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On November 11 2011 01:34 Uhh Negative wrote:
If you are famous, you are not allowed to make a mistake. That's what this world likes to think. Sadly, this will overshadow his great career because of this negative world we live in.
You are using the word "mistake" fairly loosely here, knowingly letting someone use a charitable organization and university athletic facilities to facilitate the ANAL RAPE OF A MINOR is more of a grievous and horrendous lapse in judgement, than a "mistake".
You then go on to say that the "negative world we live in" is why Paterno's legacy is tainted. No, his legacy is tainted because he let Sandusky rape kids. Read the god damn grand jury report, what occurred here was fucking despicable.
The out lash of the general public has been so strong against Paterno because he of all people had the clout to break the chain of command and expose this. Instead he covered his ass legally and let his friend continue to RAPE KIDS.
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On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
You completely miss the point. Paterno wasn't just "some guy" on campus. He was the face of the University and the most powerful man there. Central to his legendary status is his honor, morality, etc. After doing the bare minimum required of him by law after hearing about his former d-coordinator doing something of a sexual nature in the shower with a young boy, Paterno didn't ask another question. He is supposed to be a man who cares more about making good men, not just making a good football team. And here he showed no concern for the kid who got victimized in the shower, he cared more that his football program didn't get a black eye.
You need to think about what happened and the amount of inaction on the part of JoePa.
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On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids?
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On November 11 2011 01:47 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:34 Uhh Negative wrote:
If you are famous, you are not allowed to make a mistake. That's what this world likes to think. Sadly, this will overshadow his great career because of this negative world we live in. You are using the word "mistake" fairly loosely here, knowingly letting someone use a charitable organization and university athletic facilities to facilitate the ANAL RAPE OF A MINOR is more of a grievous and horrendous lapse in judgement, than a "mistake". You then go on to say that the "negative world we live in" is why Paterno's legacy is tainted. No, his legacy is tainted because he let Sandusky rape kids. Read the god damn grand jury report, what occurred here was fucking despicable. The out lash of the general public has been so strong against Paterno because he of all people had the clout to break the chain of command and expose this. Instead he covered his ass legally and let his friend continue to RAPE KIDS.
Did you even read the grand jury report? Holy shitballs this is ridiculous.
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On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
In the real world sticking your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. If someone describes contact "of a sexual nature" between a grown man and a child, you ask them to elaborate while calling 911.
If they thought McQueary was lying they obviously would have fired him. They certainly wouldn't have promoted him to the wide receiver coach and let him continue to work there to this day.
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On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids?
Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here.
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On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here.
I understand if you feel a sense of loyalty to Paterno but for your sake I would back away from the situation until your emotions calm down. No one wants to say something (or support someone) that they deeply regret later.
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On November 11 2011 01:50 trainRiderJ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
In the real world sticking your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. If someone describes contact "of a sexual nature" between a grown man and a child, you ask them to elaborate while calling 911. If they thought McQueary was lying they obviously would have fired him. They certainly wouldn't have promoted him to the wide receiver coach and let him continue to work there to this day.
You don't call 911 for non-emergency situations. Shows how much of an you know. You report the conduct to your boss, and then inform the head of the police force on the university while in a meeting with him.
On November 11 2011 01:52 trainRiderJ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. I understand if you feel a sense of loyalty to Paterno but for your sake I would back away from the situation until your emotions calm down. No one wants to say something (or support someone) that they deeply regret later.
I feel no sense of loyalty to Paterno. I don't follow college football, and I've never attended Penn State. I drove within 100 miles of it, once.
I feel a sense of loyalty to anyone singled out like this when no one has even bothered to read the grand jury report and they're all talking out their ass.
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On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
No, the point is McQuerey said he saw Sandusky naked in the shower standing behind a naked 10 year old boy who had his hands on the wall... that does not encompass that many different things, and all of them should be reported to the police. Joe Pa, more so than literally any other coach in college football, had the clout and knew he had the clout to be able to break the chain of command without risking his job. This is why there is so much scrutiny on Joe Pa and less on McQuerey. Joe Pa should have called the police, instead he kept it internal to keep Penn State's perfect record of never having an infraction. He put Penn state's football program and his friendship with Sandusky over the safety of the children Sandusky was abusing.
While he is not legally responsible, he absolutely needs to share in the moral burden of what occurred here.
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On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here.
Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous.
And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely.
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On November 10 2011 23:38 Jibba wrote:These kids make my brain hurt. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-students-in-clashes-after-joe-paterno-is-ousted.html?hpShow nested quote +“Of course we’re going to riot,” he said. “What do they expect when they tell us at 10 o’clock that they fired our football coach?”
“I’m here because I just need to be with the rest of my school right now,” she said. “This is devastating for us.” Bayloader, other rural schools don't do this. MSU and Penn State are the two schools in the B1G that do this, and MSU students are always drunk. Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. don't have this problem. :/ EDIT: And even dumber is the student who lit his diploma on fire on JoePa's lawn. This shouldn't affect PSU academically, besides the fact that there's a lot of dumbass students.
I'd like to give my perspective as a former Penn State student.
On campus, Joe Pa is God. When I was there, it was difficult to describe the way people here felt about him. He was a beacon of stability in the crazy, rotating world of college and college sports. I know it sounds corny but he really was an inspiration to damn near everyone who attends Penn State. This is an 80+ year old guy who's still running out on the field with his team every game, is universally beloved, hasn't done anything wrong, and he's OUR coach. He's OUR guy. We ARE Penn State. I even feel prideful just thinking about it.
Now let me tell you how much it hurts to have your icon and your idol be implicated in something as horrific as this child rape scandal, and to be fired immediately. It hurts every bone in my body. I know I shouldn't be thinking about Paterno's legacy and I should be focused on the kids that were abused by Sandusky. But I can't. Anyone who's attended Penn State has some sort of emotional investment in Joe Pa. And when things change so soon, so fast, you don't act rationally. Every ounce of my being does not want Paterno's career to end this way. Not like this. I wanted him to retire on his own accord, to conclude his spectacular and impressive career the way that so many other coaches have not done: with a clean record. I know it's not rational. And you know what? Those kids at Penn State now know it's not rational. But they're hurting and surrounded by other people who are hurting. They aren't making a statement that the seriousness and the brutality of the crimes is less important than Joe Pa's career. It's just an emotional outpouring of love for a fallen icon that our heads want to be angry at and our hearts want to love. It's so, so hard to believe he had any knowledge of what was going on and when you're surrounded with other people who are emotionally invested in the situation and are thinking the same thing, then people just ride the wave of emotion. Confirmation Bias. It's a real life version of the Reddit hivemind, basically. It's basic human instinct.
Don't blame the kids on Beaver Ave. They're hurting and acting out. Regardless of whether or not that should be the case, it is. Penn Staters everywhere are hurting right now... just imagine how you felt after the worst breakup of your life. This is how the entire campus presumably feels right now... and it's very difficult to handle. People do stupid shit when their emotions are fucked... no different than any of us.
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On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here.
Evidence? Sandusky was caught mid act twice: once by the GA and once by a Janitor. He was caught rolling around on the floor with a young boy by a wrestling coach. A mother of one of the children who was abused reported it to a campus detective who was silenced by the head of campus police.
That's a pattern of behavior brah.
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On November 11 2011 01:49 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:47 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:34 Uhh Negative wrote:
If you are famous, you are not allowed to make a mistake. That's what this world likes to think. Sadly, this will overshadow his great career because of this negative world we live in. You are using the word "mistake" fairly loosely here, knowingly letting someone use a charitable organization and university athletic facilities to facilitate the ANAL RAPE OF A MINOR is more of a grievous and horrendous lapse in judgement, than a "mistake". You then go on to say that the "negative world we live in" is why Paterno's legacy is tainted. No, his legacy is tainted because he let Sandusky rape kids. Read the god damn grand jury report, what occurred here was fucking despicable. The out lash of the general public has been so strong against Paterno because he of all people had the clout to break the chain of command and expose this. Instead he covered his ass legally and let his friend continue to RAPE KIDS. Did you even read the grand jury report? Holy shitballs this is ridiculous.
Yea i read every word twice, apparently you have not
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On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely.
Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do?
There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do?
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On November 11 2011 01:09 oneofthem wrote:
can someone who think like these kids explain why a football team is so important to a university?
Penn State Football is the only (MAYBE men's basketball does as well) sport that actually makes the school money. The money made from the Football games is what's used to fund almost every other Penn State official sports team.
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On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here.
Explain JoePa not batting an eye when Sandursky was on campus on multiple occasions with children after the allegations and investigations. Explain JoePa speaking at Sandurksky's charity for children after he knew of all this.
I can't even believe that people serious believe that Paterno had no idea why Sandursky, his long time dcoord and good friend, was banned. That's such a huge load
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On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do?
Yes, legally Paterno is fine. But in the eyes of the general public he failed his moral duty. Joe Pa was bigger than Penn State, he was aware of this and therefore would know going public would not put his career in danger. Instead he passed it up the chain, a chain he knew was most concerned with Penn State's perfect disciplinary record. Joe Pa put the program ahead of the kids. That is why he is being held responsible in the court of public opinion
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On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do?
He LET Sandusky continue working under him.
I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing.
Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this...
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On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this...
Just to clarify
The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired.
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On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
First, I highly doubt that the guy told Paterno that something "of a sexual nature" happened. Who the hell talks like that in real life? I'm sure the actual conversation went much, much differently. All we're hearing is the grand jury testimony, which comes a decade after the incident. Plenty of time to plan and act a lot more innocent.
Second, does it matter where anal sex is on your list? Anything "of a sexual nature" between a 50 year old man and a child is criminal. The only question is how criminal it was. Turns out, it was really bad and Paterno did shit about it. Same thing with the guy who reported it to him. Same thing with the guys he reported it to. Everyone involved was complicit in the rape of a child and should be treated as such.
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