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While this story is highly speculative, it surprises me that Australia would consider becoming so progressive.
Obviously, I am for gay marriage. Its not an issue of religous right or wrong, its an issue of freedom or lack thereof.
Australia is a bigoted, homophobic country and I'll be surprised if this doesn't receive major backlash from mainstream news websites (seeing as how anti labor news limited is)
While Australia is really quite behind in regard to its other policies (immigration, carbon, education) it does look to be moving forward in both a more humanitarian and logical direction (mainly because it can't pass its own legislation).
Any way, I am yet to see an Australian politics thread. So feel free to discuss both the main article and any other issues.
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Australia8532 Posts
I feel like this is a pretty big deal because it was the Labour party's (party in power) firm position that they are against gay marriage. Julia (*cringe*) has faced a lot pressure from MPs on her side of the fence at the moment and because her government is hanging on the TINIEST edge, i assume if this was true it was just to please them and maintain control.
Australian politics is fucked. To say it nicely.
2 independents who's electorates had the LOWEST labour votes in the country put labour into power. Fantastic
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I hope I dont get banned for my opinion, but I think being gay is pretty unnatural. If I think about it, it disgusts me, alot. But I think gay marriage should be allowed all over the world. Because I think people should be happy, and if they are gay and are happy, then its just great for them.
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On October 21 2011 06:39 Deekin[ wrote:
I hope I dont get banned for my opinion, but I think being gay is pretty unnatural. If I think about it, it disgusts me, alot. But I think gay marriage should be allowed all over the world. Because I think people should be happy, and if they are gay and are happy, then its just great for them.
You won't get banned for your opinion, especially if you offer it in a civil manner. 
AFAIK there's much evidence that disagrees with your belief that being gay is an unnatural thing though.
Anyway, Australians, what is the % likelihood that gay marriage is allowed? In California we felt pretty good about Prop 8 getting turned down (at least in my geodemographic) but we lost by a bit 
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On October 21 2011 06:39 Deekin[ wrote:
I hope I dont get banned for my opinion, but I think being gay is pretty unnatural. If I think about it, it disgusts me, alot. But I think gay marriage should be allowed all over the world. Because I think people should be happy, and if they are gay and are happy, then its just great for them.
As long as you aren't forcing that disgust on others, I don't really care and respect that you can keep it to yourself. But consider that homosexuality exists in most animals (so it isn't like gay humans are unnatural, it exists in nature). Also consider that if something wasn't natural, it probably wouldn't exist in the first place.
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Australia7069 Posts
labor is the non-conservative wing. i wasn't aware they had strong policies against gay marriage. sure you aren't thinking of the liberal party bkrow?
you could be right, i'm fairly uninformed when it comes to party policies tbh, but labor is usually the progressive party.
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On October 21 2011 06:42 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 06:39 Deekin[ wrote:
I hope I dont get banned for my opinion, but I think being gay is pretty unnatural. If I think about it, it disgusts me, alot. But I think gay marriage should be allowed all over the world. Because I think people should be happy, and if they are gay and are happy, then its just great for them. As long as you aren't forcing that disgust on others, I don't really care and respect that you can keep it to yourself. But consider that homosexuality exists in most animals (so it isn't like gay humans are unnatural, it exists in nature). Also consider that if something wasn't natural, it probably wouldn't exist in the first place.
Yeah I kind of think same way what you said about "forcing that on others" I think that is wrong. But there is nothing worse than having someone do the same thing onto me but as like "forcing the gayness upon me" when Im out on some club or whatever, and some sleazy guy tries to hit on me or whatever. Its really really disgusting and I cant take it. But no ofcourse you shouldnt force it upon others.
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United States44398 Posts
It amazes me that things like this are still issues in a modern country. That we don't have it yet either is a source of national shame although we're assured that by the next election we'll have legalised it. I hope it passes and that Australians can have the rights they deserve.
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That's good, it always amazes me how people care what two adults do together behind closed doors, and discriminate them based on it.
If marriage was simply a religious thing, I wouldn't really care if that particular religion would not allow it, but since in nowadays society, married couple get tax reductions and shit like that, it's just stupid.
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I had to take a survey on random Australians for a legal studies project on legalising gay marriage...Results were interesting to say the least. The younger generation stated it should be allowed because everyone has the right to be happy. And if a gay couple were to marry, who would it hurt? We see gay couples hold hands and walk in public, why not allow them to be 'officially together'?
The older generation (40 onwards) said that it 'just doesn't seem right' to them and therefore it should not be accepted. Then there are the religious, but I won't talk about that.
I think gay marriage should be legal. The world (especially Australia) needs to look past others' differences and move the hell forward.
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There should be some world law where you can say "Fuck you" when someone has something against gays. And nothing more can be done for being against gays.
Let people be with who they want to be with, jesus. If we were all like one person this world would be pointless in my opinion.
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Australia8532 Posts
On October 21 2011 06:43 Kiante wrote:
labor is the non-conservative wing. i wasn't aware they had strong policies against gay marriage. sure you aren't thinking of the liberal party bkrow?
you could be right, i'm fairly uninformed when it comes to party policies tbh, but labor is usually the progressive party.
100% certain the parties policy was against gay marriage at the time of election. Non-conservative or not; gay marriage is a pretty tenuous topic wherever you are.
I just find it amazing that whenever Labor is in power; shit happens - things go wrong and it's never their fault
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I've heard that it's a big problem to find a nice woman in Australia, so this could be the solution.
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On October 21 2011 06:49 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 06:43 Kiante wrote:
labor is the non-conservative wing. i wasn't aware they had strong policies against gay marriage. sure you aren't thinking of the liberal party bkrow?
you could be right, i'm fairly uninformed when it comes to party policies tbh, but labor is usually the progressive party. 100% certain the parties policy was against gay marriage at the time of election. Non-conservative or not; gay marriage is a pretty tenuous topic wherever you are. I just find it amazing that whenever Labor is in power; shit happens - things go wrong and it's never their fault
but at the same time id rather labor then tony abbott. who doesnt actually have any policy other than 'NO'
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On October 21 2011 06:43 Kiante wrote:
labor is the non-conservative wing. i wasn't aware they had strong policies against gay marriage. sure you aren't thinking of the liberal party bkrow?
you could be right, i'm fairly uninformed when it comes to party policies tbh, but labor is usually the progressive party.
The parties in Australia are very factional based. So even though in the most basic sense the Labor party has been historically more social progressive than the Liberal party, most of the time is it is the Sydney based factional right wing of the party that controls the policy direction while those in the left (most usually associated with Victoria) struggle for power in the party to push a more progressive agenda.
The most likely reason for this allowance of a conscience vote is that right now the factional right of the party is under pressure form the left to change it's stance on Asylum Seeker policy to onshore processing after the Malaysia solution was shut down by the courts and parliament. Furthermore, the pressure form the Greens about gay marriage would also play a part. As a result, to calm these tensions allowing a conscience vote on gay marriage (which at this point is pretty unlikely to pass I think if most in Labor's factional right and all of the liberal party vote against it) give the PM some breathing room.
This is just my speculation, but I hope it clears up a little.
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On October 21 2011 06:49 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 06:43 Kiante wrote:
labor is the non-conservative wing. i wasn't aware they had strong policies against gay marriage. sure you aren't thinking of the liberal party bkrow?
you could be right, i'm fairly uninformed when it comes to party policies tbh, but labor is usually the progressive party. 100% certain the parties policy was against gay marriage at the time of election. Non-conservative or not; gay marriage is a pretty tenuous topic wherever you are. I just find it amazing that whenever Labor is in power; shit happens - things go wrong and it's never their fault
Labor is (was?) certainly against it, which I find funny since the Greens and the labour unions are for it. I hope that this is passed, but regardless of the outcome, there is going to be a huge backlash against the PM for flip-flopping, and if Abbot gets elected I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to get it banned again.
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On October 21 2011 06:50 GeyzeR wrote:
I've heard that it's a big problem to find a nice woman in Australia, so this could be the solution.
Actually I believe the opposite is true, there's a lack of men since so many go travelling for extended periods of time in Europe or the US.
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one of my best mates for 6 years finaly told me he was gay and i was so shocked. he is so manly loves his v8s and metal and hip hop BMX. ill vote for it but i wont tell certain ppl how i voted for it haha. whether it goes through or not u dont need a piece of paper to tell you your in love... and my mate is far to awesome for marriage
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I am against gay marriage (I'm atheist, always have been)
1. The state should not care about setting rules for religion just as religion should not set rules for the state.
2. Offer gay people an agreement with the same rights as marriage but call it something else to cover all the legal purposes. (In Sweden we have marriage and partnership, in the eyes of the law they are exactly the same thing but on is for heterosexual relationships only)
Solves both problems - the religious and legal.
Last note, for me it's crazy and illogical for gay people to want to get married in the church anyway. The bible hates gay people, it's a sin, religious people have killed gays coldblooded through history, it's largely thanks to Christianity the view on gay people have been so bad for such a long time. For me it's as illogical as if a Jew would fight all his life to be a part of the nazi community, but they reject him.
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It is indeed strange that a lot of countries still don't recognize gay marriage. But it seems that most young people are for same-sex marriage, so I expect (hope) that in the future more and more countries will be more tolerant
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