EPTSTOP "PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261)" - Page 67
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Muffinman53
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
On December 20 2011 13:16 Muffinman53 wrote: I started trying to read the actual text to this bill and I wanted to die. The lack of clarity, ridiculous lawyer language, and extreme wordiness in these bills makes me sick. There is no way Congress actually has any idea what they are "actually" voting on. I believe their understanding is "Hey, the internet seems kinda bad. And this says 'copyright' in it." | ||
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dnld12
United States324 Posts
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Seiferz
United States640 Posts
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Glider
United States1353 Posts
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On December 20 2011 13:16 Muffinman53 wrote: I started trying to read the actual text to this bill and I wanted to die. The lack of clarity, ridiculous lawyer language, and extreme wordiness in these bills makes me sick. There is no way Congress actually has any idea what they are "actually" voting on. It's intentional. Bills are usually left vague out of deference for localities or other branches of government (executive, judicial) to fill in later (or push the boundaries). In this case I have no doubt whatsoever the vagueness is out of deference for the digital lobbying groups. Leaving such ambiguity for something with such a large impact is disasterous and one of the biggest power grabs since the PATRIOT Act. | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On December 20 2011 13:13 Honeybadger wrote: How is it legal that we let major corporations throw over FIVE MILLION DOLLARS at the congress members directly? Lobbying is the most hateful, disgusting thing in politics. It's supposed to exist so things like SOPA DON'T pass. It's for the little guy to be heard. Now it's just about the big corporations throwing the money at enough people in order to get their insanity passed. Its all loopholes. The five million is allocated as campaign support donations, completely irrelevant to any particular topic. On paper it would appear harmless, but in reality there is a very real connection between policy and who is getting donated how much and when. Furthermore, many elected officials are not experts at any given field, so when a lobby comes and tries to "inform" them on the issue, they may not fully appreciate how slanted their opinion is. So many may actually think they are doing the "right" thing with the money just greasing the gears. Its really shady stuff. I don't believe as much of conspiracy hype as much as its a combination of self-interested and ignorant people screwing up a system where any sense of honor or justice is replaced my pure selfish or short-sighted opinion. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
Corporations today, were they actually people, would be goddamn sociopaths. Like I said, we need to bring back the anti-trust laws and brutally break up and dissolve corporations caught abusing their power. | ||
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MyNameIsFourteen
United States12 Posts
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deadmau
960 Posts
On December 20 2011 13:06 SenorChang wrote: I find it frustrating that as a non-american this might affect all the major sites I visit. What will their restriction be? Will they be able to bring down sites that aren't based in the US? Most frustrating because I can't even do anything about it lol. Totally wrong, the world needs to speak up on this. There must be clamor. The problem in the U.S. is the the entertainment industry controls the major news corporations and most of the airwaves, news about this bills is hardly even heard on TV/Primetime, you know the way most individuals get their news, unlike us youngins that go to the Internet. If the world speaks, you can help us lowly Americans defeat Hollywood. They are using all their monetary might to push this bill to pass before, the U.S. Public knows. U.S. Tech (Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Twitter, etc), 83 original U.S. Internet engineers, U.S. Law professors have all spoken out against this, but the media controls the airwaves to the majority of the public, but they cannot control the world, let your voices be heard! MPAA/RIAA must be stopped, they are trying to protect their profit methods of old, because they cannot adapt to the future of the Internet. An excellent example is just like how e-Sports is thriving online, instead of TV. They don't want to adapt, they are old geezers hanging on to the past, in the name of "protecting U.S. Jobs" they say, killing "piracy" they say, all a hoax and sham. These oldies in our Congress don't understand the Internet like our generation does, of course they will vote in favor of this bill cause they think it's to kill "piracy." Tech Companies and Internet Experts already have expressed that this bill probably will not achieve that at all, it will just give ridiculous powers to hollywood through the U.S. government. After SOPA/PIPA are passed the U.S.: "We won't have more jobs. We'll be 20 trillion in debt. The Chinese will still be stealing our IP like it's nothing. But we'll have this bill that protects the rich people in Hollywood." In the name of anti-piracy my ass. The U.S. people need the help of the world, more than ever. Thank you OP for your contribution to all of society, this is for everyone, we can do it! | ||
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Bogeyman
Sweden307 Posts
Well, joking aside... if this bill passes I feel really sorry for the US. I mean... if this really passes, shit will go down, nothing will be safe, and who the hell will want to have their websites based in the US? If I understand this correctly, the US citizenship can be blocked via DNS to enter certain websites (even you can bypass it ofc), so for them even sites based outside of the US can be blocked. But again, who will want to have their websites in the US? It's would be a fucking liability! One user posts something copyrighted, and BAM you're shut down. They don't even have to prove there's something copyrighted there to shut it down?! What the hell? And one way or another this could fuck up stuff that it would most definitely affect people outside of the US as well. And it can act as a precedence for laws in other countries. Heck there are laws that are already being planned (or so I heard) that have some similarities. Conspiracy or not, anyone (except those in congress I guess) can see how this can be abused horribly and limit freedom of speech on the internet and hamper creativity and all the wonderful things that this means for us all. If this bill goes through, I think for the first time I simply have to get involved, like "I'll come to your house and tell you about this", and demonstrate every weekend, and even fucking revolt if this bullshit spreads to my country as well. I thought I had seen some stupid internet laws, but this is like a spark of revolution, and I hope people aren't just sitting at home thinking this'll all be fine and someone else will take care of it. | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yjzwu.jpg) I enjoyed this. It's unfortunate that the future of the Internet is being decided by a group of people that are so obviously illiterate in regards to technology. I e-mailed my representative, but I feel so hopeless. | ||
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JethroTV
United States206 Posts
Dear Congressman, I am writing you in regard to the bills known as PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261). This bill is an obvious attempt to allow corporations to overstep their bounds. The power that these bills grant will result in unnecessary and undeserved censorship of material, intellectual property and free speech. To enact these bills would be to follow in the footsteps of regimes which have suppressed their people and suppressed the the flow of free speech that is in fact the internet. I trust that as a representative of your constituents and the United States of America you will do everything within your power to prevent freedom being taken from our people, to prevent SOPA and Protect IP. Your constituent and a concerned American citizen, ----- Also, contact your senators too. http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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BreakerD
United States159 Posts
On December 17 2011 14:17 Cirn9 wrote: On this note: I think the US should spend more on education The internet possess a language of its own so I wouldnt know what your talking about. Wow your pretty smart, going around TL correcting people's language. Sad thing is you're not smart enough to solve this problem LOL. Only way to truly kill this bill is to put money in your representative's or senate's pocket. They don't care about what the people want. | ||
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Hipsv
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Hossinaut
United States453 Posts
On December 20 2011 13:58 nbaker wrote: I wrote my representative. First time ever--hope it works... :/ Same. I can only hope that shit doesnt hit the fan... I don't so much believe in the legislative system of the US, but if they do not fail us in this, they will have earned some measure of respect. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On December 20 2011 16:12 Hipsv wrote: If this is passed I think the time has came for Americans to revolt again. It has been long time coming. I know what i'll be doing when it comes to europe (it's only a question of time if the US gets it). | ||
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