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On November 10 2011 13:11 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 07:52 p4NDemik wrote:
I read about this story earlier today. What he's accused of doing, using charities to sexually molest boys, using his role on the team to entice the boys and then abuse them, its sickening. Then university officials trying to cover it up after coaches alerted them and he subsequently stepped down from his coaching position at the same time. Paterno (the head coach) tried to resign at the end of the season, but the Board of Trustees just fired him an hour ago.+ Show Spoiler +
It's worth noting for non-Americans that college football is HUGE in the US, bigger than some professional sports, and Coach Paterno was literally one of the most powerful people at the school. More powerful than most of the administrators and arguably second in power to the president of the school. The Board tried to make him quit 5 years ago and he basically told them no.
And Penn State is one of the oldest and largest schools in the country. I think it has a bigger alumni pool than anywhere else in the country.
And it's not just Paterno at fault. The President of the school was fired, and likely most of the football staff will be gone too. There were several people who knew about it and they all covered it up. Sandusky was even caught twice, first in 1998 and again in 2002.
A small measure of justice as been served. This situation has gone from oh my god to beyond ...
just...
disgusting.
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Hong Kong9157 Posts
On November 08 2011 07:40 Jacko11 wrote:
Yea saw the news this morning. Shoulda done more reaseach before I went to Penn State, now im stuck here
Unless you are on the football team, this doesn't affect you much.
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Well, 2011 has certainly been an ugly year as far as off the field issues go.
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On November 10 2011 13:17 ampson wrote:
I really feel for Joe Paterno, he was put in a difficult situation and made a mistake. And now he's lost his job and hurt his legacy because of it. However, he should have certainly said something. It sucks so much that people like sandusky fuck it up for everyone.
How was he put in a difficult position? He was aware of the allegations and did nothing. He, among other administrators, are equally responsible for all the ensuing sexual abuse that happened after 1998. He had not only a moral obligation but a legal one to report it.
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sad that people seem to be more interested in the mans football legacy than proper justice. Why would you 'feel' for this man who let sexual abuse happen and did nothing? being a good football coach doesn't justify turning the other cheek to sick crimes.
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United States22883 Posts
I think the reasons Paterno is getting more focus than Sandusky is because people know Sandusky is going to get what's coming, whereas Paterno was mostly unscathed until earlier tonight, and that he had as much power to stop it as anyone. It seems like there's a lot of people guilty of conspiracy on this. :/
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I definitely feel for Joe Paterno. What he did was wrong, and he could've acted, but he at least acted better than Sandusky or Spanier or the others. It's a shame for him to go out like this, but really, he did put it on himself.
He was put in a tough situation though, I think anyone who says otherwise is a bit naive. How many people say for sure they wouldn't have been scared to go out as well? There was a bit on the line back then, and he made the mistake of holding back.
I just hope this doesn't get out of hand. Hopefully, with this cleaning of the house, things can just blow over as soon as all is settled and we can get back to our normal university life.
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Its not that simple. I mean, let me get it out of the way first off that obviously he made a mistake and should have brought everything to light when it first came up.
But in his mind I am 100% certain he was protecting his players. (Not Sandusky he had allready let go etc. Cant see why he should have given a shit about him.) These guys/kids/young men who were playing for him were living their dreams, and make no mistake. It WOULD have destroyed the Penn State program for years. (just like it is now)
This doesn't justify or exonerate it. But yeah.
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None of those who knew went to the Police, which includes Paterno. I'm sure the Police will have questions soon enough.
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On November 10 2011 13:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
None of those who knew went to the Police, which includes Paterno. I'm sure the Police will have questions soon enough.
This is true, but police won't have anything to do to Paterno though. As in, he's not in any legal trouble. In 2002, he did perform his legal duties and reported to his superiors at the time, so he's not gonna be indited like the others were. his reputation and job are the only things at stake here I believe.
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Disgusting, Paterno should be fired. The University should be hit with heavy sanctions. All of them should be in jail, if the kid in florida gets life for possession of child porn, then these people should be put away for life as well.
Quoted for so much truth.
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So Penn State students who protesting are now damaging property... Really?
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I doubt we've seen the end of the list of people involved(this whole thing screams massive coverup). This is already a monumental scandal, but when it's all done I wouldn't be shocked if it's the biggest scandal in the history of collegiate athletics(I mean, even just as a criminal happening, this is one of the most major stories in some time).
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Paterno could not legally go to the police, since anything he could say would be hearsay and defamation. I don't understand why so many people are blindly out for blood.
The riots here are getting pretty serious, it's kind of scary. From what I here there's quite a bit of property damage and use of tear gas.
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Let's keep in mind that someone TOLD joe paterno about the sexual conduct, he never SAW anything. He also was told this ONCE, and did the appropriate thing by reporting to AD, who did NOTHING. AD is the real bad guy. Not saying that joe paterno shouldn't have fired/investigated more, but people need to keep this in mind. It wasn't like he saw the rapes occur and did nothing
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It's ridiculous how many of these people involved first and foremost intentions was to protect Sandusky's and PSU's reputations. Let's let this sick fuck ruin more young boys lives and keep it on the down low, because it would just be too embarrassing to report it. This shit happens so often it's not even funny. I bet if a Penn State janitor was caught molesting kids, he'd be turned to the cops in a fucking second.
I seriously get so fucking pissed at all the special treatment people in America get, from government officials to CEO's to high ranking members of major universities. They aren't above the law and their reputation can lick everyone's asshole, we're talking about peoples lives being totally fucked over vs sparing someones god damn credibility/reputation etc.
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Can't believe the Students running around like idiots, protesting in favor of keeping Paterno. Blind school allegience.
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Follow the money.
8-1 this year. Only loss to Alabama.
On their way to the Big 10 championship game, then to a nice bowl payoff.
But there is NO BOWL that would want to take them if JoePa was still their coach.
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United States22883 Posts
On November 10 2011 13:52 seRapH wrote:
Paterno could not legally go to the police, since anything he could say would be hearsay and defamation.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
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As a student at Penn State (currently waiting out the riots/etc inside, doing work 'cause I have too much shit to get done to have time to wrap my head around the situation that has developed over the past few days) all I can say is this has left the community in a daze. Everyone's pissed, sad, upset, angry, etc but I think we can all agree that major steps/actions need to be taken. I honestly don't even know how to express how I feel, it's weird how hard something like this hits you. The majority of the kids down town rioting don't even know why the hell they're there except that it gives them an excuse to go crazy. This whole thing is just fucking disappointing.
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