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Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
October 18 2011 01:41 GMT
#141
The good samaritan law has been put to good use in the US even if it isn't even used in legal cases. It gives the general public, or trained medical personnel a sense of a safety net for acting in their kindness. But in China, there isn't such law, and to add on top of that there was the 06 case that messed with the psychology of the citizens there. They think differently over there, and it sucks that it had to happen
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HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
October 18 2011 01:41 GMT
#142
That was really disturbing, I felt really bad for the little kids parents.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 18 2011 01:41 GMT
#143
On October 18 2011 10:40 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 10:40 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:36 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:35 The KY wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:22 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:20 HellRoxYa wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.


This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.

Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping


Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.

Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future

Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.

Is your family worth that one life?


Having grown up in China, I definitely understand this sentiment. But the fact that this sentiment even exists is ridiculous.

Blame it on the 06 decision


Precisely. It's because of those events that have set this mindset. However, that's the pathetic thing. I really hope Chinese culture/justice goes through a revolution or some sort of reform because it's really disturbing right now.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
October 18 2011 01:42 GMT
#144
I read this in a Chinese newspaper yesterday, and an update: the father was contacted by one of the drivers, who was willing to pay money as compensation was not to turn himself in to the police, and quote "I was scared, if you ran somebody down, you'd run away too." and many, many "I was/am scared, I'll never turn myself in." and that he will take his family and his money and run far, far away north.", and he also blamed the child for being bad at walking for him hitting her in the first place.

I echo a previous post that the culture of China is rotting into a cesspit of corruption, inequality, indifference and selfishness. The Communist Party's effort at Capitalist market reforms while not giving up political dictatorship has turned the socioeconomic system into some unrecognisable hybrid with serious issues.

I was going to try and defend the Chinese people, given that I am one and I know many to be compassionate, caring and warm, but this event is too strong an evidence to the contrary. Even I am incredulous that nobody even stopped to dial 120. Maybe they were spooked and scared, maybe they were too shocked, maybe their education focused purely on maths and Chinese literature and they had no idea what they should do, but BASIC HUMAN DECENCY should have warranted a simple phone call.

Also, very interesting to hear about these "Civil Duty" laws, something the Politburo should implement rather than stupid measures to artificially inflate GDP and run the fragile economy into the ground.
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 18 2011 01:42 GMT
#145
On October 18 2011 10:35 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 10:22 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:20 HellRoxYa wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.


This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.

Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping


Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.


No it is not a bullshit reason. If they argue for example, that the girl was paralyzed and is brain-dead for the rest of her life, because you picked her up and in doing so, broke her neck/snapped her spinal cord or whatever, you're responsible for the cost of her treatment and care for the rest of her life. Not worth the risk of screwing your own family for the off-chance that you could save a little girl's life. Not with the legal system they have over there.
Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
October 18 2011 01:42 GMT
#146
Saw this earlier today and I was greatly disturbed by it. Apparently China does not have laws that protect good samaritans. There is this fear in China that if you help an injured stranger, they might turn around and sue you. It's ironic though that a garbage collector, someone who society usually look down upon because of their lack of a financial and education background is the one who actually save the little girl.
Shizzabamman
Profile Joined September 2010
United States71 Posts
October 18 2011 01:42 GMT
#147
This is the worst thing I've ever seen. You've got to be fucking kidding me people
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 18 2011 01:42 GMT
#148
On October 18 2011 10:41 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 10:40 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:40 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:36 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:35 The KY wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:22 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:20 HellRoxYa wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.


This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.

Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping


Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.

Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future

Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.

Is your family worth that one life?


Having grown up in China, I definitely understand this sentiment. But the fact that this sentiment even exists is ridiculous.

Blame it on the 06 decision


Precisely. It's because of those events that have set this mindset. However, that's the pathetic thing. I really hope Chinese culture/justice goes through a revolution or some sort of reform because it's really disturbing right now.

Yeah it really is terrible
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Dazer
Profile Joined September 2010
239 Posts
October 18 2011 01:43 GMT
#149
On October 18 2011 10:37 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 10:35 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:33 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:32 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:31 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:28 deathgod6 wrote:
This has got to be the one of the saddest things I've ever watched.

Agreed.
On October 18 2011 10:26 Slipspace wrote:
It's a completely pathetic world when a bunch of "educated" "first world" citizens admit to probably not helping a dying little girl on the offchance they could get sued.

Really disappointed in TL.

And also agreed.

I could get in trouble? Sued? Thrown in jail?

There is a child dying in the street. I'm supposed to say "better her than me?"

There is a child dying on the street, you don't know her, she doesn't know you, You could get sued, Your family assets could go to the dumpsters, your children could go hungry

Better Her than my children

Then I guess I will say for the second time in this thread:

Thank god I don't have children.

There is a child dying on the street, you don't know her, she doesn't know you, You could get sued, Your family assets could go to the dumpsters, your family could go hungry

better her than my family


Someone puts a gun to little girls head and says if you don't give him your life savings he will pull the trigger. If you refuse he kills her and leaves, you continue with your life as normal.

I know what I would do.


The fact that you can easily say this because you didn't put into account the difficulties of having any money to buy food at all and sleep in hunger for years that these Chinese workers face in their every day life. What they did is definitely a bad thing, but saying that you yourself would be able to do otherwise when living in such condition is a very arrogant statement.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 18 2011 01:43 GMT
#150
This was the saddest thing I have ever seen, seconded only by that video of the bodies from the Norway attacks.
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ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 01:44:41
October 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#151
On October 18 2011 10:40 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 10:40 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:36 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:35 The KY wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:22 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:20 HellRoxYa wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.


This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.

Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping


Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.

Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future

Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.

Is your family worth that one life?


Having grown up in China, I definitely understand this sentiment. But the fact that this sentiment even exists is ridiculous.

Blame it on the 06 decision

No. I grew up in China as well. It goes beyond it. There's a prison sentimentality, where you fear reprisal if you snitch. People shut up and mind their own business. This is just a manifestation of that. This is a piece of cancer that's been there a long fucking time. It's about fucking time for chemo.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
October 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#152
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself"
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doss
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada137 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 01:46:56
October 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#153
edit; my point has already been covered.
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
October 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#154
On October 18 2011 10:36 Meself wrote:
People should be more aware of the 'bystander effect'. I'm not saying that environmental and social differences and whatnot don't add to this specific case, but it's not as obvious as it seems.
Couldn't watch more than half a minute of that video either. Really sickening and sad.

EDIT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

Please at least read about it before making comments of extreme kind. Sadly, we are bounded by varied types of psychological effects.

You can probably tell by Blasterion's posts and some others in here that the decision in '06 is a hugely important factor in explaining what happened. The fact that it was a young child, makes the reality even more sickening. While the Bystander effect is an interesting phenomenon, the legal enforcement of that case in '06 explains a lot. I am not saying it is right (because it's not, it is absolutely horrific)
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
October 18 2011 01:45 GMT
#155
Its annoying how people's first reactions to something like this is "shit i'd never do that", while rejecting their own moral depravity (the easiest way to do so is to simply bash China in this situation), this is part of the human condition and hardly new, though this example is extremely tragic and shocks the senses, similar acts of neglect happens continuously all over the world

for example



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TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
October 18 2011 01:46 GMT
#156
On October 18 2011 10:44 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 10:40 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:40 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:36 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:35 The KY wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:22 Blasterion wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:20 HellRoxYa wrote:
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.


This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.

Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping


Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.

Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future

Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.

Is your family worth that one life?


Having grown up in China, I definitely understand this sentiment. But the fact that this sentiment even exists is ridiculous.

Blame it on the 06 decision

No. I grew up in China as well. It goes beyond it. There's a prison sentimentality, where you fear reprisal if you snitch. People shut up and mind their own business. This is just a manifestation of that. This is a piece of cancer that's been there a long fucking time. It's about fucking time for chemo.


Honestly, the panacea would be the cull half the population.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 18 2011 01:47 GMT
#157
On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself"

If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it.
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Sipher
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
October 18 2011 01:48 GMT
#158
On October 18 2011 10:38 Dazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 10:36 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
I just realized another fucking problem with that video. Where's the godamn sidewalk? There should be regulations to ensure the presence of sidewalks so you can set easy limits for children, ie stay off the road. There should also be regulations for the vehicles. That thing's as tall as a fucking bus, it had no business .....

Space... there's no space... godamn it. So many issues are interrelated.


Welcome to third world society.

If you think China is a Third World country then you are very ignorant. By the old technical terms (I hate most 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world labels because it related to back in the Cold War; and they are outdated terms), China would be a 2nd world country because they are Communist. However, to be honest. They have a booming economy, and have such high growth that they are looking like the USA back in the 50's after WW2.
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
October 18 2011 01:48 GMT
#159
i'm surprised that youtube hasn't removed the video yet
Parj
Profile Joined December 2010
France55 Posts
October 18 2011 01:49 GMT
#160

Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future

Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.

Is your family worth that one life?

Oh sure you're right, life is so pragmatical.
Why don't you take her rests for dinner?
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