EPTOpinions on ban of shark fin - Page 6
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Doctorasul
Romania1145 Posts
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Bobble
Australia1493 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:05 ShadeR wrote: Why the hell are some people equating keeping the fins and tossing the shark as chinese culture? Chinese people do not advocate this wasteful practice....The fishermen are doing this simply because it's more profitable, they are playing economics. So all the culture arguments are way off base. WTF guys? Thats a horrible way to do it, but it's more the fact that they are indiscriminately taking any shark fins, and as most sharks are endangered animals, it's very, very bad. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
My cousin has lived in China for 4 years and his little brother lived there for 1. Next time I see them I'll have to ask about this. I know he's tried dog and said it wasn't terrible. But other than dog having the "cute", "man's best friend" stigma associated with it what honestly makes it different than any other animal for a food source? I love beef and pork and chicken. I'm aware something has to die for me to eat it but I'm also aware we're in no danger of running out of any of those. They're grown specifically to kill and eat in a sustainable manner. If they weren't I wouldn't eat them because that's just retarded. If something isn't sustainable there is no conscionable reason to be eating it. If you want to keep eating it then you better figure out a way to make a shitload of them. I'm aware that the killing of the land and air animals I consume isn't the prettiest thing and certainly is no walk in the park for the animal I'd prefer it's done clean and quick. Hitting a shark in the head with a hammer to daze it then slashing off its fins is pretty BM. At least kill the thing first since you're sentencing it to death anyways. Tradition, culture, and religion are silly reasons to keep doing something nonsensical. Not only nonsensical but something unsustainable and that takes things away from the rest of the world for a bowl of campbell's. | ||
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blah_blah
346 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:02 Bobble wrote:Hey, if you can find any animal that is both endangered and consumed as part of Western culture, I'll sure as hell oppose that. Certain types of salmon. Bluefin tuna (although Japan definitely has a better cultural claim to this). Bluefin tuna trade should be banned as well, even though bluefin tuna is probably the best tasting fish on the planet. | ||
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mAgixWTF
Germany103 Posts
On October 26 2011 18:29 wxwx wrote: Is it not possible to breed sharks? Why not just ban hunting if they really are endangered (which I doubt. Sharks are everywhere). Outlawing sale/consumption seems really radical. I'm chinese and shark fin is really delicious. sharks need a lot of space, need to be able to move the whole time. also, sharks are hunters, so i imagine you cannot feed them vegetarian food, but would have to go fishing anyways in the ocean. You would need to fish serveral times as much fish as you'll get out of your fishfarm. Fishfarms by itself are no solution to overfishing. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:10 OuchyDathurts wrote: No soup is worth more than $5 and even that is pushing it. Once again, an example of ignorance. Good Cantonese soup cost a lot of money to make. Even the soup my dad makes regularly costs $50-100 a pot. | ||
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1071 Posts
i wish hong kong would do it as well hahahahah (not gonna happen tho) its a must have to most chinese in say a wedding... it'll gradually change IMO... | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:07 Bobble wrote: Thats a horrible way to do it, but it's more the fact that they are indiscriminately taking any shark fins, and as most sharks are endangered animals, it's very, very bad. Absolutely it's horrible and wasteful. I'm just making the point that all the people saying ... On October 26 2011 19:45 Krehlmar wrote: It's stupid as shit and fuck the people who claim culture and religion goes before the well-being of the worlds environment. in this situation are stupid. I agree that cultural and religious practices which we as a secular society have deemed harmful should be stopped but that isn't applicable here as the culture is about eating the said food, not slicing up sharks and leaving them for dead in the ocean. The problem is actually that it makes economic sense for these fisherman to toss the rest of the shark and continue collecting fins instead of selling both fins and the rest of the shark as flake. On October 26 2011 20:18 T.O.P. wrote: Once again, an example of ignorance. Good Cantonese soup cost a lot of money to make. Even the soup my dad makes regularly costs $50-100 a pot. With that attitude i expect that guy to also crusade against luxury handbags loool. | ||
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Crazyahmed
Canada280 Posts
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Williammm
Australia908 Posts
But anything like moral and ethical issues are just bullshit. There is no humane way to kill an animal. Killing is killing, and I know most people associate degrees of pain an animal feels to calculate the level of ethical responsibility and morality. Honestly though, why should that even matter. The moment you decide to kill a living thing, you've already breached issues of ethics and morality. Stop being so self righteous. The reasons for the ban were justified assuming that they're true. /story | ||
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repsac
91 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On October 26 2011 18:41 T.O.P. wrote: It's an example of the majority infringing on the rights of the minority. The law unfairly targets people of Chinese descent by banning one of their cultural traditions. The law unfairly targets those who are involved in the business of wastefully slaughtering endangered animals in a cruel manner. It's not the majority's fault chinese cuisine and medicine has so many instances of this: Shark fin, bear bile, tiger penises etc. | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:24 Williammm wrote: Banning due to sustainability issues, I can understand. But anything like moral and ethical issues are just bullshit. There is no humane way to kill an animal. Killing is killing, and I know most people associate degrees of pain an animal feels to calculate the level of ethical responsibility and morality. Honestly though, why should that even matter. The moment you decide to kill a living thing, you've already breached issues of ethics and morality. Stop being so self righteous. The reasons for the ban were justified assuming that they're true. /story There is a more humane way to kill an animal. You kill it quickly so it doesn't have to suffer needlessly. Honestly the least you can do for an animal is giving it a clean death. Cutting it's fins off while it's still alive is brutal. I'm not saying that makes it all fine and dandy but it's a hell of an improvement for the animal. | ||
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Suisen
256 Posts
Traditions alone are bad enough, but this one makes no sense and is truly damaging. Ill ignore the animal suffering since it is so widespread and people are indifferent to it anyway. Im a vegetarian and there's certainly humane ways to kill. Also, saying killing is killing and all killing is equal is strange to say and impossible to argue for. I kill plants. I kill mosquitoes if they try to suck my blood. I don't kill insects for no reason at all. I would kill in self defense. I would kill animals if I needed them for food, etc. This sharkfin according to Ramsey has no taste or effect on the soup. The only reason people want it is because it is expensive. And it's expensive because it's so damaging. It's a celebration of irrationality and environmental destruction. But Chinese will defend anything China even if they actually disagree, apparently. Don't give me this fake loyalty. The more I learn about China, the less I respect it. Once again, an example of ignorance. Good Cantonese soup cost a lot of money to make. Even the soup my dad makes regularly costs $50-100 a pot. Knowing the prize would spoil the taste when eating it. Especially when you realize the context is in a third world country. Also, your comment makes no sense. He said no soup is worth more than 5 dollar. You call that ignorance. It's his fucking opinion. Your argument just proves his point. You are both wrong and ignorant as well as unable to understand the reasoning of others or express your own opinion using reasoning. If this didn't change his mind do you think the event of people eating soup made with gold dust worth 1000 euro a bowl change his mind? I hear the noises of Han Chinese bring good luck as a good luck charm. And the good news is, there's a Han Chinese for every one of us. Let's harvest them as a Chinese doesn't really need a nose. Immoral? Nooo, don't infringe on culture. | ||
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PolSC2
United States634 Posts
On October 26 2011 18:41 T.O.P. wrote: It's an example of the majority infringing on the rights of the minority. The law unfairly targets people of Chinese descent by banning one of their cultural traditions. No. It's called calling you out on morally wrong harvesting methods and the sharks dwindling population. | ||
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neurosx
Luxembourg1096 Posts
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PolSC2
United States634 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:34 Scarecrow wrote: The law unfairly targets those who are involved in the business of wastefully slaughtering endangered animals in a cruel manner. It's not the majority's fault chinese cuisine and medicine has so many instances of this: Shark fin, bear bile, tiger penises etc. It's not the majority's fault chinese cuisine and medicine has so many instances of this: Shark fin, bear bile, tiger penises etc. Shark fin, bear bile, tiger penises tiger penises What in the WORLD are those used for...? | ||
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Williammm
Australia908 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:35 Paperplane wrote: There is a humane way to kill an animal. You kill it quickly so it doesn't have to suffer needlessly. Honestly the least you can do for an animal is giving it a clean death. Cutting it's fins off while it's still alive is brutal. It is only perceived as humane because you can feel better about yourself and the human race. That is all. Beyond that you're still KILLING. Just because you and all the other people in the world who think like that believe that pain equates to anything more than a byproduct of violence and physical trauma, doesn't mean that is the case. The world runs on efficiency, and that is how we develop. We don't develop rocket ships using morally correct materials and labour because we want to sleep better at night, NO we do it in the most efficient way possible. If the fin is what we want and we cant sell the shark or carry the shark back to shore, then the fin is what we'll take. Also honestly speaking, the video was biased. It looked at places like Costa Rica which we know isn't particularly rich. When a place isnt rich, you can expect their boats to be small as well as unequipped. If you look at Australia like someone has mentioned before. We hunt sharks and we take the whole shark in and eat the entire shark, because we have the resources to do so and we can afford it. Other places can't. | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
That said, I'm not very well informed on the issue. Will watch the Gordon Ramsey documentary and perhaps comment again later. | ||
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