our cultures today are so rediculously self-gratifying and selfish. you might think you're okay just sitting at home watching starcraft but that is a completely selfish lifestyle when "normality" dictates, looking back at when we were cave men, that we led extremely social and caring lives (ignoring the emotional brutality).
someone i know said day9 is "not as good as you think" because his life resolves around entertainment instead of helping people who need help in a meaningful way. live your life providing entertainment for the wealthy and independent, or live your life helping people who really need help like the uneducated and starving?
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote: We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.
This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.
Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping
Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.
Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future
Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.
Is your family worth that one life?
Honestly? The sad thing is, I cannot disagree with what you said. However horrible it may be that the child there should have gotten some form of assistance, instead of being left to die on the road.
I can't argue with the logic in your statement.
I would however make the argument that, the fact that you have to be afraid for your family for helping another in a dire situation needs to be given some serious consideration (outside of your control) as it has been stated before due to the case in 06 as has been stated.
It is tragic, it is horrible. Yet, then again that in general is what life is.
On October 18 2011 10:42 Jindo wrote: Saw this earlier today and I was greatly disturbed by it. Apparently China does not have laws that protect good samaritans. There is this fear in China that if you help an injured stranger, they might turn around and sue you. It's ironic though that a garbage collector, someone who society usually look down upon because of their lack of a financial and education background is the one who actually save the little girl.
Garbage employees actually make pretty good/decent money here in the U.S. and people just stereotype them really.
Watching this video was just disgusting. I was hoping it would be fake because I didn't want to believe it.
On October 18 2011 10:42 Jindo wrote: Saw this earlier today and I was greatly disturbed by it. Apparently China does not have laws that protect good samaritans. There is this fear in China that if you help an injured stranger, they might turn around and sue you. It's ironic though that a garbage collector, someone who society usually look down upon because of their lack of a financial and education background is the one who actually save the little girl.
Garbage employees actually make pretty good/decent money here in the U.S. and people just stereotype them really.
Watching this video was just disgusting. I was hoping it would be fake because I didn't want to believe it.
It's real, good thing is she's in critical condition and might still be saved
On October 18 2011 10:42 Jindo wrote: Saw this earlier today and I was greatly disturbed by it. Apparently China does not have laws that protect good samaritans. There is this fear in China that if you help an injured stranger, they might turn around and sue you. It's ironic though that a garbage collector, someone who society usually look down upon because of their lack of a financial and education background is the one who actually save the little girl.
Garbage employees actually make pretty good/decent money here in the U.S. and people just stereotype them really.
Watching this video was just disgusting. I was hoping it would be fake because I didn't want to believe it.
It's real, good thing is she's in critical condition and might still be saved
If you read the description, rumor has it she's already dead.
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote: We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.
This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.
Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping
Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.
Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future
Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.
Is your family worth that one life?
Honestly? The sad thing is, I cannot disagree with what you said. However horrible it may be that the child there should have gotten some form of assistance, instead of being left to die on the road.
I can't argue with the logic in your statement.
I would however make the argument that, the fact that you have to be afraid for your family for helping another in a dire situation needs to be given some serious consideration (outside of your control) as it has been stated before due to the case in 06 as has been stated.
It is tragic, it is horrible. Yet, then again that in general is what life is.
It comes down to concepts of altruism and the sanctity of life; even if your family ends up poor, broke or in jail - as human beings we expect that a human life be held above everything else. It also touches on biblical concepts of "do to one as you would want done to you" - i mean if you were dying in the middle of the road you would sure as shit want someone to help you.
I find it really hard to believe that you can't disagree with what Blasterion is saying. In my mind, FUCK YES my family's financial status is worth saving that kids life; FUCK YES i would sacrifice my assets, job and future to save someones life (or i'd expect myself to.)
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote: We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.
This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.
Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping
Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.
Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future
Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.
Is your family worth that one life?
This is god awful, terrible, cowardice logic. First of all, you probably won't get sued. In fact, we see the mother crying in this video. You wouldn't have gotten sued. And 99% of the time you wouldn't get sued. Second of all, you and your family are still alive. Completely selfish and cowardly to assume your own family will starve because of a lawsuit that might not even WIN much less happen in the first place.
This disgusts me. I'm sorry but I just don't understand how anyone can react in this manner.
i live in new york and while it does seem barbaric to me personally it's also standard behavior here. I take that back. That's the most fucked up shit i've ever seen.
Ah a world where everyones for themselves where if your poor then you are because you want too, no health care for people like this, no social security, a world where me is the only thing that matters conservatism is steering towards this in america.
On October 18 2011 10:42 Jindo wrote: Saw this earlier today and I was greatly disturbed by it. Apparently China does not have laws that protect good samaritans. There is this fear in China that if you help an injured stranger, they might turn around and sue you. It's ironic though that a garbage collector, someone who society usually look down upon because of their lack of a financial and education background is the one who actually save the little girl.
Garbage employees actually make pretty good/decent money here in the U.S. and people just stereotype them really.
Watching this video was just disgusting. I was hoping it would be fake because I didn't want to believe it.
It's real, good thing is she's in critical condition and might still be saved
She's already brain dead. What a despicable act by the driver(s) and all those bystanders who did nothing. Couldn't even anonymously call the ambulance?
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote: We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.
This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.
Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping
Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.
Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future
Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.
Is your family worth that one life?
This is god awful, terrible, cowardice logic. First of all, you probably won't get sued. In fact, we see the mother crying in this video. You wouldn't have gotten sued. And 99% of the time you wouldn't get sued. Second of all, you and your family are still alive. Completely selfish and cowardly to assume your own family will starve because of a lawsuit that might not even WIN much less happen in the first place.
This disgusts me. I'm sorry but I just don't understand how anyone can react in this manner.
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote: We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.
This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.
Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping
Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.
Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future
Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.
Is your family worth that one life?
This is god awful, terrible, cowardice logic. First of all, you probably won't get sued. In fact, we see the mother crying in this video. You wouldn't have gotten sued. And 99% of the time you wouldn't get sued. Second of all, you and your family are still alive. Completely selfish and cowardly to assume your own family will starve because of a lawsuit that might not even WIN much less happen in the first place.
This disgusts me. I'm sorry but I just don't understand how anyone can react in this manner.
it's not logic. There is no logic in split second decisions. You either help or you are a coward.
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote: We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.
This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.
Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping
Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.
Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future
Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.
Is your family worth that one life?
This is god awful, terrible, cowardice logic. First of all, you probably won't get sued. In fact, we see the mother crying in this video. You wouldn't have gotten sued. And 99% of the time you wouldn't get sued. Second of all, you and your family are still alive. Completely selfish and cowardly to assume your own family will starve because of a lawsuit that might not even WIN much less happen in the first place.
This disgusts me. I'm sorry but I just don't understand how anyone can react in this manner.
On October 18 2011 10:28 deathgod6 wrote: This has got to be the one of the saddest things I've ever watched.
Agreed.
On October 18 2011 10:26 Slipspace wrote: It's a completely pathetic world when a bunch of "educated" "first world" citizens admit to probably not helping a dying little girl on the offchance they could get sued.
Really disappointed in TL.
And also agreed.
I could get in trouble? Sued? Thrown in jail?
There is a child dying in the street. I'm supposed to say "better her than me?"
There is a child dying on the street, you don't know her, she doesn't know you, You could get sued, Your family assets could go to the dumpsters, your children could go hungry
Better Her than my children
Then I guess I will say for the second time in this thread:
Thank god I don't have children.
There is a child dying on the street, you don't know her, she doesn't know you, You could get sued, Your family assets could go to the dumpsters, your family could go hungry
better her than my family
Someone puts a gun to little girls head and says if you don't give him your life savings he will pull the trigger. If you refuse he kills her and leaves, you continue with your life as normal.
I know what I would do.
It's easy to say when you are calm and collected. It's quite another when it is actually happening. Maybe you would, maybe you won't. I don't know. But sadly the world is very unforgiving, even to those who do good deeds.
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote: We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.
This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.
Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping
Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.
Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future
Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.
Is your family worth that one life?
This is god awful, terrible, cowardice logic. First of all, you probably won't get sued. In fact, we see the mother crying in this video. You wouldn't have gotten sued. And 99% of the time you wouldn't get sued. Second of all, you and your family are still alive. Completely selfish and cowardly to assume your own family will starve because of a lawsuit that might not even WIN much less happen in the first place.
This disgusts me. I'm sorry but I just don't understand how anyone can react in this manner.
it's not logic. There is no logic in split second decisions. You either help or you are a coward.
LOL, OK their cowboy. I'd rather be a coward and still be able to provide for my family.
On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote: We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own.
This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them.
Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping
Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason.
Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future
Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do.
Is your family worth that one life?
This is god awful, terrible, cowardice logic. First of all, you probably won't get sued. In fact, we see the mother crying in this video. You wouldn't have gotten sued. And 99% of the time you wouldn't get sued. Second of all, you and your family are still alive. Completely selfish and cowardly to assume your own family will starve because of a lawsuit that might not even WIN much less happen in the first place.
This disgusts me. I'm sorry but I just don't understand how anyone can react in this manner.
it's not logic. There is no logic in split second decisions. You either help or you are a coward.
I may be a coward, but my family will have food on their table
holy shit..the first truck driver ran the kid over, stops, then instead of getting out of his goddamn truck and see what he has done, he fucking tries to keep driving like the kid is a speed bump or some shit, ridiculously disgusting behavior.
Seeing as there's a precedent, if there is a lawsuit, pretty good chances that it will win. Basically, that 06 ruling says that if you help someone, you're admitting to some sort of guilt. The law doesn't want anyone to help, in fact, its telling everyone not to. Yes, it may be cowardly, but it is the same "cowardice" that keeps people from doing whatever the fuck they please, be it rape, robbery, etc. Cause honestly, if there's no logic in split second decisions and you only act or you're a coward, why don't you want to grab the stuff you want from the store and walk off?
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