On November 10 2011 13:52 seRapH wrote: Paterno could not legally go to the police, since anything he could say would be hearsay and defamation. I don't understand why so many people are blindly out for blood.
The riots here are getting pretty serious, it's kind of scary. From what I here there's quite a bit of property damage and use of tear gas.
That's accusations in open court. He could have gone to the police and notified them he at the very least strongly suspected abuse to be going on. Instead he covered it up.
These students are acting completely incongruous with my own thoughts and I think it's best if I just leave it at that.
College football is just disgusting and corrupt to the core. The entire culture around it is a travesty. The fact that people are sorry for Paterno just shows how warped the morals and priorities of people around college football are.
Coaches are lionized for winning and people talk about their high "moral" character just because the program is successful. Coaches don't care about educating and teaching good character, just protecting the playing time of their players. Paterno has a reputation of being extremely soft on the off the field antics of his players, even ones that result in trouble with the law. Urban Meyer ran a penal colony in Florida a few years back and he somehow managed to take the high road because he had Tebow. Rodriguez. Leach. Carroll. The list just goes on and on.
The fact that they covered it up means that an SMU-style death denalty should be in order. If anything deserves it, it's this.
On November 10 2011 13:52 seRapH wrote: Paterno could not legally go to the police, since anything he could say would be hearsay and defamation. I don't understand why so many people are blindly out for blood.
The riots here are getting pretty serious, it's kind of scary. From what I here there's quite a bit of property damage and use of tear gas.
That's accusations in open court. He could have gone to the police and notified them he at the very least strongly suspected abuse to be going on. Instead he covered it up.
These students are acting completely incongruous with my own thoughts and I think it's best if I just leave it at that.
Not to mention he could've made McQueary go to the police and report it.
He was put in a tough situation but the answer should still be simple. Moral ethics vs. his comfortable lifestyle. I can't fathom any reason why you wouldn't go to the police. It could be a whole conspiracy that kept him from coming forward, but the inaction is still appalling.
And he still has the nerves to try to go through until the end of the season? Does he care about the team at all? Think of awkwardness and confusion in the crowd at some players' last game there. It puts everyone in a tough spot. Should they cheer for their team, or not? His insensitivity leads me to believe he only cares about himself, throwing conspiracy out the window.
Coaches are lionized for winning and people talk about their high "moral" character just because the program is successful. Coaches don't care about educating and teaching good character, just protecting the playing time of their players.
Quite the contrary actually, Paterno did a lot for Penn State academically.
On November 10 2011 14:10 andrewlt wrote: Coaches are lionized for winning and people talk about their high "moral" character just because the program is successful. Coaches don't care about educating and teaching good character, just protecting the playing time of their players.
If you think Paterno is held in such high regard simply as a result of his football accomplishments you really have no understanding of this situation.
On November 10 2011 13:52 seRapH wrote: Paterno could not legally go to the police, since anything he could say would be hearsay and defamation. I don't understand why so many people are blindly out for blood.
The riots here are getting pretty serious, it's kind of scary. From what I here there's quite a bit of property damage and use of tear gas.
That's accusations in open court. He could have gone to the police and notified them he at the very least strongly suspected abuse to be going on. Instead he covered it up.
These students are acting completely incongruous with my own thoughts and I think it's best if I just leave it at that.
Not to mention he could've made McQueary go to the police and report it.
Yeah I wrote that briefly with the bare minimum of thought. Look.. JoePa may go to jail (fat chance) over keeping silent, it's completely the opposite way around seRapH.
This is serious shit.
I can't believe.. well actually I can but I"m still appalled news stories are talking about Football possibilities like that is even remotely relevant. When your team dies in a plane crash you go on. When your university was facilitating the molestation and penetration of minors through negligence you need to shut the fuck up about sports and focus.
It's about to get bad. Crowd moving in on cops — @greggdoyelcbs
Good fucking riddance to Paterno and I hope more heads roll soon after. Ps. the interim has been with him since 1980. That whole damn house should be cleaned.
Also, I hope the cops beat the fuck out of those idiots rioting. They've flipped two news vans and started a few fires now in the name of someone who facilitated child molestation.
If anyone is interested in following this a little more "real time" @OnwardState (twitter link) is doing a pretty good job keeping on top of things. The riot has gotten pretty out of hand. A news truck has been flipped, smoke bombs/fireworks are going off, telephone poles are being pulled down and the cops are breaking out shields/mace/etc to disperse crowds. As a student here I'm pretty ashamed at how these kids are reacting.
There you go Hawk. Things are getting fucking sideways. I hope everyone is okay regardless of how asinine it may be to protest over THIS. You don't have to feel like it's your schools fault.. FSU.. Texas.. UMiami.. any school with a tradition or obsession with football I can see this happening...
I apologize they ran this article 47 minutes ago and I thought it was immediate instead of from earlier today. Still relevant though, just not as relevant. JoePas statement on resigning earlier today:
Penn State football coach Joe Paterno released the following statement Wednesday:
"I am disappointed with the Board of Trustees' decision, but I have to accept it.
A tragedy occurred, and we all have to have patience to let the legal process proceed. I appreciate the outpouring of support but want to emphasize that everyone should remain calm and please respect the university, its property and all that we value.
I have been incredibly blessed to spend my entire career working with people I love. I am grateful beyond words to all of the coaches, players and staff who have been a part of this program. And to all of our fans and supporters, my family and I will be forever in your debt."
Earlier Wednesday, Paterno released a statement saying he planned to retire at the end of the season:
"I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.
I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.
That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.
This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.
My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University."
On November 10 2011 14:30 Probe1 wrote: You don't have to feel like it's your schools fault.. FSU.. Texas.. UMiami.. any school with a tradition or obsession with football I can see this happening...
I know it isn't, and honestly I can weirdly understand the reaction. This place is so entrenched in tradition/etc it's crazy. Like I said earlier it's hard to explain how hard this type of thing hits you. It's just upsetting that the only aspect of this the rest of the world will see and judge us on is these idiotic reactions.
Yeah I didn't just mention my school because I was admitting we're all the same.. it's traditional schools. We're crazy about football. It's part of how we are.. I'm having a tough time putting myself in a Penn State student/fans shoes and imagining what it'd be like.
Years ago when I lived in Belarus, my friends that did pentathlon told me how their maintenance guy was basically fucked in the head, he would let teenagers skip classes and hang out in his room where he had computers, VCR and some other shit, once presented with an opportunity he tried to sex them up by offering blowjobs or handjobs, I can't rem the details. No one seemed outraged back then, we kind of laughed it off. One older guy who even went to the Olympics once told us how he was passed out at a party and woke up to this guy sucking his dick lol. As a whole society is nowhere as educated on these matters as people are here, nobody ever thought of complaining or informing higher ups ( we were like 15-16)
If you fired Paterno how does McQuery keep his job? And I really don't see how you don't fire the entire staff, they have all been there for 10-30 yrs, anything JoePa knew about they likely knew as well
On November 10 2011 14:44 feanor1 wrote: If you fired Paterno how does McQuery keep his job? And I really don't see how you don't fire the entire staff, they have all been there for 10-30 yrs, anything JoePa knew about they likely knew as well
This is something that a lot of people (myself included) are confused about. Sandusky is out on bail until December and McQueary/Curley are still on the Penn State payroll.
On November 10 2011 14:51 Probe1 wrote: Picture of the protest.
Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
On November 10 2011 14:27 Hawk wrote: Good fucking riddance to Paterno and I hope more heads roll soon after. Ps. the interim has been with him since 1980. That whole damn house should be cleaned.
Also, I hope the cops beat the fuck out of those idiots rioting. They've flipped two news vans and started a few fires now in the name of someone who facilitated child molestation.
LoL I can't believe these people's priorities, shit is so backwards. Gives football fans a horrible image.
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