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On November 10 2011 14:06 thReNody wrote:
As a student at Penn State (currently waiting out the riots/etc inside, doing work 'cause I have too much shit to get done to have time to wrap my head around the situation that has developed over the past few days) all I can say is this has left the community in a daze. Everyone's pissed, sad, upset, angry, etc but I think we can all agree that major steps/actions need to be taken. I honestly don't even know how to express how I feel, it's weird how hard something like this hits you. The majority of the kids down town rioting don't even know why the hell they're there except that it gives them an excuse to go crazy. This whole thing is just fucking disappointing.
Yeah. As a Penn State student I'm ashamed. People in this school just love to riot. Not the way to solve things here. What's done is done, and honestly, it was deserved. I wish they could just get over it.
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On November 10 2011 20:35 Sufficiency wrote:
Can someone tell me why Spanier and Paterno got fired? It seems to me that they had minimal involvement in the scandal and shaky evidence against them that they tried to cover it up. Paterno is fired for being the big name that all the media outlets wanted to put into there articles creating the backlash against him and the university had to act and separate themselves from that imo.
if you've followed espn over the past few days every article is about paterno theres little mention of sandusky the actual monster in this case. It was basically a witch hunt of an old man that didn't take the law into his own hands.
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They didnt try to cover it up but they did nothing to actually protect the boys that they were alerted of. This is the university trying to save face and honestly its probably the right move. You can't let something like that go unchecked.... especially for years like it did =[ Sure the man deserves a ton of respect for what he did with the football program but there are somethings that can rip that credibility apart in a matter of seconds, and this is one of those things. Sad story for everyone involved and I hope Sandusky ends up getting the same treatment from inmates for the rest of his life.
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On November 10 2011 20:44 Acronysis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 14:06 thReNody wrote:
As a student at Penn State (currently waiting out the riots/etc inside, doing work 'cause I have too much shit to get done to have time to wrap my head around the situation that has developed over the past few days) all I can say is this has left the community in a daze. Everyone's pissed, sad, upset, angry, etc but I think we can all agree that major steps/actions need to be taken. I honestly don't even know how to express how I feel, it's weird how hard something like this hits you. The majority of the kids down town rioting don't even know why the hell they're there except that it gives them an excuse to go crazy. This whole thing is just fucking disappointing. Yeah. As a Penn State student I'm ashamed. People in this school just love to riot. Not the way to solve things here. What's done is done, and honestly, it was deserved. I wish they could just get over it. its been really crazy day, i was at work when the news broke that paterno was fired. Everything basically just stopped and people were just very sad and angry all at once. Then news of the riots starting coming in and we all were just dumbfounded that this was actually happening.....
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On November 10 2011 20:45 IndridCold wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 20:35 Sufficiency wrote:
Can someone tell me why Spanier and Paterno got fired? It seems to me that they had minimal involvement in the scandal and shaky evidence against them that they tried to cover it up. Paterno is fired for being the big name that all the media outlets wanted to put into there articles creating the backlash against him and the university had to act and separate themselves from that imo. if you've followed espn over the past few days every article is about paterno theres little mention of sandusky the actual monster in this case. It was basically a witch hunt of an old man that didn't take the law into his own hands.
OK this is how I felt as well. It seemed to me that he was wrongfully fired.
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pretty bad stuff.. but I was listening to Tablo's new song "Bad"
And when I was reading the news, the lyrics said, "Love is a sickness, cannot get a witness."
Slightly creepy.
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Instead of releasing articles about Paterno, the media should just release that Grand Jury Report someone was wise enough to post here already... I just read that, and damn, after reading that I don't care even an ounce about what happened/happens with Paterno -- all that matters it that this sick bastard goes to prison for a while, or at least somewhere far far far away from young boys.
Too bad the media would rather be sensational about "ending the footbaww legaceee" than exposing a sick bastard's crimes with the cold hard facts from court. Granted, I guess ESPN media is more likely to want to focus on the sport-related part of the story, but still...
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wow this is such a juicy story.
These are stories that are often times only sold from tabloids!!
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On November 10 2011 21:20 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Instead of releasing articles about Paterno, the media should just release that Grand Jury Report someone was wise enough to post here already... I just read that, and damn, after reading that I don't care even an ounce about what happened/happens with Paterno -- all that matters it that this sick bastard goes to prison for a while, or at least somewhere far far far away from young boys.
Too bad the media would rather be sensational about "ending the footbaww legaceee" than exposing a sick bastard's crimes with the cold hard facts from court. Granted, I guess ESPN media is more likely to want to focus on the sport-related part of the story, but still...
Yeah, that's a good point . . .
People are so focused and angry cause of Paterno's firing. But is he really the one that's hurt? He'll be fine . . .
The kids however . . . that is something Nobody would want to go through. What a mark that is left on their lives thanks to Sandusky. I wish there was more we could do for them. At the very least, give them the attention they deserve, at least show them that they're worth getting upset over and not just Paterno.
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lol wow, woke up and looked at the facebook posts and then saw this...so many of my friends go to PSU, even my GF. This is a PR nightmare although it's kinda sad more people are focusing on Paterno then the actual accused >.> yay media next year or so will be an interesting course of events to say the least
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On November 10 2011 20:45 IndridCold wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 20:35 Sufficiency wrote:
Can someone tell me why Spanier and Paterno got fired? It seems to me that they had minimal involvement in the scandal and shaky evidence against them that they tried to cover it up. Paterno is fired for being the big name that all the media outlets wanted to put into there articles creating the backlash against him and the university had to act and separate themselves from that imo. if you've followed espn over the past few days every article is about paterno theres little mention of sandusky the actual monster in this case. It was basically a witch hunt of an old man that didn't take the law into his own hands.
Do you understand what "take the law into his own hands" actually means?
Sufficiency, Sandusky was first caught molesting children in 1998. He was forced to retire and almost had criminal charges brought upon him, but nothing else happened. The PSU program didn't disassociate from him and they didn't take away his access to the campus or facilities. At this point in time, Paterno KNOWS that Sandusky is a pedophile. He is banned from certain public schools.
In 2002, he gets caught by a grad school student (McQueary) who waits 48 hours without telling anyone but his dad, and then tells Paterno. Paterno, after hearing that a known pedophile had raped a boy in his own lockerroom, did not alert authorities nor did he cut ties with Sandusky. Paterno doesn't have "superiors" in realistic terms. He can do just about whatever he wants on that campus and he will be allowed to. He is supposedly the moral compass for the entire football team, which considers itself the most upstanding in the country. And all Paterno did was the bare minimum, so as to prevent his program and his friend from being tarnished. He didn't give a damn about the boys being raped.
7 years later it finally breaks. That means he had a known pedophile in his backyard for 11 years without reporting him to any real authority, or removing his access to the program. If you see someone getting raped in your workplace's bathroom, you don't just fucking call your boss and let it be. Especially when you have more authority than almost all of your bosses. He is/was the face of that institution and any moral human being should've called the police. The tell is that Sandusky never lost his office or his keys to the place. They kept him around, the same as before.
And according to the grand jury testimonies, he did try to cover it up and lighten the blow. McQueary told said he told Paterno everything he saw and was visibly upset. Paterno turns around and tells the AD that they were just roughing around.
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On November 10 2011 13:11 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 07:52 p4NDemik wrote:
I read about this story earlier today. What he's accused of doing, using charities to sexually molest boys, using his role on the team to entice the boys and then abuse them, its sickening. Then university officials trying to cover it up after coaches alerted them and he subsequently stepped down from his coaching position at the same time. Paterno (the head coach) tried to resign at the end of the season, but the Board of Trustees just fired him an hour ago.It's worth noting for non-Americans that college football is HUGE in the US, bigger than some professional sports, and Coach Paterno was literally one of the most powerful people at the school. More powerful than most of the administrators and arguably second in power to the president of the school. The Board tried to make him quit 5 years ago and he basically told them no. And Penn State is one of the oldest and largest schools in the country. I think it has a bigger alumni pool than anywhere else in the country. And it's not just Paterno at fault. The President of the school was fired, and likely most of the football staff will be gone too. There were several people who knew about it and they all covered it up. Sandusky was even caught twice, first in 1998 and again in 2002.
Student revolt incoming. Penn State is a wonderful school too. I don't attend, but I've been there for Senior Day and the people there are some of the nicest folks you'll ever meet. Terrible tragedy, really.
Edit: I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the incoming football players decommit either
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Honestly I say fuck the discussions about the University, football program, Paterno, coaches, students, student riots, etc.
8 poor kid are going to be fucked up for the duration of their lives. That is the real sad talking point here.
Castrate Sandusky and let the prison vermin take care of him in the big house
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On November 10 2011 22:50 Partywave wrote:
Honestly I say fuck the discussions about the University, football program, Paterno, coaches, students, student riots, etc.
8 poor kid are going to be fucked up for the duration of their lives. That is the real sad talking point here.
Castrate Sandusky and let the prison vermin take care of him in the big house
It's even more than that. There's 8 in the original grand jury testimony, but there was a news report that the number of kids suspected is 20+.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811
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Great article about the media coverage of this scandal
As a new Penn State Alum (graduated this spring), this whole event has been a massive shock to myself, my friends, and everyone I know that are still Penn State students. The fact is, people that think Joe Paterno is to blame here are blatantly ignoring the actual people being charged with crimes in this. Sandusky, Curly and Schultz are the people that should be crucified for this, not Paterno and Spanier. If you really think that all of this is Paterno's fault, you need to take a step back and look at the actual facts of the Grand Jury investigation, not what the media is reporting on.
If you really think that Paterno has had ultimate power at Penn State, you're sorely mistaken. He's half senile by this point, and most people will tell you he hasn't been really coaching the team for several years now. He's just a legendary figure used to promote the school and bring in new potential students. This whole scandal is just ruining a great man's legacy, instead of focusing on punishing those that did real harm to the children.
To those that were thinking of choosing Penn State as a potential college: do NOT let this deter you. I can tell you from personal experience that Penn State is a university second to none and the quality of education there is amazing. Don't let the actions of a creepy old man deter you from experiencing all that this great university has to offer.
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Read the grand jury report. Can't believe people are trying to defend Paterno. I'm not sure if he should necessarily be charged as an accomplice, but the fact that people are rioting about no more of him coaching football is disgusting. Really makes me question human morality as a whole.
Was considering applying to Penn State, but with the student reaction, there is no chance now.
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On November 10 2011 23:04 Bayloader wrote:Great article about the media coverage of this scandalAs a new Penn State Alum (graduated this spring), this whole event has been a massive shock to myself, my friends, and everyone I know that are still Penn State students. The fact is, people that think Joe Paterno is to blame here are blatantly ignoring the actual people being charged with crimes in this. Sandusky, Curly and Schultz are the people that should be crucified for this, not Paterno and Spanier. If you really think that all of this is Paterno's fault, you need to take a step back and look at the actual facts of the Grand Jury investigation, not what the media is reporting on. If you really think that Paterno has had ultimate power at Penn State, you're sorely mistaken. He's half senile by this point, and most people will tell you he hasn't been really coaching the team for several years now. He's just a legendary figure used to promote the school and bring in new potential students. This whole scandal is just ruining a great man's legacy, instead of focusing on punishing those that did real harm to the children. To those that were thinking of choosing Penn State as a potential college: do NOT let this deter you. I can tell you from personal experience that Penn State is a university second to none and the quality of education there is amazing. Don't let the actions of a creepy old man deter you from experiencing all that this great university has to offer.
If Paterno knew about the abuse in 1998, which all accounts seem to say that he did. Then he is as guilty as anyone for not taking it to the police and cleaning out sandusky. The thought that Paterno would allow someone he knew was a pedophile who abused children to continue to work is appaling to me. His failure to act on behalf of the children and instead help his friend keep his job and reputation is despicable, no matter how much the man contributed to College football, he does not deserve to live this down.
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On November 10 2011 20:45 IndridCold wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 20:35 Sufficiency wrote:
Can someone tell me why Spanier and Paterno got fired? It seems to me that they had minimal involvement in the scandal and shaky evidence against them that they tried to cover it up. Paterno is fired for being the big name that all the media outlets wanted to put into there articles creating the backlash against him and the university had to act and separate themselves from that imo. if you've followed espn over the past few days every article is about paterno theres little mention of sandusky the actual monster in this case. It was basically a witch hunt of an old man that didn't take the law into his own hands.
He didn't involve the authorities in any way shape or form.
He did take the law into his own hands, and gave his protege a pretty light sentence.
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The elderly/senile excuse has been used for 10+ years, and even though he didn't coach much, he was well within his capacity to do something about it. When the Board tried to remove him before, he told them to fuck off and he kept his job because no one would touch him. His bosses wanted to fire him and he told them no, so they didn't. How much more powerful do you get?
Sandusky is going to get what's coming, he's a disgusting fuck for a human being and if he goes to prison, I hope he is undone. Paterno is getting off because he's an affable old man, but that says nothing about his ethics. Did you read the grand jury testimonies? Because McQueary's and Paterno's statements don't add up.
They're all to blame. Sandusky is the monster, but Paterno, Curly, Schultz, McQueary and even the janitor all enabled him, and protected him.
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On November 10 2011 23:14 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:04 Bayloader wrote:Great article about the media coverage of this scandalAs a new Penn State Alum (graduated this spring), this whole event has been a massive shock to myself, my friends, and everyone I know that are still Penn State students. The fact is, people that think Joe Paterno is to blame here are blatantly ignoring the actual people being charged with crimes in this. Sandusky, Curly and Schultz are the people that should be crucified for this, not Paterno and Spanier. If you really think that all of this is Paterno's fault, you need to take a step back and look at the actual facts of the Grand Jury investigation, not what the media is reporting on. If you really think that Paterno has had ultimate power at Penn State, you're sorely mistaken. He's half senile by this point, and most people will tell you he hasn't been really coaching the team for several years now. He's just a legendary figure used to promote the school and bring in new potential students. This whole scandal is just ruining a great man's legacy, instead of focusing on punishing those that did real harm to the children. To those that were thinking of choosing Penn State as a potential college: do NOT let this deter you. I can tell you from personal experience that Penn State is a university second to none and the quality of education there is amazing. Don't let the actions of a creepy old man deter you from experiencing all that this great university has to offer. If Paterno knew about the abuse in 1998, which all accounts seem to say that he did. Then he is as guilty as anyone for not taking it to the police and cleaning out sandusky. The thought that Paterno would allow someone he knew was a pedophile who abused children to continue to work is appaling to me. His failure to act on behalf of the children and instead help his friend keep his job and reputation is despicable, no matter how much the man contributed to College football, he does not deserve to live this down.
I have not read the Grand Jury Testimonials, so if I am wrong feel free to point it out, but at least according to the article I linked, there is no indication that Paterno knew of the 1998 incident, and even testified that he did not know until the 2002 incident when McQueary reported it to him.
On November 10 2011 23:12 1Eris1 wrote:
Read the grand jury report. Can't believe people are trying to defend Paterno. I'm not sure if he should necessarily be charged as an accomplice, but the fact that people are rioting about no more of him coaching football is disgusting. Really makes me question human morality as a whole.
Was considering applying to Penn State, but with the student reaction, there is no chance now.
The riots that occurred last night are nothing new to Penn State, similar incidents happened when we beat Ohio State 2? years ago, and when it was announced Bin Laden had been killed. Put 44,000 college aged students in a small town and stuff like that is pretty much bound to happen.
EDIT: I also think people are vastly underestimating how much respect and devotion State College and Penn State Students have to Joe Paterno.
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