On November 14 2011 15:51 ODieN wrote: I just read the title, and all I have to say is: This man deserves it.
Wow, I thought we were done with people like this in the thread, but apparently not. Please read the article, and if you still think so, then this means: 1. You believe possession of pictures is enough for life. 2. You think murder is better than possession of pictures or rape. 3. You should get help, because your thought process is really scary.
Also, read the actual thread please, your opinion might be a little more developed if you do.
Note #2 doesn't necessarily hold, the poster may believe that murders/rapist should also get life without parole.. or something worse.
On November 14 2011 15:51 ODieN wrote: I just read the title, and all I have to say is: This man deserves it.
Wow, I thought we were done with people like this in the thread, but apparently not. Please read the article, and if you still think so, then this means: 1. You believe possession of pictures is enough for life. 2. You think murder is better than possession of pictures or rape. 3. You should get help, because your thought process is really scary.
Also, read the actual thread please, your opinion might be a little more developed if you do.
Note #2 doesn't necessarily hold, the poster may believe that murders/rapist should also get life without parole.. or something worse.
Mostly because I can't think of anything worse than life in prison, and murder should not be anywhere near equal to the others, I'd still have to say 2 bears some ground.
I still think there's something wrong with giving even murder a life sentence. I can't even really explain why, just to do with morals and stuff I guess. Can't really find a way to argue that murderers shouldn't get life
On November 14 2011 15:51 ODieN wrote: I just read the title, and all I have to say is: This man deserves it.
Wow, I thought we were done with people like this in the thread, but apparently not. Please read the article, and if you still think so, then this means: 1. You believe possession of pictures is enough for life. 2. You think murder is better than possession of pictures or rape. 3. You should get help, because your thought process is really scary.
Also, read the actual thread please, your opinion might be a little more developed if you do.
Note #2 doesn't necessarily hold, the poster may believe that murders/rapist should also get life without parole.. or something worse.
Mostly because I can't think of anything worse than life in prison, and murder should not be anywhere near equal to the others, I'd still have to say 2 bears some ground.
I still think there's something wrong with giving even murder a life sentence. I can't even really explain why, just to do with morals and stuff I guess. Can't really find a way to argue that murderers shouldn't get life
Well capital punishment is practiced in the US (although whether that is worse or better than life in prison is debatable... it is definitely More than life in prison). Not to mention there are a whole lot of punishments that are or used to be practiced in other nations that are worse than life in prison (even for a child sex related criminal).
mmm i find this such a hard topic, i am no judge and don't know specifics of the case, like are we talking 1 zip download or an collection over time so i can't decide if this punishment is suitable. literately, my first thought was "thats kinda over the top". but pondering a bit more, and i kinda agree with setting an example. ( side notes here didn't read anything other then OP en last page). I assume the dude can get out earlier, knowledge of US law is to lil to make any assessment, but i kinda assume that if he behaves well in prison he'll be out pretty soon, (sorry if i was to lazy and it's no chance on parole) and the precedent set by this i assume will be a good deterrent in the future for (other)/those monsters. I say this because i do think crimes against children are the worst imaginable, and i assume that the Law fields of Internet childpornography are not that well threaded.
On November 15 2011 08:09 henkel wrote: mmm i find this such a hard topic, i am no judge and don't know specifics of the case, like are we talking 1 zip download or an collection over time so i can't decide if this punishment is suitable. literately, my first thought was "thats kinda over the top". but pondering a bit more, and i kinda agree with setting an example. ( side notes here didn't read anything other then OP en last page). I assume the dude can get out earlier, knowledge of US law is to lil to make any assessment, but i kinda assume that if he behaves well in prison he'll be out pretty soon, (sorry if i was to lazy and it's no chance on parole) and the precedent set by this i assume will be a good deterrent in the future for (other)/those monsters. I say this because i do think crimes against children are the worst imaginable, and i assume that the Law fields of Internet childpornography are not that well threaded.
it's life without parole...
i hope he wins his appeal. he had 500 pictures on his comp. he got 5y per picture, a 'little' over the top. ~10y sounds more reasonable.
interesting how less then 1 minute of downloading the wrong stuff can get you life without parole... ridiculous much?
On November 15 2011 08:09 henkel wrote: mmm i find this such a hard topic, i am no judge and don't know specifics of the case, like are we talking 1 zip download or an collection over time so i can't decide if this punishment is suitable. literately, my first thought was "thats kinda over the top". but pondering a bit more, and i kinda agree with setting an example. ( side notes here didn't read anything other then OP en last page). I assume the dude can get out earlier, knowledge of US law is to lil to make any assessment, but i kinda assume that if he behaves well in prison he'll be out pretty soon, (sorry if i was to lazy and it's no chance on parole) and the precedent set by this i assume will be a good deterrent in the future for (other)/those monsters. I say this because i do think crimes against children are the worst imaginable, and i assume that the Law fields of Internet childpornography are not that well threaded.
it's life without parole...
i hope he wins his appeal. he had 500 pictures on his comp. he got 5y per picture, a 'little' over the top. ~10y sounds more reasonable.
interesting how less then 1 minute of downloading the wrong stuff can get you life without parole... ridiculous much?
5 years per picture huh? Good thing he didn't have a single 15 second video clip. At 60 frames per second, thats 900 images, and so 4500 years in prison. Such an absurd way to calculate sentences.
This is kind of absurd that you can download videos of executions with no punishment but get life sentence for child porn. I mean couldn't the same arguments be applied for execution videos, ie it encourages more executions by watching them ect ect. I think both are gross but I don't want life sentences for either one.
On November 15 2011 11:38 adacan wrote: This is kind of absurd that you can download videos of executions with no punishment but get life sentence for child porn. I mean couldn't the same arguments be applied for execution videos, ie it encourages more executions by watching them ect ect. I think both are gross but I don't want life sentences for either one.
Indeed. That argument never worked for me.
What does work for me is that the victims feel even worse knowing that there are people watching the abuse they went through (and probably even worse knowing they're enjoying it).
At the same time, though, the argument that people are at least more likely to film and share if there are people to film and share to when it comes to child porn doesn't seem that far fetched. People murdering so that other people can watch, however, does. (And filming a murder doesn't exactly make it worse, the person is dead)
This is kind of obscene, considering people have gotten much leaner sentences when convicted of rape. If you compared rape and downloading "illegal" porn, I think too be honest. The more normal punishment would be a fine and prison time.
I don't condone child porn, but the people who deserve this sentence are the people involved in the film. The truth is, child porn is extremely disturbing. But child molestation is not that uncommon in the United States. I for some reason feel like the justice system flaws revolve arrogant judges not giving a fuck and doing whatever they please.
Just like some kids being sent to juvie for being gay. Fix the problem not the symptom.
On November 15 2011 08:09 henkel wrote: mmm i find this such a hard topic, i am no judge and don't know specifics of the case, like are we talking 1 zip download or an collection over time so i can't decide if this punishment is suitable. literately, my first thought was "thats kinda over the top". but pondering a bit more, and i kinda agree with setting an example. ( side notes here didn't read anything other then OP en last page). I assume the dude can get out earlier, knowledge of US law is to lil to make any assessment, but i kinda assume that if he behaves well in prison he'll be out pretty soon, (sorry if i was to lazy and it's no chance on parole) and the precedent set by this i assume will be a good deterrent in the future for (other)/those monsters. I say this because i do think crimes against children are the worst imaginable, and i assume that the Law fields of Internet childpornography are not that well threaded.
it's life without parole...
i hope he wins his appeal. he had 500 pictures on his comp. he got 5y per picture, a 'little' over the top. ~10y sounds more reasonable.
interesting how less then 1 minute of downloading the wrong stuff can get you life without parole... ridiculous much?
5 years per picture huh? Good thing he didn't have a single 15 second video clip. At 60 frames per second, thats 900 images, and so 4500 years in prison. Such an absurd way to calculate sentences.
If he didn't pay for them, I don't see how he's supporting the industry. I also don't get how he'd get a lighter sentence by actually molesting a child, compared to having images of someone else molesting a child (and isn't that person who's in the picture going to get punished too..?) .. Also think that whenever they catch someone looking at sick shit like child porn, they should identify the people who are in the pictures molesting the children and find the person/people producing the pictures. o___o;;
On November 15 2011 23:42 Undrass wrote: Wait, what. Is it possible to convict thought-crime too now?
yeee bro 1984.
I find it actually stupid how possession of child porn can get such a heavy punishment. This guy has a fetish or sth, he doesnt even act on it. He's harmless. Now, if he acted on his urges it would be different, but arresting this guy for possession of child porn is stupid. If other people were treated like this for normal porn, every male over 14 would get arrested -_-
Ludicrious how somebody who instead of actually performing the act on other children just watches it and is given a bigger sentence than murderers. I also find it disgusting how he most likely would of got a less harsh sentence if he had actually sexually abused a child. lolololoolol what a legal system.
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