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On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired.
And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs
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On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs
O I'm on your side don't worry, just trying to keep the facts straight
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On November 11 2011 01:52 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:50 trainRiderJ wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
In the real world sticking your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. If someone describes contact "of a sexual nature" between a grown man and a child, you ask them to elaborate while calling 911. If they thought McQueary was lying they obviously would have fired him. They certainly wouldn't have promoted him to the wide receiver coach and let him continue to work there to this day. You don't call 911 for non-emergency situations. Shows how much of an you know. You report the conduct to your boss, and then inform the head of the police force on the university while in a meeting with him. Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:52 trainRiderJ wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. I understand if you feel a sense of loyalty to Paterno but for your sake I would back away from the situation until your emotions calm down. No one wants to say something (or support someone) that they deeply regret later. I feel no sense of loyalty to Paterno. I don't follow college football, and I've never attended Penn State. I drove within 100 miles of it, once. I feel a sense of loyalty to anyone singled out like this when no one has even bothered to read the grand jury report and they're all talking out their ass.
Did you not read the thread? We did read the grand jury report. And Paterno is not being singled out. He's just the biggest guy who needs to be fired. The entire staff needs to be fired. The entire football team needs to be shut down for at least a year.
Where are your morals and your priorities in life? People in positions of power need to be held to a higher standard than doing the bare legal minimum.
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On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs
Paterno let him use it? NO. The Athletic Directors let him use those facilities. Those facilities do not belong to Paterno and his authority is that of a coach. People using said facilities do so under the permission of the Athletic Director.
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On November 11 2011 02:08 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:52 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 trainRiderJ wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
In the real world sticking your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. If someone describes contact "of a sexual nature" between a grown man and a child, you ask them to elaborate while calling 911. If they thought McQueary was lying they obviously would have fired him. They certainly wouldn't have promoted him to the wide receiver coach and let him continue to work there to this day. You don't call 911 for non-emergency situations. Shows how much of an you know. You report the conduct to your boss, and then inform the head of the police force on the university while in a meeting with him. On November 11 2011 01:52 trainRiderJ wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. I understand if you feel a sense of loyalty to Paterno but for your sake I would back away from the situation until your emotions calm down. No one wants to say something (or support someone) that they deeply regret later. I feel no sense of loyalty to Paterno. I don't follow college football, and I've never attended Penn State. I drove within 100 miles of it, once. I feel a sense of loyalty to anyone singled out like this when no one has even bothered to read the grand jury report and they're all talking out their ass. Did you not read the thread? We did read the grand jury report. And Paterno is not being singled out. He's just the biggest guy who needs to be fired. The entire staff needs to be fired. The entire football team needs to be shut down for at least a year. Where are your morals and your priorities in life? People in positions of power need to be held to a higher standard than doing the bare legal minimum.
What would all of that accomplish? The people responsible for the coverup have either been criminally charged and/or fired/resigned. Shutting down to football team will do nothing but cause the University to lose a MASSIVE amount of funding (Penn State Football makes a lotttttt of money), which will do nothing but cause the lives of the students and the professors to suffer, as well as cause the local economy to suffer with less people visiting on the weekends for games.
None of that will change the atrocities that Sandusky committed, whether or not Paterno was a part of any of it.
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On November 11 2011 02:10 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs Paterno let him use it? NO. The Athletic Directors let him use those facilities. Those facilities do not belong to Paterno and his authority is that of a coach. People using said facilities do so under the permission of the Athletic Director.
Dood Paterno failed his moral obligation to protect though who are cannot protect themselves, and he continued to publicly support a man who he was aware had multiple sexual abuse allegations brought against him. That is the story, splitting hairs will not change this.
Joe Paterno was a God.
He should have done more.
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On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs
The Second Mile wasn't Sandusky's foundation. He was a volunteer for the foundation. Paterno spoke at a fundraiser for The Second Mile.
Edit: I see now. You all hate him because he let someone accused of acts against children walk near him. God forbid we actually hold true to innocent until proven guilty in this country. Burn every man and woman accused of such things in my opinion. Let God sort em out, amiright?
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On November 11 2011 00:18 stokes17 wrote:Hey I really think the grand jury report should be added to the OP, it really clears up why everybody involved HAS TO GO. The details in the report are absolutely horrific. http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf - Very NSFW, extremely graphic details of molestation and rape by Sandusky perpetrated onto young <13 boys. O and those quotes by Penn State kids speaking of rioting.... just no
Even though they're legally adults, the brains of 18-22 year olds aren't fully developed yet. There's also a huge mob mentality going on over there right now. In a few years, most of these people will be embarrassed by what they did last night.
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On November 11 2011 02:14 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs The Second Mile wasn't Sandusky's foundation. He was a volunteer for the foundation. Paterno spoke at a fundraiser for The Second Mile.
You're picking at individual words now. The point still stands. Paterno supported a child molestor/rapist in a way that could have endangered dozens of kids when he should have been at the very least not associating with the guy or doing more to put him away.
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On November 11 2011 02:16 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:14 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs The Second Mile wasn't Sandusky's foundation. He was a volunteer for the foundation. Paterno spoke at a fundraiser for The Second Mile. You're picking at individual words now. The point still stands. Paterno supported a child molestor/rapist in a way that could have endangered dozens of kids when he should have been at the very least not associating with the guy or doing more to put him away.
When was Paterno supposed to know that Sandusky was a child molester? Oh, when he never was charged with anything, and subsequently allowed to take up a position working with children. Uright
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On November 11 2011 02:14 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs The Second Mile wasn't Sandusky's foundation. He was a volunteer for the foundation. Paterno spoke at a fundraiser for The Second Mile. Edit: I see now. You all hate him because he let someone accused of acts against children walk near him. God forbid we actually hold true to innocent until proven guilty in this country. Burn every man and woman accused of such things in my opinion. Let God sort em out, amiright?
I believe this is the exact moment you will stop trying to argue rationally.
Joe Paterno failed to protect the kids. That is what he did. He knew there was smoke, and instead of going to the authorities he kept it internal. You need to accept this. Joe failed the children who were abused by Sandusky. That is why people are mad at him. He was a larger than life figure who shrunk at a critical time when he could have prevented the future harm of children.
Joe did the exact fucking minimum to legally cover himself. When has Joe Paterno ever been about the bare minimum? He should have done more.
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On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired.
He "retired" as a coach but still had full access to Penn State facilities.
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On November 11 2011 02:22 trainRiderJ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. He "retired" as a coach but still had full access to Penn State facilities.
Correct, he also kept an office at the university until extremely recently (i believe weeks)
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On November 11 2011 02:21 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:14 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs The Second Mile wasn't Sandusky's foundation. He was a volunteer for the foundation. Paterno spoke at a fundraiser for The Second Mile. Edit: I see now. You all hate him because he let someone accused of acts against children walk near him. God forbid we actually hold true to innocent until proven guilty in this country. Burn every man and woman accused of such things in my opinion. Let God sort em out, amiright? I believe this is the exact moment you will stop trying to argue rationally. Joe Paterno failed to protect the kids. That is what he did. He knew there was smoke, and instead of going to the authorities he kept it internal. You need to accept this. Joe failed the children who were abused by Sandusky. That is why people are mad at him. He was a larger than life figure who shrunk at a critical time when he could have prevented the future harm of children. Joe did the exact fucking minimum to legally cover himself. When has Joe Paterno ever been about the bare minimum? He should have done more.
We're just going to have to disagree. I believe in waiting until all the facts are released prior to passing judgement. It's clear you and many others do not share the same beliefs. If you feel you can sway me, list out the facts. Tell me why Paterno is even morally at fault here.
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On November 11 2011 02:14 andrewlt wrote:Even though they're legally adults, the brains of 18-22 year olds aren't fully developed yet. There's also a huge mob mentality going on over there right now. In a few years, most of these people will be embarrassed by what they did last night.
Damn this shit is so confusing... I understand why they want to riot, it feels like everybody let that guy do whatever he pleased... That's sick.
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On November 11 2011 02:26 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:21 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:14 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:
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The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs The Second Mile wasn't Sandusky's foundation. He was a volunteer for the foundation. Paterno spoke at a fundraiser for The Second Mile. Edit: I see now. You all hate him because he let someone accused of acts against children walk near him. God forbid we actually hold true to innocent until proven guilty in this country. Burn every man and woman accused of such things in my opinion. Let God sort em out, amiright? I believe this is the exact moment you will stop trying to argue rationally. Joe Paterno failed to protect the kids. That is what he did. He knew there was smoke, and instead of going to the authorities he kept it internal. You need to accept this. Joe failed the children who were abused by Sandusky. That is why people are mad at him. He was a larger than life figure who shrunk at a critical time when he could have prevented the future harm of children. Joe did the exact fucking minimum to legally cover himself. When has Joe Paterno ever been about the bare minimum? He should have done more. We're just going to have to disagree. I believe in waiting until all the facts are released prior to passing judgement. It's clear you and many others do not share the same beliefs. If you feel you can sway me, list out the facts. Tell me why Paterno is even morally at fault here.
Right if Joe was interested in the facts getting out he would have gone to the authorities so a real investigation could have occurred. Instead he kept it in house. He did this because he wanted to protect the Penn State Football Program's reputation (don't even try to say he could have had fear of losing his job)
His failure to report to the authorities the possibility of a minor being raped, is why he is morally at fault.
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On November 11 2011 02:12 Bayloader wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:08 andrewlt wrote:On November 11 2011 01:52 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 trainRiderJ wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
In the real world sticking your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. If someone describes contact "of a sexual nature" between a grown man and a child, you ask them to elaborate while calling 911. If they thought McQueary was lying they obviously would have fired him. They certainly wouldn't have promoted him to the wide receiver coach and let him continue to work there to this day. You don't call 911 for non-emergency situations. Shows how much of an you know. You report the conduct to your boss, and then inform the head of the police force on the university while in a meeting with him. On November 11 2011 01:52 trainRiderJ wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit, what am I reading? You people are so off base. Did anyone even bother READING ANYTHING?
Page six of the grand jury report says Paterno was only told that Sandusky was doing something "of a sexual nature" to the 10 year old boy. That encompasses soooooo much. If I'm told something of a sexual nature has occured I don't write off the possibility of anal sex, but it sure as hell isn't at the top of my list of things that come to mind.
Paterno reported this not only to Athletics Director Tim Curley, but the man who oversaw Penn State's police force, Schultz. What the fuck more do you want him to do? Go beat the shit out of the guy? Sandusky has already been banned from the Penn State facilities following the University investigation, but Paterno doesn't necessarily know why at this point.
Is it maybe just a little bit possible that after he reported these things he was told by either the director or the head of the police force that the investigation had revealed nothing, but they were taking steps to protect the university's image? Or maybe he was told the allegations weren't enough to convict or even bring charges, so his removal from the facilities would have to be enough.
This leads me to the GA, McQueary. Who the fuck witnesses the rape of a ten year old and then waits two days to report it? And when he reports it doesn't go to any police force, but instead goes to the head coach of the football team.
All this bullshit you're slinging is based off pure speculation. Jibba I'm especially disappointed in you. Moderators are supposed to make sure they check their shit because people look and see a MiR and take what you say as fact. Did not alert authorities? What the fuck is the head of a police force then? What's the Athletic Director?
Everyone is placing wayyyyyy too much blame on Joe Paterno here. He did all that could be reasonably expected of a man in his position to do. He reported the incident to his boss, and then had meetings where he told the head of the university police force what he knew. We do not know anything that happened past this point other than Sandusky's subsequent ban from using the facilities. All your speculation resembles very closely a mob that's out of control. You're going off "gut feelings" for something that deserves to be looked at much more closely, and after all the facts come out.
If it turns out Paterno was indeed kept in the know for the whole process, then yeah, he's a bastard. If it turns out he wasn't apart of any "coverup" and was unaware of the flow of events after he told the Curley and Schultz, then I hope you all look back on this as what happens when you don't think before you pass judgement.
This is disgusting.
The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. I understand if you feel a sense of loyalty to Paterno but for your sake I would back away from the situation until your emotions calm down. No one wants to say something (or support someone) that they deeply regret later. I feel no sense of loyalty to Paterno. I don't follow college football, and I've never attended Penn State. I drove within 100 miles of it, once. I feel a sense of loyalty to anyone singled out like this when no one has even bothered to read the grand jury report and they're all talking out their ass. Did you not read the thread? We did read the grand jury report. And Paterno is not being singled out. He's just the biggest guy who needs to be fired. The entire staff needs to be fired. The entire football team needs to be shut down for at least a year. Where are your morals and your priorities in life? People in positions of power need to be held to a higher standard than doing the bare legal minimum. What would all of that accomplish? The people responsible for the coverup have either been criminally charged and/or fired/resigned. Shutting down to football team will do nothing but cause the University to lose a MASSIVE amount of funding (Penn State Football makes a lotttttt of money), which will do nothing but cause the lives of the students and the professors to suffer, as well as cause the local economy to suffer with less people visiting on the weekends for games. None of that will change the atrocities that Sandusky committed, whether or not Paterno was a part of any of it.
Accountability. Many Penn State students and alumni need to be taught the lesson that football is not bigger than the university, a lesson that is obviously lost to many, not all, but many of the people who went there. And not everybody responsible has been criminally charged or fired/resigned yet. McQueary, for one, still has his job from last I've heard.
The money football teams make mostly go to the football team, then goes to other athletic departments. Barely any goes to the general fund. Penn State's football team generates $52M in profits. The operating costs of the university is $4B. That's 1.3% only. And professors normally get grants from the government, private corporations, non-profit organizations and charities for their research work. The importance of college football to universities is overblown.
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On November 11 2011 02:29 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:26 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 02:21 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:14 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:
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Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs The Second Mile wasn't Sandusky's foundation. He was a volunteer for the foundation. Paterno spoke at a fundraiser for The Second Mile. Edit: I see now. You all hate him because he let someone accused of acts against children walk near him. God forbid we actually hold true to innocent until proven guilty in this country. Burn every man and woman accused of such things in my opinion. Let God sort em out, amiright? I believe this is the exact moment you will stop trying to argue rationally. Joe Paterno failed to protect the kids. That is what he did. He knew there was smoke, and instead of going to the authorities he kept it internal. You need to accept this. Joe failed the children who were abused by Sandusky. That is why people are mad at him. He was a larger than life figure who shrunk at a critical time when he could have prevented the future harm of children. Joe did the exact fucking minimum to legally cover himself. When has Joe Paterno ever been about the bare minimum? He should have done more. We're just going to have to disagree. I believe in waiting until all the facts are released prior to passing judgement. It's clear you and many others do not share the same beliefs. If you feel you can sway me, list out the facts. Tell me why Paterno is even morally at fault here. Right if Joe was interested in the facts getting out he would have gone to the authorities so a real investigation could have occurred. Instead he kept it in house. He did this because he wanted to protect the Penn State Football Program's reputation (don't even try to say he could have had fear of losing his job) His failure to report to the authorities the possibility of a minor being raped, is why he is morally at fault.
For some reason the head of the campus police force isn't authoritative enough for you. This is where I think our disagreement comes in. I'm sorry that we have to disagree over such a matter.
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On November 11 2011 02:19 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:16 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:14 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:50 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:49 1Eris1 wrote:
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The problem is that despite these allegations, Sandusky was still able to work and volunteer at Penn State. If you know a guys an accused rapist/molester, with pretty solid evidence behind it, how are you going to let him work in an enviourment with a lot of young men and kids? Solid evidence? Where the fuck are you seeing solid evidence? I see ZERO solid evidence. And even with your other "evidence" I don't see anything that paints Joe Paterno as the bad guy here. Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous. And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs The Second Mile wasn't Sandusky's foundation. He was a volunteer for the foundation. Paterno spoke at a fundraiser for The Second Mile. You're picking at individual words now. The point still stands. Paterno supported a child molestor/rapist in a way that could have endangered dozens of kids when he should have been at the very least not associating with the guy or doing more to put him away. When was Paterno supposed to know that Sandusky was a child molester? Oh, when he never was charged with anything, and subsequently allowed to take up a position working with children. Uright
Just because the University failed to act upon the accusations does not mean it did not happen. Paterno heard what had happened directly from the source and he didn't bother to look into it further. At the very least he should have shown some discretion.
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On November 11 2011 02:35 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:29 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:26 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 02:21 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:14 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 02:05 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:01 stokes17 wrote:On November 11 2011 02:00 1Eris1 wrote:On November 11 2011 01:56 Risen wrote:On November 11 2011 01:53 1Eris1 wrote:
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Okay, you keep asking people if they read the GJ testimony, now I'm going to ask if you actually read it? The evidence in there is so clear it's ridiculous.
And yeah, because a good guy would let a known raper/molester continue working under him because football>justice apparentely. Perhaps I should clarify. Where is the evidence that JOE PATERNO had anything to do with all this. Where is the evidence that he participated in a coverup? Where is the evidence that he didn't do everything he was supposed to do? There is a mountain of evidence detailing Sandusky as a pedophile. I'm not arguing that. Where the fuck does it say anywhere in that grand jury report that Paterno didn't do everything he was supposed to do? He LET Sandusky continue working under him. I don't care how close they are, how important football is. He should have at least suspended Sandusky and waited until the shit was worked out. Instead he just tossed the problem off on to others and let a child rapist continue to doing his thing. Should Paterno be charged as an accomplice? No probably not. Is part of the blame his? Of course. How can you defend this... Just to clarify The incident that was brought to Joe's attention by McQuerey occurred after Sandusky had retired. And he still let Sandusky volunteer on Campus, work in programs related to kids, etc. He even spoke on Sandusky's behalf at a children's fundraiser ffs The Second Mile wasn't Sandusky's foundation. He was a volunteer for the foundation. Paterno spoke at a fundraiser for The Second Mile. Edit: I see now. You all hate him because he let someone accused of acts against children walk near him. God forbid we actually hold true to innocent until proven guilty in this country. Burn every man and woman accused of such things in my opinion. Let God sort em out, amiright? I believe this is the exact moment you will stop trying to argue rationally. Joe Paterno failed to protect the kids. That is what he did. He knew there was smoke, and instead of going to the authorities he kept it internal. You need to accept this. Joe failed the children who were abused by Sandusky. That is why people are mad at him. He was a larger than life figure who shrunk at a critical time when he could have prevented the future harm of children. Joe did the exact fucking minimum to legally cover himself. When has Joe Paterno ever been about the bare minimum? He should have done more. We're just going to have to disagree. I believe in waiting until all the facts are released prior to passing judgement. It's clear you and many others do not share the same beliefs. If you feel you can sway me, list out the facts. Tell me why Paterno is even morally at fault here. Right if Joe was interested in the facts getting out he would have gone to the authorities so a real investigation could have occurred. Instead he kept it in house. He did this because he wanted to protect the Penn State Football Program's reputation (don't even try to say he could have had fear of losing his job) His failure to report to the authorities the possibility of a minor being raped, is why he is morally at fault. For some reason the head of the campus police force isn't authoritative enough for you. This is where I think our disagreement comes in. I'm sorry that we have to disagree over such a matter.
Of course that's not enough. Joe Paterno knew the people in power at the university would place protecting the football program's perfect record over truly investigating the allegations. He decided to take part in this protection. He is morally responsible.
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