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Moonling
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States987 Posts
November 10 2011 07:22 GMT
#81
Completely for the death penalty for the program, this is just something that goes beyond college football and in order to keep its tradition and heritage needs to deal with Penn State in the most sever way possible
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hai2u
Profile Joined September 2011
688 Posts
November 10 2011 07:35 GMT
#82
NCAA can't do shit to PedoState as this is just a criminal matter and has nothing to do with NCAA regulations.
HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 08:40:09
November 10 2011 07:35 GMT
#83
On November 10 2011 15:08 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 13:17 ampson wrote:
I really feel for Joe Paterno, he was put in a difficult situation and made a mistake. And now he's lost his job and hurt his legacy because of it. However, he should have certainly said something. It sucks so much that people like sandusky fuck it up for everyone.

He was put in a "difficult situation" and "made a mistake"? This isn't someone cheating on his wife or accidentally getting drunk or hitting someone with his car. Those are mistakes.

Someone told him that there was a child being anally raped and he let the guy who did it continue to run a camp with children and molest more victims for ten years. I'd like to think something like this is far beyond "a difficult situation".

It's easy to say this now that we know many of the details of Jerry Sandusky's monstrous actions. However, remove all of that knowledge and the decision probably isn't as black and white as everyone says it is. I'll borrow the words of Drew Magary(a sportswriter for Deadspin and other sites) for a moment(from this excellent/sad article.)

"Sandusky was Paterno's colleague (and one would assume friend) for over three decades. So imagine someone coming up to you and telling you that your friend of 30 years was raping a kid in the shower. Would you believe it? Would you want to believe it? Probably not the first time you hear it. Would you go to the police? What if the grad assistant was wrong and your friend's life is ruined because of a misunderstanding? You might not even want to explore the matter further because you can't tolerate the idea of someone you trusted doing such monstrous things. I think the reason Paterno went to his AD and didn't go to the cops is because it provided him with the chance to have it both ways. This way, he was able to "report" it, without having to be the person who takes the significantly braver step of actually calling the police. Problem solved. Conscience cleared."

Paterno reported it to his boss. He reported it to the vice president of the college. When nothing comes out of sending it up the chain, it's not entirely unreasonable for him to figure the matter was some sort of misunderstanding. Again, pretend you haven't read any of the details you have. You might come to the same conclusion in this situation. It definitely is the conclusion you would want to come to. The other conclusion, the one that says your friend and colleague for 3 decades is an inhuman monster? It's human nature to try to avoid coming to that.

We know nothing about what went through Paterno's head when he was told about the shower incident. We know nothing about what when through his head when he reported it and sent the G.A. to tell his superiors. Don't crucify the man for making a decision that seems horrible to us individuals who probably had never heard of Jerry Sandusky before this scandal came to light.
On November 10 2011 15:46 iSometric wrote:
I wanted to feel bad for Paterno, but I can't ignore the monstrosity that he did in not doing what he should've done...

He fucked up(understandably), has to live with the knowledge that he fucked up, has had his perception of someone he's known for years destroyed, and now has been fired by the only employer he has had since 1950. I think you can safely feel a little sorry for the 84-year old man.

I should probably say that I'm fine with Paterno being fired, although I would have preferred it to be done after the last home game and not over the goddamn phone.


Edit: Apparently I need to say quite clearly that I do not think Paterno's decision was right, but I understand on some level why he might have made it. Also, facetious means flippant or inappropriately humorous, neither of which I am being.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 10 2011 07:47 GMT
#84
HPoirot you have questionable values to me and I believe you represent the facetious argument that drives me away from posting in the general forum with the same frequency as others. Good day.
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Battleaxe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States843 Posts
November 10 2011 07:48 GMT
#85
I think after 40 years as the head coach, and almost 60 being affiliated with PSU, you'd at least let the man finish out the goddamn season.

Obviously what happened is fucking despicable, but I see the same reason Paterno not going to the same reason why the grad assistant didn't go to the police. He's the one that witnessed it for fuck's sake, as a grad assistant you're what..22 years old? I'm sorry but if I saw a grown man fucking a little boy in the shower I would most certainly not only intervene but also go to the fucking police. There's nothing good that will come out this situation, I don't see the harm in letting someone who an icon to an entire fucking population of students and alums alike go out on such a sour note. At least letting Paterno coach and possible win a final bowl game would have allowed him to go out with a small shred of honor.

If there were 1500 students protesting the possibility of Paterno getting fired, I hope the entire school occupies the administration building to get him reinstated, or the football team refuses to play.
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English
Profile Joined April 2010
United States475 Posts
November 10 2011 07:58 GMT
#86
On November 10 2011 16:48 Battleaxe wrote:
I think after 40 years as the head coach, and almost 60 being affiliated with PSU, you'd at least let the man finish out the goddamn season.

Obviously what happened is fucking despicable, but I see the same reason Paterno not going to the same reason why the grad assistant didn't go to the police. He's the one that witnessed it for fuck's sake, as a grad assistant you're what..22 years old? I'm sorry but if I saw a grown man fucking a little boy in the shower I would most certainly not only intervene but also go to the fucking police. There's nothing good that will come out this situation, I don't see the harm in letting someone who an icon to an entire fucking population of students and alums alike go out on such a sour note. At least letting Paterno coach and possible win a final bowl game would have allowed him to go out with a small shred of honor.

If there were 1500 students protesting the possibility of Paterno getting fired, I hope the entire school occupies the administration building to get him reinstated, or the football team refuses to play.


What's the point of finishing the season? His record is tarnished no matter what. It's extremely insensitive to the team to the students to let him be at the game. Is the crowd supposed to cheer or boo?
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 08:01:17
November 10 2011 07:59 GMT
#87
Here we go with the people who prioritize football over real life. Letting him finish the season sends the message that the football team is more important than the indictment.
hai2u
Profile Joined September 2011
688 Posts
November 10 2011 08:04 GMT
#88
they could not have let Joe Paterno finish out the season, that would mean they are continuing to foster and allow an environment where Joe Paterno was above responsibility and accountability. This weekend will be their last home game, do you really want the entire nation to see everyone in the stadium giving Joe Paterno a standing ovation amidst this developing scandal? And when they go on away games, the opposite will happen.
Atrain1982
Profile Joined March 2011
United States23 Posts
November 10 2011 08:26 GMT
#89
I was an athlete at PSU from 2000 to 2005. My parents met at PSU. I grew hearing how great of a man Paterno was, and I am really not sure what to think of his firing. I want to say he should have been able to coach the rest of the season, but I am just not sure that was realistic or appropriate. When you go on a recruiting trip to PSU, they tell you up front that the image of the University is sacrad, and anything deemed to tarnish that image will not be tolerated. As an athlete that meant you would be dismissed from the team. For the administration it apparently means cover up any scandals before anyone outside the university finds out about them. Knowing how the administration operated, covering up incidents that would make the university look bad is not surprising. The fact that they would not handle something of this magnitude in an appropriate fashion is beyond comprehension for me. So much for winning with honor.
b0ngt0ss
Profile Joined July 2011
259 Posts
November 10 2011 08:37 GMT
#90
I don't understand...didn't these kids who were abused tell their parents who in turn would notify the police?

However I've heard that some people, when attacked in such a way, wouldn't tell anybody..I guess what I'm saying is why are we just hearing about this now?
tronix
Profile Joined November 2010
United States95 Posts
November 10 2011 08:57 GMT
#91
I find it unfortunate that Paterno is taking the brunt of this media attack; when the fact is there were many other people who knew of the situation yet pushed it under the rug. I'm also feeling a strong self righteousness vibe to a lot of posts in this thread, which I think is not needed. Any one with reason can see that the situation, for everyone involved, included many variables which we will probably never know.

If you read the jury report even university police detectives witnessed a convo of Sandusky admitting to showering and touching a boy and only advised him not to do so again. Also the Korean War veteran who said that what he witnessed was the most disturbing thing he has ever seen; failed to act in fear of losing his job. Where is the crusade to bring justice to them? People just want someone to point a finger at imo.



ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 10:09:46
November 10 2011 10:02 GMT
#92
On November 10 2011 15:11 discodancer wrote:
I don't understand why you guys mourn the school itself like it's dropped value. Unless you are in a sports program or a fan of football - why would this even affect you? I'm disgusted by the way some students act about it today, but in 10 years no one is going to look at your diploma and say "oh that's the rapist domain" or w/e. I'm sure half the students don't even give a fuck about sports just like everywhere else and this incident is just a sick weird incident to them, no more than that.



I wouldn't say the school has dropped value to the outside world once it passes out of the news cycle, but it and the community have pretty much changed forever, it's the end of an era (not just in football, for the community as a whole), which I'm not sure whether it should be mourned or not if it was based on more illusion than realistic ideas.

This piece has some of the best bits of illustration as to what I mean that I've found:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state

I really felt the same way as a lot of that even though I'm not as tied to the community or was ever as football-obsessed, and it really seemed like most of the people around me at school there did too. There's a reason it's always been called Happy Valley (which horribly sounds perverse now). Going there really felt like entering a bubble to a different, more benevolent world tucked away beneath the surrounding hills. Even though the football zealotry seemed sometimes kooky or a misplacement of priorities, the shared experience it created seemed like a powerfully good thing, and it permeates the community. And Joe Paterno was the presiding almost mythic figure, even taken out of the context of football. As much a legend as a person, representing all sorts of concepts, stories, etc.. All of that is shattered now, and a large portion of the culture will be completely changed because it can't be thought of so continually naively with the same benevolent draw.

No, not everyone follows football, but if this strongly affects the perceptions of half the population there, that's such a material difference that would completely change the atmosphere in public. And the economy of the area and the school is so linked to football.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
cydial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States750 Posts
November 10 2011 10:14 GMT
#93
Who gives a fuck what happened to Paterno, what's important is if Flash and Jaedong switch to sc2 or stick to Brood War for another year.

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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
November 10 2011 10:27 GMT
#94
This is so frustrating. It is one thing to see something horrible happening, it is another to turn your back on it for whatever reason. Wrong is wrong. There are something that I don't agree with and have to tolerate in life for whatever reason, but there is a line when it involves molestation/rape/abuse that, as a father of a wonderful son, I could not imagine allowing to happen.

My son is almost 3 years old and I often think about these things and fear putting him in a position where these kinds of things could happen. Don't get me wrong, I am not someone that shelters him constantly, but I am aware that these atrocities can happen...even around people you think you can trust.

I just hope they nail these assholes to the wall for everything.
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Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
November 10 2011 10:37 GMT
#95
Everyone involved in this coverup should be taken to the judge who put that pedophilia browsing guy away for life.

And if the judge doesn't show some integrity, he deserves jail time himself.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17247 Posts
November 10 2011 10:41 GMT
#96
I'm more surprised that they fired Paterno than anything.
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IndridCold
Profile Joined August 2010
United States385 Posts
November 10 2011 11:25 GMT
#97
I love Penn State, i love paterno, i do now and always will. I've argued this so much the past few days that im just tired of it. The media witch hunted paterno because he "didn't do enough" whatever the fuck that means. He isn't qualified to investigate the accusations that were given to him, he gave them to campus authorities like he should have. Theres no fbi in state college, theres the state college police and the campus police, and the campus police is probably the bigger of the 2. People wanna say he didn't do enough but theres no facts for that. In hindsight everyone of us would change alot of things. People dont get that opportunity most times. The whole scandal and the backlash has been disgusting, every part of it.


Its a sad day in state college........
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 11:33:50
November 10 2011 11:33 GMT
#98
On November 10 2011 20:25 IndridCold wrote:
I love Penn State, i love paterno, i do now and always will. I've argued this so much the past few days that im just tired of it. The media witch hunted paterno because he "didn't do enough" whatever the fuck that means. He isn't qualified to investigate the accusations that were given to him, he gave them to campus authorities like he should have. Theres no fbi in state college, theres the state college police and the campus police, and the campus police is probably the bigger of the 2. People wanna say he didn't do enough but theres no facts for that. In hindsight everyone of us would change alot of things. People dont get that opportunity most times. The whole scandal and the backlash has been disgusting, every part of it.


Its a sad day in state college........



He didnt do enough because he didnt follow up on shit.

Sandusky was supposedly on campus last week rofl. You don't think Joe Paterno could have gone to someone and been like "hey wtf is going on.......... why is Sandusky still here? Haven't we been looking into him for a while?" Not to mention..... Hes Joe Paterno. He could just leak shit to the media or something if he wanted. Everyone involved in this who didnt follow up with things and knew Sandusky had still been on campus for 10 years needs to be fired.



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Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
November 10 2011 11:34 GMT
#99
On November 10 2011 20:25 IndridCold wrote:
I love Penn State, i love paterno, i do now and always will. I've argued this so much the past few days that im just tired of it. The media witch hunted paterno because he "didn't do enough" whatever the fuck that means. He isn't qualified to investigate the accusations that were given to him, he gave them to campus authorities like he should have. Theres no fbi in state college, theres the state college police and the campus police, and the campus police is probably the bigger of the 2. People wanna say he didn't do enough but theres no facts for that. In hindsight everyone of us would change alot of things. People dont get that opportunity most times. The whole scandal and the backlash has been disgusting, every part of it.


Its a sad day in state college........


While I understand there may very well be a witch hunt taking place, I do wonder what Paterno would have done if it would have been his son/grandson/nephew. Would he just have told the higher ups as the law required ?(and what he did in this case). Or would he have taken it further and made sure something came of it?

(either way it is a sad day because Paterno was one of the few coaches who supposedly did things right in college football).
Also, given his age I wonder if this will push him towards his grave. So many coaches pass away soon after they leave the game.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 10 2011 11:35 GMT
#100
Can someone tell me why Spanier and Paterno got fired? It seems to me that they had minimal involvement in the scandal and shaky evidence against them that they tried to cover it up.
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