EPTPrejudice Against Drug Use? - Page 23
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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JPP
Finland104 Posts
Take smoking for example. Smoking is one of the leading causes for lung cancer. And treating cancer is seriously expensive. Same goes for alcohol of drugs. A month in rehab costs a lot, and that doesn't even account for the psychological damage for families, relatives and so on. Personally for me, I will be prejudiced against a drug user, but that doesn't mean that that person can't convince me otherwise. | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:07 JPP wrote: It's easy for an individual person to say that "My smoking/drinking/pot doesn't harm anyone", but in reality the costs to society are actually incredibly high. Take smoking for example. Smoking is one of the leading causes for lung cancer. And treating cancer is seriously expensive. Same goes for alcohol of drugs. A month in rehab costs a lot, and that doesn't even account for the psychological damage for families, relatives and so on. Personally for me, I will be prejudiced against a drug user, but that doesn't mean that that person can't convince me otherwise. That's like saying that people who eat fast food a lot and are obese have extremely high costs to society because they get heart attacks, etc. While it might be true, I can't really see it as a valid argument. And it's not like you aren't required to disclose that you're a smoker on your health insurance. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
The big difference is highly functioning drug users, and hopelessly addicted drug users. I very much belong to the first one, and there's a ton of us out there who are. I'd feel pretty shitty if I were prejudiced against because what I choose to smoke was randomly decided by the government to be illegal, while not being significantly more detrimental to my health than tobacco would be. | ||
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Meatt
United States98 Posts
It's who a person is and how they act that makes them who they are, no matter what kind of drug they're on. I bet everyone here has interacted with someone that was technically on a drug or had just smoked a bunch of pot, and you walked away thinking only, "Hey, that kid was really nice, what a cool person." Who cares what they're on, if it doesn't matter. | ||
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JPP
Finland104 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:20 FabledIntegral wrote: That's like saying that people who eat fast food a lot and are obese have extremely high costs to society because they get heart attacks, etc. While it might be true, I can't really see it as a valid argument. And it's not like you aren't required to disclose that you're a smoker on your health insurance. It is a problem in countries with public health services. It's not like smokers pay more taxes than other people. As for the obesity part, yes that is a problem as well. Over here it was actually being considered that people with lifestyle-caused diseases would be placed father back in the queue for medical attention. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:29 JPP wrote: It is a problem in countries with public health services. It's not like smokers pay more taxes than other people. As for the obesity part, yes that is a problem as well. Over here it was actually being considered that people with lifestyle-caused diseases would be placed father back in the queue for medical attention. At least around here, cigarettes are taxed an insane amount. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:29 JPP wrote: It is a problem in countries with public health services. It's not like smokers pay more taxes than other people. As for the obesity part, yes that is a problem as well. Over here it was actually being considered that people with lifestyle-caused diseases would be placed father back in the queue for medical attention. You guys don't have a tax on cigarettes? We do... | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:28 TheLOLas wrote: I suppose that if someone tells me that they use drugs ( such as pot, meth, crack, or anything else ) i wouldn't want to be around them. and therefore I would be prejudiced. lol iv never heard of pot so casually compared to crack and meth. does caffeine count? | ||
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:03 Valentine wrote: I don't use anything anymore, but I can't really look down on anyone who uses any sort of drug. I guess I have a somewhat extensive list, but I never really changed from any of it. Looking back, a lot of it was stupid, but a lot of it also helped me learn a lot about life and myself. Salvia, marijuana, shrooms, cocaine, amphetamines, mdma, 2c-i, dextromethorphan, diphenhydramine and n2o helped me learn a lot about myself. Who I really am deep down without inhibitions (stimulants, psychedelics) and understanding of reality, taking the steps 1 by 1 to re-learn how existence works (mostly focusing on DXM and salvia here) Valium (and related benzos), alcohol, marijuana, helped me learn a lot about the world and people around me. Of course my regularly prescribed medications fall under this category as well. Opiates, methamphetamine, cocaine, and n2o helped me a learn a lot about my weaknesses and highlight the worst aspects of my life, and everyone else's lives. I guess I don't really have much of a message here other than some people can use, learn, understand, and move on. Drugs don't have to be a lifetime crutch, and my experiences have taught me a lot. I understand why someone would look down on me if I told them what I have done, but I also feel sympathy for them, as I know they will never understand what I have learned from my usage. Not sure if I missed any on the list.. lol. DXM is amazing. | ||
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CounterOrder
Canada457 Posts
Two people can perform the exact same action for very different reasons. Cant stand that cliche! Anyway, ive done around 85 different drugs and sadly im the most sane and down to earth person ive yet to meet, also easily the most knowledgeable. An intelligent person will be intelligent and a stupid person will be stupid, no drug will change that. My ex flew through college while doing oxycodone. No problem, she would drop some of that shit and ace anything. Every drug ive done has had a far more positive affect on me and my life in general than negatives... but im not going to bother trying to explain that here. I just dont get the senseless hate. Not even wanting to associate with someone because they smoke? REALLY!!? What exactly are you so scared of? Just because of the drugs ive done without even saying hello to me im already hated and stereo typed.  Dont judge someone for their actions. Judge them for the reason they executed said action, the consequences of said action, Not simply weather or not the action was performed. Live and let live. Why the fuck not? . | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
It was and is my favorite drug of all time. There isn't even a real pleasure to it, more of an aura of discomfort and a complete obliteration of thought process, while sprinkling in some hallucinations. That and I take 200mg Bupropion so it potentiates the trip quite a bit, while making it last 10-12 hours, with a solid 24 hour afterglow. I don't use anymore, but the memories are quite nice  That and pretty much always being able to bring myself back to that state mentally, and remind myself that the way we all see our lives is such an illusion.On October 18 2011 01:36 CounterOrder wrote: Actually you shouldnt judge a person by their actions. You should judge them by their thoughts. Two people can perform the exact same action for very different reasons. Cant stand that cliche! Anyway, ive done around 85 different drugs and sadly im the most sane and down to earth person ive yet to meet, also easily the most knowledgeable. An intelligent person will be intelligent and a stupid person will be stupid, no drug will change that. My ex flew through college while doing oxycodone. No problem, she would drop some of that shit and ace anything. Every drug ive done has had a far more positive affect on me and my life in general than negatives... but im not going to bother trying to explain that here. I just dont get the senseless hate. Not even wanting to associate with someone because they smoke? REALLY!!? What exactly are you so scared of? Just because of the drugs ive done without even saying hello to me im already hated and stereo typed. Dont judge someone for their actions. Judge them for the reason they executed said action, the consequences of said action, Not simply weather or not the action was performed. Live and let live. Why the fuck not? . Better yet, why bother judging them in the first place? I guess it's just human nature to look down upon anything you don't understand, unfortunately =[ I guess overall the only negative thing I can bring from my using was the monetary cost in the end. | ||
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
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Deja Thoris
South Africa646 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:36 CounterOrder wrote: Anyway, ive done around 85 different drugs and sadly im the most sane and down to earth person ive yet to meet, also easily the most knowledgeable. Every drug ive done has had a far more positive affect on me and my life in general than negatives... You should add modest to the list while you are on a roll. To add to your huge wealth of knowledge, its effect, not affect. I somehow get the impression that your post is slightly biased. Also, if all the drugs you've smoked, injected and snorted had net positive effects then you are in the minority. | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:07 JPP wrote: It's easy for an individual person to say that "My smoking/drinking/pot doesn't harm anyone", but in reality the costs to society are actually incredibly high. Take smoking for example. Smoking is one of the leading causes for lung cancer. And treating cancer is seriously expensive. Same goes for alcohol of drugs. A month in rehab costs a lot, and that doesn't even account for the psychological damage for families, relatives and so on. Personally for me, I will be prejudiced against a drug user, but that doesn't mean that that person can't convince me otherwise. Don't forget all the young soccer players and people who are skiing! They often break bones, have stuff with their knee (that takes veeery long to heal properly). Those are really high costs because the operations are expensive, they can't go to work, work less effective because they might have pain etc. But in the end, they live a long life because their organs are healthy through all the sport, but their body is damaged which means they are getting pension a long time, and because they live so long they gotta often see doctors. Also there are studies that say that fat smokers are the cheapest to society because all the smoking health problems come when they are older, and until then the work normally and pay into the pension funds. But then they die statistically 10 years earlier than "healthy" people, which means that they get MUCH less pension and in medicinal costs are propably the same because they have a short time of high medical attention while the "healthy" ones have a long time of lower medical attention (which goes up with age). | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:29 JPP wrote: It is a problem in countries with public health services. It's not like smokers pay more taxes than other people. As for the obesity part, yes that is a problem as well. Over here it was actually being considered that people with lifestyle-caused diseases would be placed father back in the queue for medical attention. I hate it. It's the first step into fascism that wants to make people into lifeless work-drones who only live to work, reproduce, then die. fuck this shit. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:07 randomKo_Orean wrote: Just curious, do drug users really need validation for their habits? I've seen too many lives ruined 'cause of drugs. Hell, my lung went to shit when I was smoking, but it was something I choose to do. Yeah, I didn't like people giving me the holier-than-thou attitude, but I dealt with it because I choose to smoke. My lungs went to shit because my roommate smoked in the other room while the university just sat idle and watched. Something like smoking being looked down upon is reasonable because it has observable and real damaging effects on others. Something like drinking might not necessarily have the same effect, but there is the probability that they will go out and drive and get into a crash. You might also look at how the killing of brain cells from drinking will in small amounts reduce the overall condition of the community/society through your own deficiencies. Something like weed: does it have the same lung damaging effects as cigarettes? You must also consider if they're using it for medical purposes, of which there are many including fighting cancer. So overall I have a reasonable prejudice against drug users: drugs can help in some cases but cause some overall damage to the individuals life and the lives of others. | ||
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On October 18 2011 01:48 BlackFlag wrote: I hate it. It's the first step into fascism that wants to make people into lifeless work-drones who only live to work, reproduce, then die. fuck this shit. Maybe I'm not understanding your post, but what gives you the right to harm me? Your freedom? | ||
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