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Like I said before, cows are already extinct. They were hunted to extinction in the 17th century.
Also I can't understand all these people from Asian cultures that try to defend this by attacking western cultures with 'what if's. What if eating turkey were an environmental problem. Yeah what if? So what? It doesn't change anything for shark fins.
What if a Chinese version of Gaddafi will run China in 10 years. You still oppose democracy?
Look eating meat is already an environmental problem. In the US they eat beef and pork fed with soy grown on destroyed Amazon rain forest ground. In Russia they eat sturgeon caviar. In Japan they eat blue fin tuna, dolphin and whale, etc. That doesn't excuse anything. It's still a fucking problem.
Then leave it to the scientists to judge what is worse. But who fucking cares. At this point I basically think the environment if fucked and we will go into mass extinction anyway. Even if we were all concerned, we don't have the willpower to change it. And at this point we have tons of deniers and tons of people who believe but don't fucking care because they won't be alive then. And many of them are in power. Like in the US congress.
So at this point you can say, yes India and China will fuck over the planet. But only by doing the same thing western countries did. So who is to blame?
In the mean time don't call the person who criticizes western culture all the time, deliberately doesn't drive a car or eat meat a hypocrite. You can't defend by pulling the hypocrite because some are not. So what will you do then? Western cultures is one of hypocrisy. Well well, every human has hypocrisy hardcoded into them genetically. So what will you do?
Either you defend shark fin consumption and fail at debating while being wrong. Or you don't. Take your pick.
In the mean time I would suggest Chinese to work on their image. It's bad. At least Americans kind of give off the feeling they care about the environment (as opposed to their politicians but I think by now we all know about the huge gap between policy and public opinion), while they fuck it over. Too many Chinese just outright say they spit on environmentalism while pollution in China actually got so bad the politicians have started to worry about it.
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A good move, if sharks are really becoming endangered that is.
With all the swathes of tens of thousands of sea critters mysteriously washing up dead on the shores of all continents, they may just have to ban all food consumption everywhere!
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Im half chinese and I've had shark fin soup many times, and Ramsay is pretty right when he says the broth is good and the fin is just a kind of texture that is infused with the broth flavour. It's pretty easy to find a substitute for the texture with today's cooking abilities and whatever.
I'm glad that Toronto decided to ban consumption because something, anything - needs to be done. There are a zillion chinese people and shark populations everywhere are dwindling. Eventually rich chinese people are just going to have to eat something else because there wont be anymore sharks to eat after theyve killed them all in a ridiculously unsustainable fashion. After that happens, restaurants will just serve "shark fin" soup which is completed with pig cartilage and no one will know the difference.
So why not just start doing that now and give them a chance to straighten out the ecosystem again. A ban wont stop consumption completely and will push it underground for a little while, but at least it will be FAR more expensive so the average chinese person can't afford it (hopefully) - I mean if youre willing to mortgage your house for a bowl of soup, more power to you - but it is in no one's actual best interest to just keep things the way they are. With the ban comes education, and who knows, maybe one day shark populations will become healthy enough so that we can have the soup again, but for that to happen, we have to stop murdifying them indiscriminately just to have "good luck".
All the asians in this thread crying about the ban are just saying BUT I WANT IT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Use some logic FFS.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
support the ban ^_^
there are million other yummy chinese things out there that aren't inhumane, and yeah..when i was young and had it for the first time i thought it was the most awesome shit on earth but then i realized it's just cuz the soup is awesome and full of flavour. the texture of the sharks fin is pretty cool though, but it's not worth destryoing nature for it.
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On October 27 2011 12:54 Reborn8u wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 09:37 Kiarip wrote:On October 27 2011 09:33 Reborn8u wrote:I think humanity has driven enough species out of existence. Even if you lack compassion, it's obvious that we threaten our own existence if we don't change our ways. Totally support the ban, these animals should be treated with more respect. Just last year another species of rhino became extinct. We have a responsibility as the dominant species on this planet to stop acting like jackasses by annihilating lifeforms. http://www.livescience.com/16744-vietnam-javan-rhino-extinct.html Here is a list of endangered shark species, there are 201 of them. These animals have existed for millions of years and in just a few generations we are managing to erase them from existence. http://www.shark.ch/Database/EndangeredSharks/index.html?lim=8&slang=2 on average there's a species going extinct every 20 minutes. If there's a suppl for shark fins there will be a demand regardles of whether it's legal or not, you're just forcing honest people trying to make their living into becoming criminals... It's not our responsibility to save individual species, or even to avoid destroying them altogether, unless their lack of existence poses some kind of negative consequences for whoever's is gonna be left alive. There is a species going extinct every 20 minutes Because of humans No, we are not forcing them to become criminals, we are forcing them to not cause extinction. There are plenty of other aquatic animals they can hunt for profit, that don't face extinction. A lot of seafood is being farmed these days. Maybe they should try it. (Most of us) We have these things called brains, when we use them and really think about our role on this planet, and what an oasis of life this Earth is. Among the vast emptiness of space that surrounds this planet completely devoid of anything that can sustain life. We realize that It IS our responsibility to save species instead of destroying them "We don't need sharks in the seas for any reason. They eat fish, and we're already over-fishing the Oceans, so overpopulation of fish won't be a problem, most people don't eat actual sharks, they don't compose a large portion of people's diet, so if someone want's to have shark fins there's literally no negative consequence to it other than people in the future not being able to get shark fins..." This is just such an ignorant statement I'm not even sure how to respond. Are you trolling? Apex predators like sharks are CRUCIAL to a healthy eco system. They weed out the weak and sick, and make sure that the stronger and healthier prey survive into adulthood. Everything on this planet has a role and co-exists (except humans) their existence has a purpose grander than such small minded thinking can comprehend. The fact that you honestly believe that everything on this planet is just here so we can harvest it until it's gone, leaves me almost speechless. This kind of thinking is EXACTLY what will lead humans to their own self destruction. I feel ashamed that we are even the same species. You need to do some reading kid, because arrogance and ignorance go hand and hand. You clearly are a pile of both, there are mountains of research about the role apex predators fill and their importance. Maybe you should try to learn what you are talking about before you spew the first idiotic thing that comes to mind. A decade or so ago, scientists re-introduced wolves to Yellow Stone National Park. Humans had eradicated them from the mid-western U.S. It was controversial at the time, a lot of foolish people made terrible arguments about the lack of necessity. Now that they are once again thriving, it is clear to everyone how important they are. All of the herds of grazing animals have become overall healthier, and are maintaining sustainable populations. They have brought balance. The reproduction of the wolves' prey is being kept in check, the grazing herds can't just stand around all day doing nothing and making babies. They are being chased by wolf packs and forced to stay on the move. The weak don't survive to create weak offspring. Also, many scavenger animals are thriving again because of the carcasses being left. Ecosystems are incredibly complex, it's not about "what can they do for us" They do things for us that are so indirect we don't even realize it. Do you realize that the reason this earth has an atmosphere and breathable oxygen is because microscopic organisms in the ocean were performing photosynthesis for billions of years, of which oxygen is a byproduct. All the oxygen then floated to the surface and accumulated creating the biosphere your breathing right now? If you didn't realize this would you also say about them "it's just plankton who cares if it goes extinct?" Would you just pull a part out of your car engine, when you didn't understand it's role? Then jump on the highway and try to drive to Miami. No, because the car might run for a little while, but that part might have been part of your cooling system. So now 20 miles down the road your engine is catching fire. Bottom line, our generation was born unto a dying world. Yea, that's right, if things keep going the way they are then it isn't a question of "if we will all die" it's a question of "how long till it happens". Humanities destruction of earths environment has started a timer, that ends with our own extinction. Problem is we don't understand how to read the clock, we don't know how much time we have to try and fix what we've done. Yeah, sharks might be just a tiny piece of the overall issue. But it's the thinking (or complete lack of) behind this behavior that I find so disturbing.
I just want to quote it once more because it`s a really good post and it shouldn`t be lost in this rackety of ignorance and unspeakable shortsightedness.
It`s understandable that some people support the view of "why should we give a fuck", it`s just an outgrowth of a survival-based, separatist worldview which causes those people to not understand that they are not an island of importance on this planet; that this planet and life on it are all interconnected; and that their very own lives are dependant on whether they understand it or continue to express the alleged comfort of ego-care.
However, it doesn`t change the fact that it`s harmful and it shouldn`t remain ignored.
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On October 27 2011 22:49 Symbioth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 12:54 Reborn8u wrote:On October 27 2011 09:37 Kiarip wrote:On October 27 2011 09:33 Reborn8u wrote:I think humanity has driven enough species out of existence. Even if you lack compassion, it's obvious that we threaten our own existence if we don't change our ways. Totally support the ban, these animals should be treated with more respect. Just last year another species of rhino became extinct. We have a responsibility as the dominant species on this planet to stop acting like jackasses by annihilating lifeforms. http://www.livescience.com/16744-vietnam-javan-rhino-extinct.html Here is a list of endangered shark species, there are 201 of them. These animals have existed for millions of years and in just a few generations we are managing to erase them from existence. http://www.shark.ch/Database/EndangeredSharks/index.html?lim=8&slang=2 on average there's a species going extinct every 20 minutes. If there's a suppl for shark fins there will be a demand regardles of whether it's legal or not, you're just forcing honest people trying to make their living into becoming criminals... It's not our responsibility to save individual species, or even to avoid destroying them altogether, unless their lack of existence poses some kind of negative consequences for whoever's is gonna be left alive. There is a species going extinct every 20 minutes Because of humans No, we are not forcing them to become criminals, we are forcing them to not cause extinction. There are plenty of other aquatic animals they can hunt for profit, that don't face extinction. A lot of seafood is being farmed these days. Maybe they should try it. (Most of us) We have these things called brains, when we use them and really think about our role on this planet, and what an oasis of life this Earth is. Among the vast emptiness of space that surrounds this planet completely devoid of anything that can sustain life. We realize that It IS our responsibility to save species instead of destroying them "We don't need sharks in the seas for any reason. They eat fish, and we're already over-fishing the Oceans, so overpopulation of fish won't be a problem, most people don't eat actual sharks, they don't compose a large portion of people's diet, so if someone want's to have shark fins there's literally no negative consequence to it other than people in the future not being able to get shark fins..." This is just such an ignorant statement I'm not even sure how to respond. Are you trolling? Apex predators like sharks are CRUCIAL to a healthy eco system. They weed out the weak and sick, and make sure that the stronger and healthier prey survive into adulthood. Everything on this planet has a role and co-exists (except humans) their existence has a purpose grander than such small minded thinking can comprehend. The fact that you honestly believe that everything on this planet is just here so we can harvest it until it's gone, leaves me almost speechless. This kind of thinking is EXACTLY what will lead humans to their own self destruction. I feel ashamed that we are even the same species. You need to do some reading kid, because arrogance and ignorance go hand and hand. You clearly are a pile of both, there are mountains of research about the role apex predators fill and their importance. Maybe you should try to learn what you are talking about before you spew the first idiotic thing that comes to mind. A decade or so ago, scientists re-introduced wolves to Yellow Stone National Park. Humans had eradicated them from the mid-western U.S. It was controversial at the time, a lot of foolish people made terrible arguments about the lack of necessity. Now that they are once again thriving, it is clear to everyone how important they are. All of the herds of grazing animals have become overall healthier, and are maintaining sustainable populations. They have brought balance. The reproduction of the wolves' prey is being kept in check, the grazing herds can't just stand around all day doing nothing and making babies. They are being chased by wolf packs and forced to stay on the move. The weak don't survive to create weak offspring. Also, many scavenger animals are thriving again because of the carcasses being left. Ecosystems are incredibly complex, it's not about "what can they do for us" They do things for us that are so indirect we don't even realize it. Do you realize that the reason this earth has an atmosphere and breathable oxygen is because microscopic organisms in the ocean were performing photosynthesis for billions of years, of which oxygen is a byproduct. All the oxygen then floated to the surface and accumulated creating the biosphere your breathing right now? If you didn't realize this would you also say about them "it's just plankton who cares if it goes extinct?" Would you just pull a part out of your car engine, when you didn't understand it's role? Then jump on the highway and try to drive to Miami. No, because the car might run for a little while, but that part might have been part of your cooling system. So now 20 miles down the road your engine is catching fire. Bottom line, our generation was born unto a dying world. Yea, that's right, if things keep going the way they are then it isn't a question of "if we will all die" it's a question of "how long till it happens". Humanities destruction of earths environment has started a timer, that ends with our own extinction. Problem is we don't understand how to read the clock, we don't know how much time we have to try and fix what we've done. Yeah, sharks might be just a tiny piece of the overall issue. But it's the thinking (or complete lack of) behind this behavior that I find so disturbing. I just want to quote it once more because it`s a really good post and it shouldn`t be lost in the storm of rackety ignorance and expressions of unspeakable shortsightedness.
Oh no... he's ashamed to be of the same species as me... how terrible.
Maybe he should tell all those studying how to cure cancer, aids and all other diseases to stop, because it makes us live far too long.
Or maybe he should go around and tell every family that they can only have one child. I understand he lives in the world of rainbows and lollipops, but the human population is growing, and to make room for ourselves we eliminate other species... It's just the way things are.
Also, you're turning criminals out of honest people by making shark-finning illegal, if your father was a shark-finner and your grandfather was also a shark fisher/hunter, then it's all you know how to do, what the hell would you do? Would you stop hunting sharks and not be able to feed your kids or would you disobey the law and continue to sell shark-fins at even higher prices? I betting on the second one.
If the extinction of sharks would in fact bring about a cataclysm for the humans, then I'm all for trying to stop it in a method that's not too wasteful of our resources, but I just don't think that this is possible.
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and we don't have a responsibility to save anything but ourselves. We are animals like any other animals.
It's a double standard to first blame someone for believing that human well-being is more important than animal well-being, just because we're humans, but then to go ahead and claim that humans have some kind of added responsibilities over those of the rest of the animals.
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Canada13379 Posts
i feel that if the whole shark is being used and we are very strict with regulations it could be ok but considering the way it currently works I support the ban. I would prefer to support strict regulations on how the shark can be caught, how many, and how to use the shark meat. Just cutting off a fin and throwing it into the water is pretty terrible.
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I hate those arguments with people saying "It is part of our culture, we have to keep it." It is always the same... they just do not listen to the rational people that tell them "You wont be able to keep doing it when you basically kill too many sharks!" And the unethical treatment of throwing the shark back in to a water without the fin is even worse.
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On October 27 2011 23:11 Kiarip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 22:49 Symbioth wrote:On October 27 2011 12:54 Reborn8u wrote:On October 27 2011 09:37 Kiarip wrote:On October 27 2011 09:33 Reborn8u wrote:I think humanity has driven enough species out of existence. Even if you lack compassion, it's obvious that we threaten our own existence if we don't change our ways. Totally support the ban, these animals should be treated with more respect. Just last year another species of rhino became extinct. We have a responsibility as the dominant species on this planet to stop acting like jackasses by annihilating lifeforms. http://www.livescience.com/16744-vietnam-javan-rhino-extinct.html Here is a list of endangered shark species, there are 201 of them. These animals have existed for millions of years and in just a few generations we are managing to erase them from existence. http://www.shark.ch/Database/EndangeredSharks/index.html?lim=8&slang=2 on average there's a species going extinct every 20 minutes. If there's a suppl for shark fins there will be a demand regardles of whether it's legal or not, you're just forcing honest people trying to make their living into becoming criminals... It's not our responsibility to save individual species, or even to avoid destroying them altogether, unless their lack of existence poses some kind of negative consequences for whoever's is gonna be left alive. There is a species going extinct every 20 minutes Because of humans No, we are not forcing them to become criminals, we are forcing them to not cause extinction. There are plenty of other aquatic animals they can hunt for profit, that don't face extinction. A lot of seafood is being farmed these days. Maybe they should try it. (Most of us) We have these things called brains, when we use them and really think about our role on this planet, and what an oasis of life this Earth is. Among the vast emptiness of space that surrounds this planet completely devoid of anything that can sustain life. We realize that It IS our responsibility to save species instead of destroying them "We don't need sharks in the seas for any reason. They eat fish, and we're already over-fishing the Oceans, so overpopulation of fish won't be a problem, most people don't eat actual sharks, they don't compose a large portion of people's diet, so if someone want's to have shark fins there's literally no negative consequence to it other than people in the future not being able to get shark fins..." This is just such an ignorant statement I'm not even sure how to respond. Are you trolling? Apex predators like sharks are CRUCIAL to a healthy eco system. They weed out the weak and sick, and make sure that the stronger and healthier prey survive into adulthood. Everything on this planet has a role and co-exists (except humans) their existence has a purpose grander than such small minded thinking can comprehend. The fact that you honestly believe that everything on this planet is just here so we can harvest it until it's gone, leaves me almost speechless. This kind of thinking is EXACTLY what will lead humans to their own self destruction. I feel ashamed that we are even the same species. You need to do some reading kid, because arrogance and ignorance go hand and hand. You clearly are a pile of both, there are mountains of research about the role apex predators fill and their importance. Maybe you should try to learn what you are talking about before you spew the first idiotic thing that comes to mind. A decade or so ago, scientists re-introduced wolves to Yellow Stone National Park. Humans had eradicated them from the mid-western U.S. It was controversial at the time, a lot of foolish people made terrible arguments about the lack of necessity. Now that they are once again thriving, it is clear to everyone how important they are. All of the herds of grazing animals have become overall healthier, and are maintaining sustainable populations. They have brought balance. The reproduction of the wolves' prey is being kept in check, the grazing herds can't just stand around all day doing nothing and making babies. They are being chased by wolf packs and forced to stay on the move. The weak don't survive to create weak offspring. Also, many scavenger animals are thriving again because of the carcasses being left. Ecosystems are incredibly complex, it's not about "what can they do for us" They do things for us that are so indirect we don't even realize it. Do you realize that the reason this earth has an atmosphere and breathable oxygen is because microscopic organisms in the ocean were performing photosynthesis for billions of years, of which oxygen is a byproduct. All the oxygen then floated to the surface and accumulated creating the biosphere your breathing right now? If you didn't realize this would you also say about them "it's just plankton who cares if it goes extinct?" Would you just pull a part out of your car engine, when you didn't understand it's role? Then jump on the highway and try to drive to Miami. No, because the car might run for a little while, but that part might have been part of your cooling system. So now 20 miles down the road your engine is catching fire. Bottom line, our generation was born unto a dying world. Yea, that's right, if things keep going the way they are then it isn't a question of "if we will all die" it's a question of "how long till it happens". Humanities destruction of earths environment has started a timer, that ends with our own extinction. Problem is we don't understand how to read the clock, we don't know how much time we have to try and fix what we've done. Yeah, sharks might be just a tiny piece of the overall issue. But it's the thinking (or complete lack of) behind this behavior that I find so disturbing. I just want to quote it once more because it`s a really good post and it shouldn`t be lost in the storm of rackety ignorance and expressions of unspeakable shortsightedness. Oh no... he's ashamed to be of the same species as me... how terrible. Maybe he should tell all those studying how to cure cancer, aids and all other diseases to stop, because it makes us live far too long. Or maybe he should go around and tell every family that they can only have one child. I understand he lives in the world of rainbows and lollipops, but the human population is growing, and to make room for ourselves we eliminate other species... It's just the way things are. Also, you're turning criminals out of honest people by making shark-finning illegal, if your father was a shark-finner and your grandfather was also a shark fisher/hunter, then it's all you know how to do, what the hell would you do? Would you stop hunting sharks and not be able to feed your kids or would you disobey the law and continue to sell shark-fins at even higher prices? I betting on the second one. If the extinction of sharks would in fact bring about a cataclysm for the humans, then I'm all for trying to stop it in a method that's not too wasteful of our resources, but I just don't think that this is possible. edit: and we don't have a responsibility to save anything but ourselves. We are animals like any other animals. It's a double standard to first blame someone for believing that human well-being is more important than animal well-being, just because we're humans, but then to go ahead and claim that humans have some kind of added responsibilities over those of the rest of the animals.
The only thing you seem to get out of his post is that ... you might have been insulted. So you try to defend a completely wrong position simply because you are too weak and vain to admit or acknowledge that you were wrong.
The flaws in your reasoning are too numerous to mention. You simply don`t understand that we are not the only fucking specie on this planet and that our very existence is dependant on other species of this planet. You also don`t understand the value of bio-diversity. The genetic diversity on our planet and it`s value far exceeds anything that an egoistic, separatist thought like yours could imagine.
People like you seriously need to fucking learn that our care for other species and ecosystem on this planet is vital to our long term well-being. As long as such thinking remains a standard way of going about life of the majority, then we are all more or less fucked.
E: Maybe you think and behave like an animal because that`s what you have come to believe in regard to your identity. Regardless of whether you claim humanity is animal or not, our intelligence far exceeds that of any known animal species. As a result, we are dominant species and we do have, through ignorance and blindness, the capability to destroy ourselves - thus, we have a responsibility. Not to mention ethical reasons which you refuse to even consider because you allowed your ego to brainwash you this much.
As a dominant species we have responsibility for all other species. We are the most potent part of the ecosystem and if this potency is not accompanied by equal responsibility, then the ecosystem will begin to falter and ultimately, either collapse or flung the human part out of it. Not to mention that it is us who are directly responsible for the sharks extinction threat.
Again, few things are more cowardly than trying to defend a completely wrong position for the sake of ego.
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On October 27 2011 23:11 Kiarip wrote:Or maybe he should go around and tell every family that they can only have one child. I understand he lives in the world of rainbows and lollipops, but the human population is growing, and to make room for ourselves we eliminate other species... It's just the way things ar
what ?
look up how much of the earth is covered by water.
look up how much of it is covered by land
now how much we (humans) we actually " need " to live on.
killing off sharks has absolutely zipp all to do with us needing more room to live.
we mutilate and kill them for an outdated tradition.
that tradition is outdated because we now know that it causes severe harm to many (or all) ecosystems in the ocean.
im all for the ban, hope many more will follow suit.
what you're also wrong on is that species do go extinct in nature yes, however this is not nature driven now is it ?
since we are being the catalyst for it, it is (in my opinion) absolutely our responsibility to halt it or at the very least stop making it go a gazillion times faster.
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This is a funny news. A blatant discrimination towards the minor ethic/culture by using some rather logical (you may read it as 'hypocrisy' here) reasons: animal cruelty on shark etc? seriously? i mean, what about those (WAY) bigger issues like illegal huntings (in canada)?? Pardon me for my ignorance, if you wanna regulate the hunting or actually save the animal, issuing legal license is more of a rational way dont you think? They banned the shark fin simply because they dont care lol
I'd like to see the response of the people if the government banned one of the minor traditional cuisines of canadian themselves. Read the previous sentence twice before you deny that the ban is an act of discrimination.
As a conclusion? If i were a asian/chinese living in canada, i would stfu and live with it - the majority of the population in canada is not chinese/asian, get over it.
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I saw a documental on how they killed this sharks, IT WAS HORRIBLE.
I mean they strip their 4 finces, while he is alive, that done they CUT IT IN HALF, and throw it back to the sea.
I mean WTF with that logic, at least retrieve it an eat the rest.
I say ban this pirates from all around the world, in fact they are pushings some sharks almost to extintion now, for a fucking soup.
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Man, can't believe they are actually chopping the sharks fins off while it's still alive and then dumping it into the sea!? That is despicable animal cruelty, man in this tempo all the sharks will be extinct in a couple of decades, maybe less.
I think the ban is good! The asians need to learn the consequences of what they are doing, and fast!
Banning the food in the west is the least we can do!
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On October 27 2011 23:34 BurningSera wrote:
This is a funny news. A blatant discrimination towards the minor ethic/culture by using some rather logical (you may read it as 'hypocrisy' here) reasons: animal cruelty on shark etc? seriously? i mean, what about those (WAY) bigger issues like illegal huntings (in canada)?? Pardon me for my ignorance, if you wanna regulate the hunting or actually save the animal, issuing legal license is more of a rational way dont you think? They banned the shark fin simply because they dont care lol
I'd like to see the response of the people if the government banned one of the minor traditional cuisines of canadian themselves. Read the previous sentence twice before you deny that the ban is an act of discrimination.
As a conclusion? If i were a asian/chinese living in canada, i would stfu and live with it - the majority of the population in canada is not chinese/asian, get over it.
Don't want to single your post out, but just wanted to address the same idea you are covering.
A lot of people in this thread that are against the ban seem to have a very defeatist attitude on the situation. Is banning fin in this small part of Canada going to stop the slaughter of sharks across the world? no. But if it creates a 50 page thread on a GAMING forum, it is most certainly doing its job of educating. The fact is simple, if we keep killing sharks at this rate they will be gone forever. The ecological damage that would follow is more frightening than ANY other creature that has gone extinct. There is something to be said about starting from the bottom when you cant reach the top. This district in Canada knows they cant stop people from OTHER parts of the world from killing sharks, but they CAN halt its demand.
Really for this to be considered an attack on a culture is just wrong. This is the first step to saving sharks, nothing more.
Considering this a lost cause because "people will just keep doing it" is the worst approach you can have to a problem.
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I think it's funny how people think that shark finning or even human existence is meaningful when you compare it to the 6 billion year history of the planet.
One day the sun will burn out, Earth will be an iceball, and no one will care whether or not the sharks were finned or not.
Whether or not the loss of sharks will have an impact on my life is what I'm worried about.
Of course, if humans have some sort of supernatural purpose/responibility towards the Earth then that's another matter, but if all we're talking about is naturalism, then yeah, screw the sharks. It's not important in the long run.
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I am not against having less fins now, since it means more for later, besides, If we extinct sharks now our children won't be able to have the fin soup
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I am surprised that so many people just don't care about sharks slowly fading away from the seas, and this is caused by human greed not by nature. These creatures have lived with and survived the dinosaurs, truly ancient creatures, I would hate to see us humans being responsible for their demise because of shark fin soup and profits.
So I support this ban,do not consume creatures that are on the brink of extinction and stuff some more readily available food in your mouth instead.
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wow defining sharks isn't unusually cruel when it comes to fishing, is it? isn't the normal way to kill fish through suffocation? Whenever i go fishing i knife the fish in the face/neck to put it out of its misery.
Anyway, i'm against fining sharks. I mean eating it just to say how rich you are is pretty fkn retarded if you ask me.
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On October 27 2011 23:34 BurningSera wrote:
This is a funny news. A blatant discrimination towards the minor ethic/culture by using some rather logical (you may read it as 'hypocrisy' here) reasons: animal cruelty on shark etc? seriously? i mean, what about those (WAY) bigger issues like illegal huntings (in canada)?? Pardon me for my ignorance, if you wanna regulate the hunting or actually save the animal, issuing legal license is more of a rational way dont you think? They banned the shark fin simply because they dont care lol
You're pardoned. Have fishing quotas on bluefin tuna worked at all whatsoever?
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On October 28 2011 00:52 stroggos wrote:
wow defining sharks isn't unusually cruel when it comes to fishing, is it? isn't the normal way to kill fish through suffocation? Whenever i go fishing i knife the fish in the face/neck to put it out of its misery.
Anyway, i'm against fining sharks. I mean eating it just to say how rich you are is pretty fkn retarded if you ask me.
Pretty sure most fish fresh kills are by blunt trauma, but fins taste good just throwing that out there. Not against the ban, but fins are good, and was good while it lasted
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