On November 10 2011 14:44 feanor1 wrote: If you fired Paterno how does McQuery keep his job? And I really don't see how you don't fire the entire staff, they have all been there for 10-30 yrs, anything JoePa knew about they likely knew as well
This is something that a lot of people (myself included) are confused about. Sandusky is out on bail until December and McQueary/Curley are still on the Penn State payroll.
Every single one should be gone. I would say I feel bad about the players who had nada to do with this, until there were those reports of seniors not wanting to play saturday in protest. To which I say scrap every fucking thing.
On the positive side, this thing allows me to quickly pick out idiots on my facebook feed!
I have been a fan of penn state all of my life. My mom,step mom,dad,cousin,and grandparents all went to PSU. I am a junior right now in highschool. My opinion of PSU has plummeted. I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I guess I could settle with an in state school like OSU...
On November 10 2011 14:51 Probe1 wrote: Picture of the protest.
Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
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On November 10 2011 14:06 thReNody wrote: As a student at Penn State (currently waiting out the riots/etc inside, doing work 'cause I have too much shit to get done to have time to wrap my head around the situation that has developed over the past few days) all I can say is this has left the community in a daze. Everyone's pissed, sad, upset, angry, etc but I think we can all agree that major steps/actions need to be taken. I honestly don't even know how to express how I feel, it's weird how hard something like this hits you. The majority of the kids down town rioting don't even know why the hell they're there except that it gives them an excuse to go crazy. This whole thing is just fucking disappointing.
On November 08 2011 07:52 p4NDemik wrote: I read about this story earlier today. What he's accused of doing, using charities to sexually molest boys, using his role on the team to entice the boys and then abuse them, its sickening. Then university officials trying to cover it up after coaches alerted them and he subsequently stepped down from his coaching position at the same time.
Paterno (the head coach) tried to resign at the end of the season, but the Board of Trustees just fired him an hour ago.
It's worth noting for non-Americans that college football is HUGE in the US, bigger than some professional sports, and Coach Paterno was literally one of the most powerful people at the school. More powerful than most of the administrators and arguably second in power to the president of the school. The Board tried to make him quit 5 years ago and he basically told them no.
And Penn State is one of the oldest and largest schools in the country. I think it has a bigger alumni pool than anywhere else in the country.
And it's not just Paterno at fault. The President of the school was fired, and likely most of the football staff will be gone too. There were several people who knew about it and they all covered it up. Sandusky was even caught twice, first in 1998 and again in 2002.
Sometimes I'm disgusted to be human, and now is one of those times. My question is why they didn't just get Sandusky in 1998 and 2002...I mean he was banned from visiting local public schools...They knew what he was up to, why didn't they stop him?
This is all just a travesty. I, however am reserving my judgement on Joe Pa until more facts arise. Many heads are gonna roll; as they should.
Also, as a student at Virginia Tech (was in class during the school shootings). I know how the public can basically crucify a schools reputation over the bad decisions of a few people. So in that regard I hope Penn State can come out of this situation saving a little face. Some pedo on the football staff should no way reflect the quality of the academia.
@Steelavocado: choose the appropriate school based on its academic programs, research facilities, and quality of teaching staff.
On November 10 2011 13:17 ampson wrote: I really feel for Joe Paterno, he was put in a difficult situation and made a mistake. And now he's lost his job and hurt his legacy because of it. However, he should have certainly said something. It sucks so much that people like sandusky fuck it up for everyone.
He was put in a "difficult situation" and "made a mistake"? This isn't someone cheating on his wife or accidentally getting drunk or hitting someone with his car. Those are mistakes.
Someone told him that there was a child being anally raped and he let the guy who did it continue to run a camp with children and molest more victims for ten years. I'd like to think something like this is far beyond "a difficult situation".
I don't understand why you guys mourn the school itself like it's dropped value. Unless you are in a sports program or a fan of football - why would this even affect you? I'm disgusted by the way some students act about it today, but in 10 years no one is going to look at your diploma and say "oh that's the rapist domain" or w/e. I'm sure half the students don't even give a fuck about sports just like everywhere else and this incident is just a sick weird incident to them, no more than that.
Hot_Bid is right. It isn't even questionable. What I'm asking myself is if Paterno is criminally culpable. My initial reaction.. is yes but I don't know I just don't know.
On November 10 2011 14:52 discodancer wrote: Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
The firing is what ignited the whole thing, as a lot of people are insanely loyal to Paterno. Aside from the kids who are just out there for the experience/to go crazy, the student body is very upset with the University and the Board of Trustees for how they've dealt with the situation so far. Unfortunately I don't think there's any real coherence to the riot (if there were I think protest would be a better word) and so any reasoning for involvement is going to depend on who you talk to.
On November 10 2011 14:54 Steelavocado wrote: My opinion of PSU has plummeted. I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I guess I could settle with an in state school like OSU...
As a current student, please don't let this event singly rule out Penn State as an option. This incident does not define us as a school and does not define us as a student body. The Penn State community is much more than this (and what the media is making us out to be) and I can still say that I am proud of my decision to attend this University. Like tronix said, there are many more important reasons to go/not go to a school.
Just a huge disappointment. Im not a student, fan, or alumni. However, it's just real sad to see someone completely destroy a legacy like Paterno's. Legend would be an understatement for this man in college football and it's now ruined. Just a sad story all the way around and he should have done the right thing. This guy has been a "hero" for millions of people over 4 decades. Which is why I'd assume they are rioting. They're wrong for rioting.
Fuck yeah, he should go to prison. Everyone involved should be prosecuted, if they sentence a pedo with pictures to life in prison - wtf are we even wondering here.
On November 10 2011 15:13 icemanzdoinwork wrote: Just a huge disappointment. Im not a student, fan, or alumni. However, it's just real sad to see someone completely destroy a legacy like Paterno's. Legend would be an understatement for this man in college football and it's now ruined. Just a sad story all the way around and he should have done the right thing. This guy has been a "hero" for millions of people over 4 decades. Which is why I'd assume they are rioting. They're wrong for rioting.
Don't you think this tells a lot about his moral values and sense of decency? How much he cared and his priorities? If he was this sick spineless trash then who cares about his legacy at all? Fuck him.
On November 10 2011 13:58 Zeller wrote: It's ridiculous how many of these people involved first and foremost intentions was to protect Sandusky's and PSU's reputations. Let's let this sick fuck ruin more young boys lives and keep it on the down low, because it would just be too embarrassing to report it. This shit happens so often it's not even funny. I bet if a Penn State janitor was caught molesting kids, he'd be turned to the cops in a fucking second.
I seriously get so fucking pissed at all the special treatment people in America get, from government officials to CEO's to high ranking members of major universities. They aren't above the law and their reputation can lick everyone's asshole, we're talking about peoples lives being totally fucked over vs sparing someones god damn credibility/reputation etc.
shrug if I was in Paterno's shoes I wouldn't tell anyone either, I hate the cops and media and all that shit. He tried to let it blow over and it didn't work obviously, a terrible mistake but he didnt directly assault these kids....Sandusky is the sick fuck here not Paterno.
As a Brit I'm outside of the football bubble, so I don't have any prior feelings about either of these guys - I'd never heard of them until about ten minutes ago. But on thing really got me, looking at what Paterno said about this whole thing -
He added: "This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."
From the BBC website, my bolding.
With the benefit of hindsight? As Hot_bid said above, this isn't a case of a man cheating on his wife. This is an alleged series of vicious sexual assaults by a man in a position of trust and power abusing children placed in his care over a sustained period of time. Paterno fulfilled his basic legal requirements - fucking whoop. He knew what Sandusky had been doing, why didn't he do more to stop it? Why did he continue to work with the man? He made himself complicit along with all the others at Penn State who knew, when he chose to allow this man to keep working with kids and cover up what happened. Simply put, sexual predators have a disease. You don't just give them a slap on the wrist and let them walk away. If allowed, they will abuse again and again. Every single child that was harmed after people at Penn State knew about Sandusky's activities should be on their consciences, because it's their fault as well. Sadly it seems that there are people in the world that consider football and reputation to be a higher priority than dealing with sexual abuse and its victims.
It's just a fucking sports team, for God's sake. Was it worth it?
I don't get why they wouldn't have insta cracked down on this guy. It would make them look responsible for getting it stopped right away. Its not like you can blame a company/university w/e for hiring someone who appears normal because its something that no one knows about until a child speaks out or he is caught. This just makes it soooo much worse to cover it up. It doesn't make sense to me to cover this up to "protect the team". It makes more sense that he was close to the people there so they were protecting someone they liked.
On November 10 2011 15:22 Sanctimonius wrote: As a Brit I'm outside of the football bubble, so I don't have any prior feelings about either of these guys - I'd never heard of them until about ten minutes ago. But on thing really got me, looking at what Paterno said about this whole thing -
He added: "This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."
From the BBC website, my bolding.
With the benefit of hindsight? As Hot_bid said above, this isn't a case of a man cheating on his wife. This is an alleged series of vicious sexual assaults by a man in a position of trust and power abusing children placed in his care over a sustained period of time. Paterno fulfilled his basic legal requirements - fucking whoop. He knew what Sandusky had been doing, why didn't he do more to stop it? Why did he continue to work with the man? He made himself complicit along with all the others at Penn State who knew, when he chose to allow this man to keep working with kids and cover up what happened. Simply put, sexual predators have a disease. You don't just give them a slap on the wrist and let them walk away. If allowed, they will abuse again and again. Every single child that was harmed after people at Penn State knew about Sandusky's activities should be on their consciences, because it's their fault as well. Sadly it seems that there are people in the world that consider football and reputation to be a higher priority than dealing with sexual abuse and its victims.
It's just a fucking sports team, for God's sake. Was it worth it?
I don't think it really had much to do with football and more to do with protecting some guy who was apart of their lil club.
On November 10 2011 14:44 feanor1 wrote: If you fired Paterno how does McQuery keep his job? And I really don't see how you don't fire the entire staff, they have all been there for 10-30 yrs, anything JoePa knew about they likely knew as well
This is something that a lot of people (myself included) are confused about. Sandusky is out on bail until December and McQueary/Curley are still on the Penn State payroll.
Every single one should be gone. I would say I feel bad about the players who had nada to do with this, until there were those reports of seniors not wanting to play saturday in protest. To which I say scrap every fucking thing.
On the positive side, this thing allows me to quickly pick out idiots on my facebook feed!
Yeah. I'm really in favor of the NCAA giving Penn State the "death penalty" that they gave SMU. This is even worse than what SMU did. And like Hot_Bid said, they covered this up for 10 years. 10 years, and none of them questioned themselves on why a child molester is still running around campus? Really?
Pretty good article from ESPN's Ombudsmen on the network's failures, mainly about their Monday and Tuesday coverage.
On November 10 2011 15:11 discodancer wrote: I don't understand why you guys mourn the school itself like it's dropped value. Unless you are in a sports program or a fan of football - why would this even affect you? I'm disgusted by the way some students act about it today, but in 10 years no one is going to look at your diploma and say "oh that's the rapist domain" or w/e. I'm sure half the students don't even give a fuck about sports just like everywhere else and this incident is just a sick weird incident to them, no more than that.
I agree with this as well. I was a student at USC during the early Pete Carroll years, graduated around the time of the split national championship with LSU. Maybe it's because I was usually grouped with international students (USC has a lot of international students) but people didn't care as much about football as outsiders might think. There were plenty of times when the library was packed and we were having group meetings when the football game was going on.
A couple of years or so after I graduated, I completely stopped caring. I'm very proud of the academics. The football barely exists as far as I'm concerned. About the only thing remaining is the football got me interested in the NFL, even though I have no team allegiance.
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