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On December 16 2011 07:16 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:11 aksfjh wrote:On December 16 2011 07:07 eits wrote:
what i do not understand is, under US LAW, bribery in most cases is actually a pretty big deal and they pursue "criminals" who bribe officials/police/etc. Now, how in the fuck do they make lobbyists legal in our government system?
lame Lobbying is actually a great thing. It encompasses much more than just rich companies and people sending gifts to congressmen. Lobbying is exactly what you do when you attempt to contact a congressman about an issue. This is actually pretty true. Lobbyists allow citizens to donate to organizations and "vote" for legislation they want. The issue is when corporations finance things they want that doesn't benefit the average citizen. But yeah, lobbying really isn't a terrible thing.
Who has more wealth, corporations or middle-lower class people? It will never work how it's supposed to.
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On December 16 2011 07:16 jaydubzsc2 wrote:
YES 24-10 YEEEEEE
trolling? We wanted that amendment.. We just lost 10-24. Unless you're Pro-SOPA, I suppose.
The reason they call for recorded vote is 1) waste time, advantageous to those against bill. 2) get the votes recorded so that people are accountable for their votes later down the line.
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On December 16 2011 07:14 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:11 aksfjh wrote:On December 16 2011 07:07 eits wrote:
what i do not understand is, under US LAW, bribery in most cases is actually a pretty big deal and they pursue "criminals" who bribe officials/police/etc. Now, how in the fuck do they make lobbyists legal in our government system?
lame Lobbying is actually a great thing. It encompasses much more than just rich companies and people sending gifts to congressmen. Lobbying is exactly what you do when you attempt to contact a congressman about an issue. unfortunately, lobbying requires money. what ends up happening is rich companies tend to have more time/influence because they have more money to spend. there's nothing wrong with the concept of lobbying. what's wrong is the way it's implemented.
It's what's wrong with the election system. If we had laws and regulations towards national elections which severely limited the influence of money in those elections, then we'd have a system where moneyed lobbyists would be at a much smaller advantage.
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On December 16 2011 07:17 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:16 overt wrote:On December 16 2011 07:11 aksfjh wrote:On December 16 2011 07:07 eits wrote:
what i do not understand is, under US LAW, bribery in most cases is actually a pretty big deal and they pursue "criminals" who bribe officials/police/etc. Now, how in the fuck do they make lobbyists legal in our government system?
lame Lobbying is actually a great thing. It encompasses much more than just rich companies and people sending gifts to congressmen. Lobbying is exactly what you do when you attempt to contact a congressman about an issue. This is actually pretty true. Lobbyists allow citizens to donate to organizations and "vote" for legislation they want. The issue is when corporations finance things they want that doesn't benefit the average citizen. But yeah, lobbying really isn't a terrible thing. Who has more wealth, corporations or middle-lower class people? It will never work how it's supposed to.
Just requires reform. Not an abolishment of lobbying.
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I have to admit, I still "love" the whole Corporation = a person thing.
The quotes were important there.
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On December 16 2011 07:17 eits wrote:
YESSSS TURNED THE FUCK DOWN!
yay more people who have no idea whats going on. are you even listening? they were voting on an amendment that would have improved the bill.
THEY ARE NOT VOTING ON THE BILL TODAY PEOPLE
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On December 16 2011 07:20 driftme wrote:yay more people who have no idea whats going on. are you even listening? they were voting on an amendment that would have improved the bill. THEY ARE NOT VOTING ON THE BILL TODAY PEOPLE
sorry brah, thought it was something else
sorry i hurt you
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one interesting thing is issa was just talking about how we shouldnt be enforcing other countries' copyrights...
but we expect people from other countries to follow our copyrights? hm
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On December 16 2011 07:19 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:17 Serpico wrote:On December 16 2011 07:16 overt wrote:On December 16 2011 07:11 aksfjh wrote:On December 16 2011 07:07 eits wrote:
what i do not understand is, under US LAW, bribery in most cases is actually a pretty big deal and they pursue "criminals" who bribe officials/police/etc. Now, how in the fuck do they make lobbyists legal in our government system?
lame Lobbying is actually a great thing. It encompasses much more than just rich companies and people sending gifts to congressmen. Lobbying is exactly what you do when you attempt to contact a congressman about an issue. This is actually pretty true. Lobbyists allow citizens to donate to organizations and "vote" for legislation they want. The issue is when corporations finance things they want that doesn't benefit the average citizen. But yeah, lobbying really isn't a terrible thing. Who has more wealth, corporations or middle-lower class people? It will never work how it's supposed to. Just requires reform. Not an abolishment of lobbying.
It wont matter as long as the wealth distribution is so lopsided. As long as someone with immense wealth can lobby freely it will be a mess. Reform is irrelevant because there aren't enough politicians that dont benefit from lobbying to support reform.
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hm goodlette made a good point. first one yet =]
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My watching of this stream has opened my eyes at just how ignorant many of our representatives are. The fact that some of them do not even understand the ease one could just bypass the new rules are astounding. What is even more ludicrous is that some representatives are willing to vote on the bill even without testaments by experts and other individuals who actually understand what it is that they are talking about.
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On December 16 2011 07:25 Thelionheart wrote:
My watching of this stream has opened my eyes at just how ignorant many of our representatives are. The fact that some of them do not even understand the ease one could just bypass the new rules are astounding. What is even more ludicrous is that some representatives are willing to vote on the bill even without testaments by experts and other individuals who actually understand what it is that they are talking about.
the only testament they need comes from the wallets of industry
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Surely this bill would never pass with the way they are heavily stacking this bill in a very idiotic fashion! Of course it has to pass through the House of BatShitCrazyRepresentatives! I don't think it could pass the senate unless the whole bill is a poison pill that people will play politics with ("Senator Derp did not vote to stop foreigners from stealing our jobs and to stop the bleeding out of American money from internet piracy! He is the reason you are unemployed!)
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china also censor their internet
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LUL arguing that this amendment will make it so China won't honor our copyrights. Guess what. THEY ALREADY DONT.
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On December 16 2011 07:26 TheAldo wrote:
Surely this bill would never pass with the way they are heavily stacking this bill in a very idiotic fashion! Of course it has to pass through the House of BatShitCrazyRepresentatives! I don't think it could pass the senate unless the whole bill is a poison pill that people will play politics with ("Senator Derp did not vote to stop foreigners from stealing our jobs and to stop the bleeding out of American money from internet piracy! He is the reason you are unemployed!)
The senate judiciary committee already passed PROTECT IP, so theyre farther along than the house is.
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On December 16 2011 07:27 Kazeyonoma wrote:
LUL arguing that this amendment will make it so China won't honor our copyrights. Guess what. THEY ALREADY DONT.
I was gonna say....setting a precedent is so amazingly irrelevant because THEY DONT CARE.
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I can't believe they are even discussing this.This would be practically impossible to enforce and there is no way that they would have sufficient founds for it.
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On December 16 2011 07:31 TheKefka wrote:
I can't believe they are even discussing this.This would be practically impossible to enforce and there is no way that they would have sufficient founds for it.
Shh don't tell them, it's fun watching.
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It is pretty much impossible for SOPA to actually become law. Come on guys...
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