EPTI'm from Northern China so I and my family don't eat shark fin (never tried), so I don't get the cultural oppression feeling, but I think the Chinese protesters are justified. Of course, would have been a better idea to gradually decrease the amount of shark fin available, therefore ensuring (most) shark welfare, and the ensuing increase in price would lead to less people eating shark fins.
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
I'm from Northern China so I and my family don't eat shark fin (never tried), so I don't get the cultural oppression feeling, but I think the Chinese protesters are justified. Of course, would have been a better idea to gradually decrease the amount of shark fin available, therefore ensuring (most) shark welfare, and the ensuing increase in price would lead to less people eating shark fins. | ||
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insaneMicro
Germany761 Posts
On October 26 2011 19:18 Incognoto wrote: Maybe instead of banning shark fin soup they should just regulate it and make it more expensive. unfortunately sharks are having problems with it and sharks are vital to the balance of the ecosystem so it's probably best that the interest of the shark be taken into account. It's probably fucking delicious, as are whales. I honestly wouldn't mind tasting either but if it's a problem I won't. ^^ It's already expensice as hell (brb 90$/bowl), and doesnt really taste like anything. They cook a fish in chicken broth, ffs. Also I'm pretty impressed that people actually manage to fin whalesharks. Those things are huge, no way they're doing it while the shark is still alive. | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
The problem is the fact that they are hunting endangered animals or overfishing (to create endangered animals). And then that in turn fucks with the eco system because a predator is taken out. Beyond that it's just kind of cruel how some of them are killed (or not). The way cows are killed are much more humane via cattle prods or whatever. Anyone who pays that much for some soup is retared imho, and unless Ramsey was just being biased saying it didn't really taste that great, it's just one of those status things that people agree tastes good so they don't look foolish. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 26 2011 18:17 Sasquatch wrote: I have no problem with people wanting to eat shark fin soup, but currently it is being harvested in a completely insane and unsustainable manner. Greed tends to ruin any good thing. For reference, here's a piece Gordon Ramsay did on shark fin harvesting: I think his reaction to the soup was basically how I imagined it. The fin is just some cartilage from the shark - it doesn't have much favour to it. | ||
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Divergence
Canada363 Posts
On October 26 2011 19:12 chickenhawk wrote: Not always? 'Work itself out' The world does not need our protection, if all sharks die, something will take its place if needed it. That may be true, but I'd prefer that the human race does not die out and have some other species take our place. Maybe you don't care about that though. You could make a defeatist argument about how eventually the sun will die and life on earth with be impossible so we shouldn't worry too much about self-preservation. But most of us are hardwired to do anything it takes to survive. And if that means keeping the ecosystem in balance then we will do so. | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
I like it how Agent Smith explains it, man is a virus. Pretty soon, the way we are taking care of our planet, we will not be able to sustain our growth and we will have massive death until something "takes our place" as you so eloquently put it. Thats my point, we are not saving the planet, we are saving ourselfs, the planet does not need saving, it will always be where, until something out of our control happens. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
@Chickenhawk... no man. Just no. This world doesn't "need" pandas or polar bears either, time to start up the barbecue? | ||
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rockerman101
United States85 Posts
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nekolux
Singapore38 Posts
1) People insisting on it being in the soup are retards and have no idea what actually gives the soup the flavour. Chicken broth. Throw in artificial fins done. The fins themselves are completely tasteless 2) It's unsustainable. The argument about taking the shark out of the food web is correct, what generally happens when you hunt a predatory animal to extinction is that the things it hunts start growing in population size and as a corollary of that the animals eaten by the preys of the shark start being whittled down. 3) " Dont ban one part of the shark " <--- When that one part causes people to kill whole sharks then by artificially reducing the demand of that part to zero, we're saving loads of sharks. All the other arguments of unfairness are really brain dead, " Oh no we can't hunt elephants for ivory any more, clearly racially discriminating against white people " The only people it is unfair against are people who are bent on ruining the environment for no reason, just as how a legislature against murder is unfair to murderers. edit: @chicken: Really think about that for a second. Are you actually saying eating shark's fins = saving ourselves? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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musai
Canada552 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On October 26 2011 18:28 BlueBird. wrote: If it's unsustainable ban it, simple as that. People don't need this to survive. Agreed, especially if the sharks are endangered. Stupid buisness | ||
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hippocritical
Australia465 Posts
On October 26 2011 19:28 rockerman101 wrote: endarged there is no argument here why should a species be killed off because we want to eat it we are not a ruler of the world it is not our place to decide what lives and what dies ... LOL. There is no argument why a species "be killed off because we want to eat it". I'm sorry where does your meat come from if it's not flayed off a carcass. It is our place to decide what lives and what dies, have you ever heard of conservation, we keep species alive artificially if we have to. This is simply another animal that we exploit for our own sakes, that's not the rationale behind banning it. It's viewed as inhumane and exploitative, not because we want to do it or not. | ||
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Necrophantasia
Japan299 Posts
On October 26 2011 19:32 musai wrote: Oh serious, I'm from Mississauga, as long as I have the fake shark fish soup its all good :D I love me my shark fin soup. I had no idea this was happening back home. Wow. Btw, What is fake shark fin soup? What's in it instead of shark fin? | ||
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nekolux
Singapore38 Posts
Law banning the trade of the shark's most profitable part however, will cause hunting to drop drastically through market forces. No demand, no supply. | ||
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
On October 26 2011 18:41 T.O.P. wrote: It's an example of the majority infringing on the rights of the minority. The law unfairly targets people of Chinese descent by banning one of their cultural traditions. No it isn't. It's recognizing that species will become extinct at current harvesting rates. Logically, they wouldn't be able to enjoy these dishes in x years anyway. | ||
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
On October 26 2011 19:34 nekolux wrote: Law banning the trade of the shark's most profitable part however, will cause hunting to drop drastically through market forces. No demand, no supply. Just like how banning drugs causes drug use to drop drastically right? Banning it will just force it to go underground, raising the prices and make shark hunting more profitable. | ||
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IMSmooth
United States679 Posts
On October 26 2011 19:26 chickenhawk wrote: Thats my point, we are not saving the planet, we are saving ourselfs, the planet does not need saving, it will always be where, until something out of our control happens. No, you are making a completely different point now. "Saving ourselves" was my point. We are essentially killing ourselves by upsetting ecosystems all around the world. We DEPEND on those for food. The marine ecosystem is the most important in the world and the shark is a staple and a very necessary species in it. I have no idea why i argue with you, you will just make a generalized statement back at me that disregards what i say, but hey, i try. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
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drew-chan
Malaysia1517 Posts
While I do agree current methods of harvesting are rather wasteful, I feel that they should look for more sustainable means of getting sharks fin, though i doubt having a shark farm would be feasible. | ||
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