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first off, i dont like to be around ppl who are prejudiced against recreational druguse because it gives me bad trips.
furthermore i would opine that ppl who would stop women voting because it is against the law should not be allowed to vote.
in the following text when i refer to drugs i talk about any substance that will influence your mind and body beyond just simple food or water intake.
i think one of the problems of the whole discussion is that what you hear about drugs growing up is mostly negative and hardly ever will someone be sincere with you about the potential pleasures and risks. the risks are frequently exagerated (except for maybe alcohol, where sometimes ppl understate the dangers) and the positive effects of drugs (yes, most do have positive effects as well) are not talked about if the drug is not allowed by the state.
so most ppl grow up do be prejudiced against drug and hardly ever educate themselves about them. this is all good and fine as long as you want to be abstinent for your whole life and only surround yourself with ppl who are the same, but chances are you will meet recreational drug users and like some of them so educating oneself about drugs is a very good idea.
if you know people who u like use drugs you should most definetly know a little about them, so you can judge wether the person needs help or if you are even capable of helping. most drug users are not addicts and are not immediately in danger to become addicts (except for maybe chrystal or heroin, but even with these drugs there are mentally healthy recreational users). if you know a little bit about how various drugs work, you know longer have to be prejudiced against ppl and can possibly help people who you like and who seem to be falling into bad habits.
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Why can't it be my choice whether or not I choose to associate with people who drink alcohol/do drugs? I don't do either of those things, and I don't care to be around people that do. Does that make me a bad person?
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Listen, there are lots of people out there that have a substance abuse problem (consider it a disease, whatever, it's an addiction that's beyond an addiction). The word prejudice is wrong in this situation. Pity and words related are what you want to feel for these people.
On the flip side, there are plenty of people who can function in society while frequently using/abusing drugs.
Addiction is a warped, baffling and powerful thing, and it doesn't just apply to drugs. Don't 'judge' someone based on their drug use alone because that's always a very small part of who they are.
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On October 18 2011 00:01 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Why can't it be my choice whether or not I choose to associate with people who drink alcohol/do drugs? I don't do either of those things, and I don't care to be around people that do. Does that make me a bad person?
no, this makes me <3 u
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Starcraft has negatively impacted my life 100x more than smoking pot has.
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On October 17 2011 23:54 stimdm4 wrote:
first off, i dont like to be around ppl who are prejudiced against recreational druguse because it gives me bad trips.
furthermore i would opine that ppl who would stop women voting because it is against the law should not be allowed to vote.
in the following text when i refer to drugs i talk about any substance that will influence your mind and body beyond just simple food or water intake.
i think one of the problems of the whole discussion is that what you hear about drugs growing up is mostly negative and hardly ever will someone be sincere with you about the potential pleasures and risks. the risks are frequently exagerated (except for maybe alcohol, where sometimes ppl understate the dangers) and the positive effects of drugs (yes, most do have positive effects as well) are not talked about if the drug is not allowed by the state.
so most ppl grow up do be prejudiced against drug and hardly ever educate themselves about them. this is all good and fine as long as you want to be abstinent for your whole life and only surround yourself with ppl who are the same, but chances are you will meet recreational drug users and like some of them so educating oneself about drugs is a very good idea.
if you know people who u like use drugs you should most definetly know a little about them, so you can judge wether the person needs help or if you are even capable of helping. most drug users are not addicts and are not immediately in danger to become addicts (except for maybe chrystal or heroin, but even with these drugs there are mentally healthy recreational users). if you know a little bit about how various drugs work, you know longer have to be prejudiced against ppl and can possibly help people who you like and who seem to be falling into bad habits.
word!
whats wrong popping some mdma on fridays when its only 5 times a year ?
anyone who has everbeen inlove like headoverheels knows the feeling u will have when popping mdma! all natural.
im am addicted to sc2, it gives me a rush and i love it.
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dont think pot would not lead to an (dont know the english term) addiction that affects ure body.
everyone who smokes pot can feel it on the day after, when u feel kind of tired. its not the mind that feels tired but ure body. everyone who smokes pot on a daylie base and stops will have sleepless nights sweating like shit for the next 3 weeks.
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On October 17 2011 23:13 Snusdosa wrote:Show nested quote +Yes, I will say to you, why smoke at all if you know full well that you are funding criminals? And you said that you need to back up on stuff like buying new clothes and not taking airplanes? Clothes are a necessity of life. Travel by air is a necessity for people who do business or work overseas. They are necessary evils, from what you describe them. Because i believe that even though im funding criminals (not anymore since i found the local dealer) its still not worse than what other people are doing. Clothes are a necessity of life? Sure, but honestly, does the average joe really need six pairs of pants? Does ANY girl need three pairs of shoes? Is there any legit reason why someone should own 10 different T-shirts? If people really only bought clothes because they are a necessity of life, i'd agree with you, but thats not the situation. People but clothes to look good, to fit in, and because we live in an extremely materialistic culture. The harm done by marijuana isn't even remotely close to the damage and suffering caused by our greedy lust for cheap products we dont really need. So with 80% of the world being completely oblivious to this, why the hell should i feel bad for "funding" criminals by ocassionally purchasing a couple of grams of weed from someone? Show nested quote +But you smoking weed or not is totally not a necessity. And you chose to smoke weed. And you said you are forced to help criminals because the state made weed illegal (ie, not your fault, its the law's fault). Nope, people smoking tobacco costs society millions each year because of the health problems caused by tobacco. With alcohol its even worse and add to that all the violence, crime and abuse caused by alcohol. But these two substances are most certainly not a necessity of life. People could choose to not smoke or drink, but they dont. Do you think these people are better than marijuana smokers? Show nested quote +And I noticed that you said you buy your weed from your friend who grows his own weed from home. No ties to criminal elements. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I have no problem with that. I just don't agree with the concept that buying drugs = flying in aeroplanes to SEA countries = buying clothes = equal amounts of sin. No, buying and using drugs is disproportionately more sinful compared to the other two, and can be totally avoided if you choose to. Sorry but you're wrong, when you're flying to for example Thailand to spend a week on vacation with your family you are supporting the exploitation of the locals and their land as well as using a means of transport that causes great damage to the ecosystem. I have no idea how this seems more harmless than buying and smoking some weed every now and then to you but anyone with isn't biased would immediately recognise the sooner to be more inhuman than the latter.
Let's not be sidetracked here. I did not say alcoholics and smokers are better than marijuana users.
To be clear, all I'm saying:
Person A: Buys new clothes, takes airplane to Thailand, drives cars.
Person B: Buys new clothes, takes airplane to Thailand, drives cars, smokes weed.
And you are claiming that person A is as bad as person B. That's where I disagree. I think that person B is worse than person A when it comes to damage done to society. If I were person B, I will strive to be person A and drop the weed habit. Does that make sense?
And don't talk about Tincurandan's opinion here (his reply to me only). He is talking about the issue of legalizing weed, and he has a valid point. Not relevant here though.
People on both sides of this "argument" are speaking far too absolutely about how people should adopt their world view. Why not just own the fact that you have your own world view? I don't partake in drugs or smoking. I do drink. I'm not going to want to be friends with people that are heavy smokers or that do drugs. Why? Because I don't want to be in the situations where I have to deal with that to hang out with them. It's not necessarily because of what those substances do to the person or because of what the Government says or does not say about those substances, but it's a personal preference.
Basically this is my opinion on this prejudice issue.
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On October 17 2011 23:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 23:22 Hipsv wrote:
Drug use as in casual use shouldn't sway your opinion of a person, drug abuse should as it is almost always accompanied by psychological problems. As far as hiring goes, what someone does on their weekend is their own business as far as I am concerned. If they come in completely fucked up though, or have a history of doing so then yeah I can see why people wouldn't hire them, but the same is true for alcohol use.
As far as people who smoke pot breaking the law, its not actually true, its illegal to have marijuana in your possession (1 gram and over in Canada, so a single .5 joint is legal) and it is illegal to distribute it, but not illegal to use it. Seeing as how you can't use something if you don't have it (at least, that logic is pretty much solid in the United States, I don't know how it works in Canada), it's pretty much illegal to possess pot. (I don't like the fact that it's illegal, but it's illegal.)
Nah you can have under a gram in Canada which is plenty for a non regular user to get high if the solo smoke it. Especially if they are skinny.
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well when studies say 46% of usa people (and rest of world is like 10-20%) used weed, this would make half of usa unliked
for me i think it often makes it more positive in case of weed etc since they are not that "steril" guys but if its like heroin kokain etc it rly makes my oppinion so bad i not wanna be in tuch with them
so soft drugs HEY and hard drugs MEH xD
for me personal, the persons i know who consume like weed normaly are more relaxed
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I didn't read all 20 pages here. I'm a terrible person.
I have absolutely no problem with people who smoke weed. I have absolutely no problem with people who drink. But when it becomes part of who you are, rather than what you do occasionally, then I'll pre-judge the SHIT out of you... And the tricky part with drugs and alcohol is that it's pretty much impossible to tell when that happens yourself.
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On October 18 2011 00:08 Hipsv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 23:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2011 23:22 Hipsv wrote:
Drug use as in casual use shouldn't sway your opinion of a person, drug abuse should as it is almost always accompanied by psychological problems. As far as hiring goes, what someone does on their weekend is their own business as far as I am concerned. If they come in completely fucked up though, or have a history of doing so then yeah I can see why people wouldn't hire them, but the same is true for alcohol use.
As far as people who smoke pot breaking the law, its not actually true, its illegal to have marijuana in your possession (1 gram and over in Canada, so a single .5 joint is legal) and it is illegal to distribute it, but not illegal to use it. Seeing as how you can't use something if you don't have it (at least, that logic is pretty much solid in the United States, I don't know how it works in Canada), it's pretty much illegal to possess pot. (I don't like the fact that it's illegal, but it's illegal.) Nah you can have under a gram in Canada which is plenty for a non regular user to get high if the solo smoke it. Especially if they are skinny.
Regular user or no, if you smoke a gram and don't get high, something is wrong.
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On October 17 2011 23:50 Virtue wrote:
I don't really buy the victimless crime thing. I mean, I suppose they are likely not hurting anyone physically, but even the 'lightest' drugs do damage to relationships.
I had a friend who I used to hang out with regularly start smoking pot and eventually it got to the point where we would plan to hang out and he would say,"Yeah, I'll call you when I'm off work." and never call. I knew some of the guys he worked with and he was basically getting high with them after work. This happened every week during that summer and now we've only seen each other on the bus three or four times in almost 2 years. He recently told me that he felt bad about ignoring me all that time, but we've still never hung out.
The same thing happened to a friend I graduated with. She started smoking pot and all she would do for a while is smoke and hang out with people who did too. She kind of just stopped trying to hang out with me and now I haven't seen her in a few months.
As much as people who smoke pot want to rant about how it isn't addictive and it isn't bad for you at all, it sure seemed to addict them. Also, I wasn't being judgmental to them at all. I never confronted them harshly about it. I only politely refused to smoke with them once or twice, and since then they were just uninterested in me at all and I've known them for years.
Damn right it addicts. But scratching your head addicts. Playing a game addicts, being around special people addicts. A diet addicts. Excercise addicts. Sex addicts.
Addiction is more normal than asceticism. Most animals have one foodsource, and they're addicted to it, they can't even process something else. Addiction to behaviour pattern is called learing, and when it's usefull it's called skill.
And being sad addicts. being angry addicts. Having new ideas addicts. Being lazy addicts. Even moderation addicts.
It's simply a property of the brain, the more some structure is used, the more powerful it becomes.
We have the power to change our life, to snap out of it and go be who we "really" wanted to be. But that doesn't mean we should all drop everything, head up onto the mountain and eat berries and water.
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I do drugs, dont care if you do drugs. if you have problems however drugs arent usually going to help you fix them, having addictions at rough times of life is actually not fun 
Balance is the key I believe, its stupid to get high all day long just like its stupid to munch on food all day long. I try to make up for some of my bad habits by having some good ones like I dont eat rubbish and try to keep as active as I can with sports and consider myself reasonably fit 
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On October 18 2011 00:01 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Why can't it be my choice whether or not I choose to associate with people who drink alcohol/do drugs? I don't do either of those things, and I don't care to be around people that do. Does that make me a bad person?
of course it's your choice. this thread is about how it may be an unnecessary choice, based on much misinformation.
On October 17 2011 23:50 Virtue wrote:
I don't really buy the victimless crime thing. I mean, I suppose they are likely not hurting anyone physically, but even the 'lightest' drugs do damage to relationships.
I had a friend who I used to hang out with regularly start smoking pot and eventually it got to the point where we would plan to hang out and he would say,"Yeah, I'll call you when I'm off work." and never call. I knew some of the guys he worked with and he was basically getting high with them after work. This happened every week during that summer and now we've only seen each other on the bus three or four times in almost 2 years. He recently told me that he felt bad about ignoring me all that time, but we've still never hung out.
The same thing happened to a friend I graduated with. She started smoking pot and all she would do for a while is smoke and hang out with people who did too. She kind of just stopped trying to hang out with me and now I haven't seen her in a few months.
As much as people who smoke pot want to rant about how it isn't addictive and it isn't bad for you at all, it sure seemed to addict them. Also, I wasn't being judgmental to them at all. I never confronted them harshly about it. I only politely refused to smoke with them once or twice, and since then they were just uninterested in me at all and I've known them for years.
your relationship with these people was damaged, but it seems that they each have an enjoyable group of friends now. you can see look at it is two people you thought of highly thinking highly of weed, too (no pun intended). i am cool with people who don't smoke because they don't like it (best reason to not smoke), but in general it's just kind of weird to have someone who just sits there and watches you during a group bonding activity, like getting high. have you ever considered trying it?
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I lives in a country which forces schoolchildren to take Ritalin if they bounce in their chairs, pushes Zoloft on them if they get a piece of dust in their eye and shed a momentary tear, routinely kills its senior citizens by overprescribing drugs until the fucking side effects KO them, spends millions of dollars convincing you to ask your doctor for cholesterol-lowering drugs that will eat your liver and yet have no proven value in extending your life, gives teenagers meds that make them kill themselves, has prescribed antiobiotics like candy until lethal flesh-eating bacteria are evolving like a 21st century plague, has a Starbucks on every fucking corner, sells more Viagra than books, is dumping chemicals in the water and food until you can grow breasts from drinking tap water or eating a hamburger there are so many hormones and yet - yet it has a fucking hissy fit if someone with incurable fucking cancer smokes a goddamn joint! And so on and so forth. Hopefully that was suitably outraged.
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On October 18 2011 00:15 beachbeachy wrote:
I lives in a country which forces schoolchildren to take Ritalin if they bounce in their chairs.
hahaha just like when I had to face my parents about smoking weed,
"its alot better than Ritalin which you subscribed to me when I was 12"
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On October 18 2011 00:18 QuackPocketDuck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 00:15 beachbeachy wrote:
I lives in a country which forces schoolchildren to take Ritalin if they bounce in their chairs. hahaha just like when I had to face my parents about smoking weed, "its alot better than Ritalin which you subscribed to me when I was 12"
I was 7
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Almost all of my best friends are druggies. Funny how they ended up being more genuine than most other people I know.
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On October 18 2011 00:02 rogzardo wrote:
Starcraft has negatively impacted my life 100x more than smoking pot has.
Clearly Starcraft is a drug and should be illegal.
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Let's not be sidetracked here. I did not say alcoholics and smokers are better than marijuana users.
To be clear, all I'm saying:
Person A: Buys new clothes, takes airplane to Thailand, drives cars.
Person B: Buys new clothes, takes airplane to Thailand, drives cars, smokes weed.
And you are claiming that person A is as bad as person B. That's where I disagree. I think that person B is worse than person A when it comes to damage done to society. If I were person B, I will strive to be person A and drop the weed habit. Does that make sense?
Im person C, i dont take airplanes to thailand, i go by bus or train as often as i can and i very rarely drink. I do smoke weed. Am i still worse than person A? If you were person B, why do you drop the weed habbit instead of avoiding unnecessary trips to SEA?
If its just a personal preference sure do whatever you please, but you cant use the argument "they're funding drug dealers" to justify your criticism against people who smoke weed because then you'd have to critisize so many other things to avoid being a hypocrite.
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