EPTJerry Sandusky and PSU - Page 7
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Skullflower
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jerryjohnston
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QuanticHawk
United States32044 Posts
On November 10 2011 21:58 Jibba wrote: Do you understand what "take the law into his own hands" actually means? Sufficiency, Sandusky was first caught molesting children in 1998. He was forced to retire and almost had criminal charges brought upon him, but nothing else happened. The PSU program didn't disassociate from him and they didn't take away his access to the campus or facilities. At this point in time, Paterno KNOWS that Sandusky is a pedophile. He is banned from certain public schools. In 2002, he gets caught by a grad school student (McQueary) who waits 48 hours without telling anyone but his dad, and then tells Paterno. Paterno, after hearing that a known pedophile had raped a boy in his own lockerroom, did not alert authorities nor did he cut ties with Sandusky. Paterno doesn't have "superiors" in realistic terms. He can do just about whatever he wants on that campus and he will be allowed to. He is supposedly the moral compass for the entire football team, which considers itself the most upstanding in the country. And all Paterno did was the bare minimum, so as to prevent his program and his friend from being tarnished. He didn't give a damn about the boys being raped. 7 years later it finally breaks. That means he had a known pedophile in his backyard for 11 years without reporting him to any real authority, or removing his access to the program. If you see someone getting raped in your workplace's bathroom, you don't just fucking call your boss and let it be. Especially when you have more authority than almost all of your bosses. He is/was the face of that institution and any moral human being should've called the police. The tell is that Sandusky never lost his office or his keys to the place. They kept him around, the same as before. And according to the grand jury testimonies, he did try to cover it up and lighten the blow. McQueary told said he told Paterno everything he saw and was visibly upset. Paterno turns around and tells the AD that they were just roughing around. Just quoting this post for anyone who can't be bothered to read a little of the facts, since this outlines it pretty clear. If you're saying Paterno did no wrong, you're basically saying he had no knowledge of the 98 or 02 charges against Sandursky, which is insane. He let the dude on campus, using his facilities WITH CHILDREN and to be associated with PSU football as recently as a few weeks ago. Paterno even spoke on behalf of Sandursky's 2nd Mile program for little kids several times in the past decade. Forget whether or not he was wrong for not calling the cops when McQueary told him (he was, but that's besides the point here), that is completely inexcusable. He knew what Sandursky had been accused of several times before, he knew there was an ongoing investigation and he still let him around PSU with kids in tow. His legacy will rightfully be complete shit after this On November 10 2011 23:23 Skullflower wrote: Can anyone explain why Mike McQueary still has his job? I would hope that he and every one else that was on that staff gets removed. That includes the interim, who had been there since the 80s. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-students-in-clashes-after-joe-paterno-is-ousted.html?hp “Of course we’re going to riot,” he said. “What do they expect when they tell us at 10 o’clock that they fired our football coach?” “I’m here because I just need to be with the rest of my school right now,” she said. “This is devastating for us.” Bayloader, other rural schools don't do this. MSU and Penn State are the two schools in the B1G that do this, and MSU students are always drunk. Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. don't have this problem. :/ EDIT: And even dumber is the student who lit his diploma on fire on JoePa's lawn. This shouldn't affect PSU academically, besides the fact that there's a lot of dumbass students. | ||
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Bayloader
United States27 Posts
I'm not trying to excuse the actions of the students that caused the damage in the "riots" last night, but I'm not surprised by the student reaction at all. This reaction was expected, and there are going to be extremes among the students themselves (flipping the news van, burning the diploma, etc), but as a whole this is a very traumatic event for not just the University before. As I said, Paterno is a revered figure at the University and is adored and admired by almost all students. To see someone like him hounded in the media, while almost not focus is put on Curley, Schultz, and Sandusky (the ones actually being charged with criminal offenses) is extremely frustrating to a proud Penn Stater like myself, and all those in State College. The reaction of the students isn't because they fired a football coach; Paterno is much, much more than that to the University. EDIT: As to MSU and PSU being the only colleges that do this sort of thing... I'm sure a large majority of the students actually doing property damage at the riots were drunk too hah. Generally, these "riots" are nothing more than a gathering of students doing Penn State cheers and songs. Here's some footage I took of the Bin Laden "riot" earlier this year.. | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On November 10 2011 13:17 ampson wrote: I really feel for Joe Paterno, he was put in a difficult situation and made a mistake. And now he's lost his job and hurt his legacy because of it. However, he should have certainly said something. It sucks so much that people like sandusky fuck it up for everyone. You're worried about the kids here too, right? Not just the fact that sandusky fucked Ol Joepa over...? | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf - Very NSFW, extremely graphic details of molestation and rape by Sandusky perpetrated onto young <13 boys. O and those quotes by Penn State kids speaking of rioting.... just no | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32044 Posts
On November 10 2011 23:51 Bayloader wrote: To see someone like him hounded in the media, while almost not focus is put on Curley, Schultz, and Sandusky (the ones actually being charged with criminal offenses) is extremely frustrating to a proud Penn Stater like myself, and all those in State College. The reaction of the students isn't because they fired a football coach; Paterno is much, much more than that to the University. did anyone else basically shrug off the whole thing and say they're gonna stay an additional two months because FOOTBAW?? Because JoePa did. Also: Sandursky is formally charged. If you read the grand jury report, or even just part, you can see why no one is talking about that... nothing else needs to be said. Curley and Schultz have been charged as well. They're going to be answering in courts for their lack of action Joe is not (not yet at least, hopefully he does) Noticing a trend?? The guy who is at the top of the food chain at happy valley, mr morals himself, played middle manager when something serious came to him and he kicked up to his 'superiors'. That's why he is getting hounded. He supposedly is cleared legally, but damn right the guy who is touted as mr righteous is gonna get hammered when he can't even call the cops. He fucked up, and it's even more of a 'holy shit' because penn state blew it's horn constantly with this kind of shit ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZosDy.png) when it was well known what was under the rug. JoePa had a major hand in creating that aura, and it's all been a charade for at least a decade now. the reaction of the students is because they're either retarded and don't understand the gravity of the situation, didn't read the grand jury report at all, or they're pro child raping. Anyone who read even just parts of that thing would be calling for the heads of everyone in the football staff, and the admins too | ||
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Zaranth
United States345 Posts
Bayloader, other rural schools don't do this. MSU and Penn State are the two schools in the B1G that do this, and MSU students are always drunk. Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. don't have this problem. :/ Purdue rioted in 1999, 2000 and 2001, the first was because we won the women's NCAA, and the others were for wins/losses in the men's NCAA. Purdue cares more about basketball than football. Also the legacy of JoePa is on a completely different scale than any coach at a school like Purdue, Minnesota, etc. | ||
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
On November 10 2011 13:17 ampson wrote: I really feel for Joe Paterno, he was put in a difficult situation and made a mistake. And now he's lost his job and hurt his legacy because of it. However, he should have certainly said something. It sucks so much that people like sandusky fuck it up for everyone. I want to address comments like this. Imagine this situation. You coach a college football team, but in reality, you can do pretty much whatever you want. You're one of the most respected and powerful men in your school, your city, and your sport (This is not an exaggeration. There's a larger-than-life bronze statue of Paterno at Penn State, and he still worked there until this came out.). One day, a graduate assistant comes to you to tell you he witnessed your friend and former assistant coach anally raping a young boy in the team locker room. Do you: A) Call the police yourself. B) Convince your friend to commit himself to a mental institution to get treatment for his obvious problems. C) Report it to your "boss," who in reality works for you, and never mention it again. Paterno chose option C. He covered his ass legally and then left it alone. He's not in legal trouble because he technically passed it to his "superior," and didn't lie under oath like his "bosses" did. There's still something decidedly criminal about what he did. Hell, I don't really even feel bad for the graduate assistant, now passing coach, who witnessed the incident in 2002. He was actually in a tough situation (potentially having to decide between his career and doing the right thing), but in a case like this, the choice is clear. | ||
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oneofthem
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
On November 11 2011 01:09 oneofthem wrote: can someone who think like these kids explain why a football team is so important to a university? Football is huge at Penn State (it's hard to describe if you're not from the US or don't know much about college football). It's a unifying force for students, and one of the only reasons outsiders ever think about the school. They're protesting and rioting because they're all caught up in group-think. 10 years from now, they'll probably look back and regret their role in all this. Pretty much everyone outside the university agrees that firing Paterno is the absolute minimum that needs to be done. These kids will see it too, once the emotion of the moment wears off. | ||
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TyPsi5
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eits
United States210 Posts
On November 10 2011 23:21 Bayloader wrote: I have not read the Grand Jury Testimonials, so if I am wrong feel free to point it out, but at least according to the article I linked, there is no indication that Paterno knew of the 1998 incident, and even testified that he did not know until the 2002 incident when McQueary reported it to him. The riots that occurred last night are nothing new to Penn State, similar incidents happened when we beat Ohio State 2? years ago, and when it was announced Bin Laden had been killed. Put 44,000 college aged students in a small town and stuff like that is pretty much bound to happen. EDIT: I also think people are vastly underestimating how much respect and devotion State College and Penn State Students have to Joe Paterno. the population density in your college town does not matter. I go to a school with the same amount of people in a small part of texas, and people haven't acted like that for anything. dono maybe PSU is just really smart engineers who like fucking shit up | ||
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SuB.ZerO
United States55 Posts
It sounds like utter chaos over there, i hope it gets resolved | ||
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Uhh Negative
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Geosensation
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trainRiderJ
United States615 Posts
On November 11 2011 01:34 Uhh Negative wrote: If you are famous, you are not allowed to make a mistake. That's what this world likes to think. Sadly, this will overshadow his great career because of this negative world we live in. This wasn't a "mistake". A mistake is leaving the lights on your car on overnight, or hitting reply all on that sarcastic email you just sent. This was enabling a known pedophile to commit a large number of terrible sexual acts on children. Paterno, and everyone else who knew about it, should be in jail for the rest of their lives. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind. Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point. Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough. This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team. All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director? Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out. If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement. This is disgusting. | ||
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