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Midori8
Australia126 Posts
Okay, so there may be evidence that parenting is in regard to amount of care or whatever rather than sexuality of parents. And on the other point, I agree with what babylon said, it's the problem of bullying rather than the sexuality of the parents. I feel kinda stupid  but thanks, you have enlightened me on this issue  | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On October 21 2011 15:51 sigma_x wrote: I think you are asserting two different (but not necessarily mutually exclusive) points: 1) A child, growing up with same sex parents, will suffer developmental problems that a child with a mother and father would not. 2) A child should not be brought up in circumstances likely to lead to bullying. On the first, I would have thought that this is a scientifically testable assumption. It is perhaps better to base any such argument from current psychological research rather than anecdotally. I do not know what research is done though. On the second, I am not very convinced on this point. This logic seems to suggest that ugly or obese parents shouldn't adopt children. There have been numerous links to credible scientific sources posted in the thread a number of pages ago showing that argument 1 is in fact plain wrong. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:15 meatbox wrote: Tthe majority is against it... do you understand democracy? (hehe) The majority is certainly not against it.... maybe in parliament but numerous polls have shown the majority for gay marriage/equality. | ||
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CharlieBrownsc
Canada598 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:15 meatbox wrote: Tthe majority is against it... do you understand democracy? (hehe) If the majority was against people born in april from getting jobs, should that be illegal? | ||
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hippocritical
Australia465 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:23 ShadeR wrote: The majority is certainly not against it.... maybe in parliament but numerous polls have shown the majority for gay marriage/equality. Yeah, it's last generations hang ups put on the current generations issues :/. | ||
palookieblue
Australia326 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:24 CharlieBrownsc wrote: I think you're missing the point. If the majority of Australians and their politicians believed the above then it could be made illegal, asking whether it 'should' is to do with one's personal opinion. Not sure where you're heading with this.If the majority was against people born in april from getting jobs, should that be illegal? | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Rhine
187 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:26 palookieblue wrote: I think you're missing the point. If the majority of Australians and their politicians believed the above then it could be made illegal, asking whether it 'should' is to do with one's personal opinion. Not sure where you're heading with this. He's talking about protecting minorities and human rights, regardless of majority opinion. If the majority decided tomorrow that Aprilians are evil scum, laws would probably protect still protect them. If the politicians are also biased towards Aprilians, then a lot of pressure would come from other nations who aren't bigoted against them. | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:23 ShadeR wrote: The majority is certainly not against it.... maybe in parliament but numerous polls have shown the majority for gay marriage/equality. Polls are pointless, if it ever goes to a vote, we both know gay marriage will be declined. | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:27 Shiragaku wrote: I am gay and I will be a horrible parent should I have kids. Is it because I am gay? No, because I am a shitty person. There is a major difference between a genetic trait and a trait of the individual. We fags are human after all. :D Gay men would make terrible parents, I'm all for lesbians though. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:30 meatbox wrote: Polls are pointless, if it ever goes to a vote, we both know gay marriage will be declined. WTF? YOU VOTE IN POLLS!!!! *HEAD IMPLODES* | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:30 meatbox wrote: Gay men would make terrible parents, I'm all for lesbians though. I am being trolled hard DX | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
The gay kid at meatbox's school wasn't bullied. He was. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
As for the majority of people in a democratic country being for or against gay marriage, it doesn't matter. If nothing else the governments role is to protect its citizens and ensure that everyone is treated fairly, not that people be subjected to the rule of the majority. I don't know that much about Australian politics, but in the USA I'm forced to vote almost exclusively democrat (even though I am more conservative on certain issues) because the republicans have been forced to pander to their base that is obsessed with social issues. | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
No your not For a gay male couple to raise a child they'd require rigorous examination. A homosexual male's brain is virtually the same as a heterosexual female's. Fancy having a child raised by two straight women... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm | ||
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rhmiller907
United States118 Posts
On October 21 2011 06:46 Deekin[ wrote: Yeah I kind of think same way what you said about "forcing that on others" I think that is wrong. But there is nothing worse than having someone do the same thing onto me but as like "forcing the gayness upon me" when Im out on some club or whatever, and some sleazy guy tries to hit on me or whatever. Its really really disgusting and I cant take it. But no ofcourse you shouldnt force it upon others. Really having a gay drunk guy hit on you bothers you that much. It's a compliment man just take it as that. I work with a gay guy and I know he thinks I'm attractive( he said that if I ever switch "teams" that he'll show me the ropes lol) but I don't let it gross me out. I just really don't understand why it grosses people out it's not like they're going to rape you and if your imagining gay sex in your mind when someone suggests it then maybe you should look at your own sexuality. So all that said unless your in most situations illogical and stubborn then I don't understand why one would have a problem with being hit on by anyone. ps just thought if this I suppose if the guy or gal in question gropes you then I could understand setting them straight but that goes for both sexes. | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:34 ShadeR wrote: The gay kid at meatbox's school wasn't bullied. He was. No need to get personal, ban worthy imo. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:21 Xalonark wrote: Pretty much, I concede defeat in terms of what was being argued about. Okay, so there may be evidence that parenting is in regard to amount of care or whatever rather than sexuality of parents. And on the other point, I agree with what babylon said, it's the problem of bullying rather than the sexuality of the parents. I feel kinda stupid but thanks, you have enlightened me on this issue Holy shit a sensible person on the internet You sir are a anachronism. | ||
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Rhine
187 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:40 meatbox wrote: No your not For a gay male couple to raise a child they'd require rigorous examination. A homosexual male's brain is virtually the same as a heterosexual female's. Fancy having a child raised by two straight women... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm I suggest reading not just that article and coming up with a conclusion with regards to the efficacy of their parenting. Just because their brains are similar doesn't mean it would be "the same" as being raised by two straight women, nor is that demonstrably bad. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
On October 21 2011 16:40 meatbox wrote: No your not For a gay male couple to raise a child they'd require rigorous examination. A homosexual male's brain is virtually the same as a heterosexual female's. Fancy having a child raised by two straight women... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm Any article, even posted on the BBC, stating that sexual preferences are decided even before birth is to be taken with a huge grain of salt. I'm pretty sure there are scientific studies stating the opposite and scientists that believe otherwise as always with studies. | ||
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