
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On December 19 2011 03:15 Aic wrote:
The problem with ACTA is that it is not legislation, but an international trade agreement, and hence does not have to pass through all the instances an actual legislative proposal would. I'm not quite sure about all the actual procedures on the EU cases, but some of the main points with that is that they could and tried to keep the entire negotiation form the public eye. Up tilll the point parts of it leaked to the news.
ACTA is almost as bad as SOPA, and it does not need the same kind of support legislation needs to actualy pass.
We live in scary times for sure......
I'm actually quite sure that ACTA has to pass the European Parliament. At least the Parliament has the right to be informed about everything under the Lisbon Treaty. Sometimes i feel like we should give them real legislative power, the parliament is the institution in the EU i trust the most 
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this thing looks stup.. ridiculous..
how it is now:
everyone is in "panic mode" because the criminal law is almost activated..
how it should be:
people are so relax because they know this law wont pass.. sick and twisted politicians should be in "panic mode".
They are the one who should explain, do wind and hurricane in news telling how important it is to pass this law..
it makes me sad that they are the one who are so relaxed and easy knowing this law will become* legit...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the second amendment written with the intent of allowing the people to stand up to when their government officials become corrupt? To give them a chance to fight back?
Because at this point, I have the idea that it's about time these people get lynched. For the good of the American people and the good of the world.
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If the bill gets passed thru then theres another thing we can do.. ALL STOP LISTENING AND WATCH THEIR as a whole.. now who is going to be that person who rallies everyone in the world to do this.. lol
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On December 19 2011 03:15 Aic wrote:
The problem with ACTA is that it is not legislation, but an international trade agreement, and hence does not have to pass through all the instances an actual legislative proposal would. I'm not quite sure about all the actual procedures on the EU cases, but some of the main points with that is that they could and tried to keep the entire negotiation form the public eye. Up tilll the point parts of it leaked to the news.
ACTA is almost as bad as SOPA, and it does not need the same kind of support legislation needs to actualy pass.
We live in scary times for sure......
Is ACTA considered to be a treaty? If so doesn't congress have to pass it by a 3/4ths votes?
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On December 19 2011 04:19 Thelionheart wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 03:15 Aic wrote:
The problem with ACTA is that it is not legislation, but an international trade agreement, and hence does not have to pass through all the instances an actual legislative proposal would. I'm not quite sure about all the actual procedures on the EU cases, but some of the main points with that is that they could and tried to keep the entire negotiation form the public eye. Up tilll the point parts of it leaked to the news.
ACTA is almost as bad as SOPA, and it does not need the same kind of support legislation needs to actualy pass.
We live in scary times for sure...... Is ACTA considered to be a treaty? If so doesn't congress have to pass it by a 3/4ths votes?
The US have already signed it, its to late for you 
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On December 19 2011 04:19 Thelionheart wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 03:15 Aic wrote:
The problem with ACTA is that it is not legislation, but an international trade agreement, and hence does not have to pass through all the instances an actual legislative proposal would. I'm not quite sure about all the actual procedures on the EU cases, but some of the main points with that is that they could and tried to keep the entire negotiation form the public eye. Up tilll the point parts of it leaked to the news.
ACTA is almost as bad as SOPA, and it does not need the same kind of support legislation needs to actualy pass.
We live in scary times for sure...... Is ACTA considered to be a treaty? If so doesn't congress have to pass it by a 3/4ths votes?
Pretty sure the U.S. already signed ACTA
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