EPTJerry Sandusky and PSU - Page 5
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
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hai2u
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
On November 10 2011 15:08 Hot_Bid wrote: He was put in a "difficult situation" and "made a mistake"? This isn't someone cheating on his wife or accidentally getting drunk or hitting someone with his car. Those are mistakes. Someone told him that there was a child being anally raped and he let the guy who did it continue to run a camp with children and molest more victims for ten years. I'd like to think something like this is far beyond "a difficult situation". It's easy to say this now that we know many of the details of Jerry Sandusky's monstrous actions. However, remove all of that knowledge and the decision probably isn't as black and white as everyone says it is. I'll borrow the words of Drew Magary(a sportswriter for Deadspin and other sites) for a moment(from this excellent/sad article.) "Sandusky was Paterno's colleague (and one would assume friend) for over three decades. So imagine someone coming up to you and telling you that your friend of 30 years was raping a kid in the shower. Would you believe it? Would you want to believe it? Probably not the first time you hear it. Would you go to the police? What if the grad assistant was wrong and your friend's life is ruined because of a misunderstanding? You might not even want to explore the matter further because you can't tolerate the idea of someone you trusted doing such monstrous things. I think the reason Paterno went to his AD and didn't go to the cops is because it provided him with the chance to have it both ways. This way, he was able to "report" it, without having to be the person who takes the significantly braver step of actually calling the police. Problem solved. Conscience cleared." Paterno reported it to his boss. He reported it to the vice president of the college. When nothing comes out of sending it up the chain, it's not entirely unreasonable for him to figure the matter was some sort of misunderstanding. Again, pretend you haven't read any of the details you have. You might come to the same conclusion in this situation. It definitely is the conclusion you would want to come to. The other conclusion, the one that says your friend and colleague for 3 decades is an inhuman monster? It's human nature to try to avoid coming to that. We know nothing about what went through Paterno's head when he was told about the shower incident. We know nothing about what when through his head when he reported it and sent the G.A. to tell his superiors. Don't crucify the man for making a decision that seems horrible to us individuals who probably had never heard of Jerry Sandusky before this scandal came to light. On November 10 2011 15:46 iSometric wrote: I wanted to feel bad for Paterno, but I can't ignore the monstrosity that he did in not doing what he should've done... He fucked up(understandably), has to live with the knowledge that he fucked up, has had his perception of someone he's known for years destroyed, and now has been fired by the only employer he has had since 1950. I think you can safely feel a little sorry for the 84-year old man. I should probably say that I'm fine with Paterno being fired, although I would have preferred it to be done after the last home game and not over the goddamn phone. Edit: Apparently I need to say quite clearly that I do not think Paterno's decision was right, but I understand on some level why he might have made it. Also, facetious means flippant or inappropriately humorous, neither of which I am being. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Battleaxe
United States843 Posts
Obviously what happened is fucking despicable, but I see the same reason Paterno not going to the same reason why the grad assistant didn't go to the police. He's the one that witnessed it for fuck's sake, as a grad assistant you're what..22 years old? I'm sorry but if I saw a grown man fucking a little boy in the shower I would most certainly not only intervene but also go to the fucking police. There's nothing good that will come out this situation, I don't see the harm in letting someone who an icon to an entire fucking population of students and alums alike go out on such a sour note. At least letting Paterno coach and possible win a final bowl game would have allowed him to go out with a small shred of honor. If there were 1500 students protesting the possibility of Paterno getting fired, I hope the entire school occupies the administration building to get him reinstated, or the football team refuses to play. | ||
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English
United States475 Posts
On November 10 2011 16:48 Battleaxe wrote: I think after 40 years as the head coach, and almost 60 being affiliated with PSU, you'd at least let the man finish out the goddamn season. Obviously what happened is fucking despicable, but I see the same reason Paterno not going to the same reason why the grad assistant didn't go to the police. He's the one that witnessed it for fuck's sake, as a grad assistant you're what..22 years old? I'm sorry but if I saw a grown man fucking a little boy in the shower I would most certainly not only intervene but also go to the fucking police. There's nothing good that will come out this situation, I don't see the harm in letting someone who an icon to an entire fucking population of students and alums alike go out on such a sour note. At least letting Paterno coach and possible win a final bowl game would have allowed him to go out with a small shred of honor. If there were 1500 students protesting the possibility of Paterno getting fired, I hope the entire school occupies the administration building to get him reinstated, or the football team refuses to play. What's the point of finishing the season? His record is tarnished no matter what. It's extremely insensitive to the team to the students to let him be at the game. Is the crowd supposed to cheer or boo? | ||
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andrewlt
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hai2u
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Atrain1982
United States23 Posts
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b0ngt0ss
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However I've heard that some people, when attacked in such a way, wouldn't tell anybody..I guess what I'm saying is why are we just hearing about this now? | ||
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tronix
United States95 Posts
If you read the jury report even university police detectives witnessed a convo of Sandusky admitting to showering and touching a boy and only advised him not to do so again. Also the Korean War veteran who said that what he witnessed was the most disturbing thing he has ever seen; failed to act in fear of losing his job. Where is the crusade to bring justice to them? People just want someone to point a finger at imo. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 10 2011 15:11 discodancer wrote: I don't understand why you guys mourn the school itself like it's dropped value. Unless you are in a sports program or a fan of football - why would this even affect you? I'm disgusted by the way some students act about it today, but in 10 years no one is going to look at your diploma and say "oh that's the rapist domain" or w/e. I'm sure half the students don't even give a fuck about sports just like everywhere else and this incident is just a sick weird incident to them, no more than that. I wouldn't say the school has dropped value to the outside world once it passes out of the news cycle, but it and the community have pretty much changed forever, it's the end of an era (not just in football, for the community as a whole), which I'm not sure whether it should be mourned or not if it was based on more illusion than realistic ideas. This piece has some of the best bits of illustration as to what I mean that I've found: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state I really felt the same way as a lot of that even though I'm not as tied to the community or was ever as football-obsessed, and it really seemed like most of the people around me at school there did too. There's a reason it's always been called Happy Valley (which horribly sounds perverse now). Going there really felt like entering a bubble to a different, more benevolent world tucked away beneath the surrounding hills. Even though the football zealotry seemed sometimes kooky or a misplacement of priorities, the shared experience it created seemed like a powerfully good thing, and it permeates the community. And Joe Paterno was the presiding almost mythic figure, even taken out of the context of football. As much a legend as a person, representing all sorts of concepts, stories, etc.. All of that is shattered now, and a large portion of the culture will be completely changed because it can't be thought of so continually naively with the same benevolent draw. No, not everyone follows football, but if this strongly affects the perceptions of half the population there, that's such a material difference that would completely change the atmosphere in public. And the economy of the area and the school is so linked to football. | ||
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cydial
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
My son is almost 3 years old and I often think about these things and fear putting him in a position where these kinds of things could happen. Don't get me wrong, I am not someone that shelters him constantly, but I am aware that these atrocities can happen...even around people you think you can trust. I just hope they nail these assholes to the wall for everything. | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
And if the judge doesn't show some integrity, he deserves jail time himself. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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IndridCold
United States385 Posts
Its a sad day in state college........ | ||
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Sadist
United States7220 Posts
On November 10 2011 20:25 IndridCold wrote: I love Penn State, i love paterno, i do now and always will. I've argued this so much the past few days that im just tired of it. The media witch hunted paterno because he "didn't do enough" whatever the fuck that means. He isn't qualified to investigate the accusations that were given to him, he gave them to campus authorities like he should have. Theres no fbi in state college, theres the state college police and the campus police, and the campus police is probably the bigger of the 2. People wanna say he didn't do enough but theres no facts for that. In hindsight everyone of us would change alot of things. People dont get that opportunity most times. The whole scandal and the backlash has been disgusting, every part of it. Its a sad day in state college........ He didnt do enough because he didnt follow up on shit. Sandusky was supposedly on campus last week rofl. You don't think Joe Paterno could have gone to someone and been like "hey wtf is going on.......... why is Sandusky still here? Haven't we been looking into him for a while?" Not to mention..... Hes Joe Paterno. He could just leak shit to the media or something if he wanted. Everyone involved in this who didnt follow up with things and knew Sandusky had still been on campus for 10 years needs to be fired. | ||
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On November 10 2011 20:25 IndridCold wrote: I love Penn State, i love paterno, i do now and always will. I've argued this so much the past few days that im just tired of it. The media witch hunted paterno because he "didn't do enough" whatever the fuck that means. He isn't qualified to investigate the accusations that were given to him, he gave them to campus authorities like he should have. Theres no fbi in state college, theres the state college police and the campus police, and the campus police is probably the bigger of the 2. People wanna say he didn't do enough but theres no facts for that. In hindsight everyone of us would change alot of things. People dont get that opportunity most times. The whole scandal and the backlash has been disgusting, every part of it. Its a sad day in state college........ While I understand there may very well be a witch hunt taking place, I do wonder what Paterno would have done if it would have been his son/grandson/nephew. Would he just have told the higher ups as the law required ?(and what he did in this case). Or would he have taken it further and made sure something came of it? (either way it is a sad day because Paterno was one of the few coaches who supposedly did things right in college football). Also, given his age I wonder if this will push him towards his grave. So many coaches pass away soon after they leave the game. | ||
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Sufficiency
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