EPTNow of course, I am not saying gambling is akin to possessing child porn, but like gambling, we should instead try to help these people recover from their psychological problems, not throw them away. They're still people, and they can be molded back into ideal members of society.
Man sentenced to life for possession of child porn - Page 9
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
Now of course, I am not saying gambling is akin to possessing child porn, but like gambling, we should instead try to help these people recover from their psychological problems, not throw them away. They're still people, and they can be molded back into ideal members of society. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17613 Posts
On November 06 2011 10:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: No one here thinks child porn is acceptable... But a life sentence? Jeez. That's just ridiculous x.x What the heck? My father perspective? One less to worry about. (which is in no way equivalent to my objective ethical views) | ||
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Happylime
United States133 Posts
Child porn is sick. | ||
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lSasquatchl
United States309 Posts
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
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Datz2Ez
Canada76 Posts
Very hard to judge. I mean... it has to be punish... yes obviously. But I feel like there is no ressource for these people who have other deviation then homosexual, who are now socially (most of the time) accepted. I will give an example that will make people insult me and all, but if you see it in a rational way I think (maybe I'm wrong) that I am right. Homosexual, are the same as pedophile... it is a sexual deviation. You can also compare all of these with necrophiliac, and finaly zoophilic. These are all deviation from heterosexual. The problem is that neither homosexual or zoophilic people harm people. While pedophil will mostly abuse child. Their is literally no ressource for these people to fall back on because they are seen as monster. In reality they are not worse then an homosexual. So in the end, I am obviously agaisn't any sexual action taken agaisn't a child. However I would blame more us, the society who judge them so harshly while giving them no other escape than to assume their deviation. Forgive my english, my first language is french so you might have trouble understanding what I am saying. | ||
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Coutcha
Canada519 Posts
why does fucked up shit like that always happen in USA... like wtf anyone that went on /b/ prolly saw some shit like that (fucking gross ... thats i only use reddit now) but that one guy right click and saved... and dl some more... thats quite the same thing as killing someone? WTF i could go and rape my neighbor right now and get less than that.. that makes me angry ... happy not to live in the great land of freedom | ||
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Gobe
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Happylime
United States133 Posts
On November 06 2011 11:59 Datz2Ez wrote: Meeeeh, Very hard to judge. I mean... it has to be punish... yes obviously. But I feel like there is no ressource for these people who have other deviation then homosexual, who are now socially (most of the time) accepted. I will give an example that will make people insult me and all, but if you see it in a rational way I think (maybe I'm wrong) that I am right. Homosexual, are the same as pedophile... it is a sexual deviation. You can also compare all of these with necrophiliac, and finaly zoophilic. These are all deviation from heterosexual. The problem is that neither homosexual or zoophilic people harm people. While pedophil will mostly abuse child. Their is literally no ressource for these people to fall back on because they are seen as monster. In reality they are not worse then an homosexual. So in the end, I am obviously agaisn't any sexual action taken agaisn't a child. However I would blame more us, the society who judge them so harshly while giving them no other escape than to assume their deviation. Forgive my english, my first language is french so you might have trouble understanding what I am saying. It's not the same. One is taking advantage of small children who will be scarred for their lives. The other tends to be consensual and is not taking advantage of anyone. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
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lSasquatchl
United States309 Posts
On November 06 2011 11:59 Datz2Ez wrote: Meeeeh, Very hard to judge. I mean... it has to be punish... yes obviously. But I feel like there is no ressource for these people who have other deviation then homosexual, who are now socially (most of the time) accepted. I will give an example that will make people insult me and all, but if you see it in a rational way I think (maybe I'm wrong) that I am right. Homosexual, are the same as pedophile... it is a sexual deviation. You can also compare all of these with necrophiliac, and finaly zoophilic. These are all deviation from heterosexual. The problem is that neither homosexual or zoophilic people harm people. While pedophil will mostly abuse child. Their is literally no ressource for these people to fall back on because they are seen as monster. In reality they are not worse then an homosexual. So in the end, I am obviously agaisn't any sexual action taken agaisn't a child. However I would blame more us, the society who judge them so harshly while giving them no other escape than to assume their deviation. Forgive my english, my first language is french so you might have trouble understanding what I am saying. I've been thinking this way for quite a while...My thought process was more along the line when pedophiles, start saying that they were born that way, and in this case that he had taken no action against a child. But I guess thats the justice system :\ | ||
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Datz2Ez
Canada76 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:02 Happylime wrote: It's not the same. One is taking advantage of small children who will be scarred for their lives. The other tends to be consensual and is not taking advantage of anyone. That is my point, when I am stating that " The problem is that neither homosexual or zoophilic people harm people.". You are totally right they are consensual. So they harm no one, but in the end it's just another deviation! | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
- What if they are just under the age limit, or it is difficult to tell - What if no child was harmed in the making (for example, they shot the images themselves and it is not hardcore) Having a step jump from no offence to life for this kind of thing will lead to some very narrow decisions. (Obviously the images this guy had were indefensible so at least some prison time is warranted if not life) | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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Draconizard
628 Posts
On November 06 2011 11:59 Datz2Ez wrote: Meeeeh, Very hard to judge. I mean... it has to be punish... yes obviously. But I feel like there is no ressource for these people who have other deviation then homosexual, who are now socially (most of the time) accepted. I will give an example that will make people insult me and all, but if you see it in a rational way I think (maybe I'm wrong) that I am right. Homosexual, are the same as pedophile... it is a sexual deviation. You can also compare all of these with necrophiliac, and finaly zoophilic. These are all deviation from heterosexual. The problem is that neither homosexual or zoophilic people harm people. While pedophil will mostly abuse child. Their is literally no ressource for these people to fall back on because they are seen as monster. In reality they are not worse then an homosexual. So in the end, I am obviously agaisn't any sexual action taken agaisn't a child. However I would blame more us, the society who judge them so harshly while giving them no other escape than to assume their deviation. Forgive my english, my first language is french so you might have trouble understanding what I am saying. Careful, don't conflate having a sexual fetish with performing the act itself. There are many self-avowed pedophiles who would never actually harm a child. Likewise, being a necrophiliac doesn't mean one steals corpses from the local morgue. | ||
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Coutcha
Canada519 Posts
On November 06 2011 11:59 Datz2Ez wrote: Meeeeh, Very hard to judge. I mean... it has to be punish... yes obviously. But I feel like there is no ressource for these people who have other deviation then homosexual, who are now socially (most of the time) accepted. I will give an example that will make people insult me and all, but if you see it in a rational way I think (maybe I'm wrong) that I am right. Homosexual, are the same as pedophile... it is a sexual deviation. You can also compare all of these with necrophiliac, and finaly zoophilic. These are all deviation from heterosexual. The problem is that neither homosexual or zoophilic people harm people. While pedophil will mostly abuse child. Their is literally no ressource for these people to fall back on because they are seen as monster. In reality they are not worse then an homosexual. So in the end, I am obviously agaisn't any sexual action taken agaisn't a child. However I would blame more us, the society who judge them so harshly while giving them no other escape than to assume their deviation. Forgive my english, my first language is french so you might have trouble understanding what I am saying. I kinda agree with that its only wrong because children younger that around 18 (that really depends of the people but whatever) cannot agree or are not grown up enough to be consenting... so its wrong to do it... but for someone with that deviation it must be really hard not to look/download when its so aviable on internet... Imagine if normal straight porn was illegal and that we could get lfe penalty for it tomorrow... how hard it would be not to google it when we know internet is full of it.. anyway... fuck that system -_- its not working | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On November 06 2011 11:59 Datz2Ez wrote: Meeeeh, Very hard to judge. I mean... it has to be punish... yes obviously. But I feel like there is no ressource for these people who have other deviation then homosexual, who are now socially (most of the time) accepted. I will give an example that will make people insult me and all, but if you see it in a rational way I think (maybe I'm wrong) that I am right. Homosexual, are the same as pedophile... it is a sexual deviation. You can also compare all of these with necrophiliac, and finaly zoophilic. These are all deviation from heterosexual. The problem is that neither homosexual or zoophilic people harm people. While pedophil will mostly abuse child. Their is literally no ressource for these people to fall back on because they are seen as monster. In reality they are not worse then an homosexual. So in the end, I am obviously agaisn't any sexual action taken agaisn't a child. However I would blame more us, the society who judge them so harshly while giving them no other escape than to assume their deviation. Forgive my english, my first language is french so you might have trouble understanding what I am saying. I agree with you quite a bit about the fact that because its such an abhorrent thing to abuse a child sexually there is generally very little thought given to the rehabilitation and the help of the offenders and more about either locking them up or watching them for the rest of their lives. Its not like they woke up and decided one day to get turned on by kids. If we had a way of promoting them to speak up about it to get treatment instead of making them afraid to say anything because they don't want to be labeled a freak and a pervert. | ||
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lSasquatchl
United States309 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:02 Happylime wrote: It's not the same. One is taking advantage of small children who will be scarred for their lives. The other tends to be consensual and is not taking advantage of anyone. Having picture and videos is not taking advantage of anyone. It doesn't merit life in prison. Parents who abuse their children don't get this type of sentence. | ||
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:02 Happylime wrote: The guy you're quoting understood that (I bolded another section of your quotation.) He's saying that there's also a knee-jerk reaction that's based on revulsion for this particular deviation from the norm, independent of whether the person in question actually took advantage of anyone (there doesn't seem to be much if any reason to assume that Vilca did). If you read through the thread you can see a few examples of that: people posting things like, "child pornography is gross--anyone consuming it should be imprisoned/killed".It's not the same. One is taking advantage of small children who will be scarred for their lives. The other tends to be consensual and is not taking advantage of anyone. edit: dammit--I take too long to write posts! Every time I respond to someone in this thread, someone's already made my point before me. | ||
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