EPTPrejudice Against Drug Use? - Page 25
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Ayabara
United States102 Posts
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Laurence
Ireland119 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:26 Alay wrote: No. my mother and father were both big alcoholics. My best friend went completely wacked out on pot and almost got me in some bad places. I've seen drug use and abuse do nothing but hurt the people around me, and I certainly think very little of people who cannot find any other coping mechanism than to resort to warping their perception. Your mom, dad, friend obviously had greater problems than the alcohol/pot that people ignored, probably putting blame on the drugs instead. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 18 2011 03:18 Laurence wrote: Taking drugs is a "victimless crime?" How naive is that statement! How is it naive at all? If taking drugs is a crime, drinking alcohol is just as much of a crime. (In fact, alcohol is MUCH worse, if not then worst, for your health than most recreational drugs labeled elicit.) I guess eating fatty food and giving yourself heart disease is now a crime as well. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
Also, you can't make such a 'broad' statement. I smoke pot pretty recreationally on a day to day basis. I have a 2 year old son that i raise well, i work 40 hours a week, i afford all my bills as well as any other american. Because i smoke pot quite regularly i should be looked down upon? What if i told you i live in missorui. I smoke pot because I have Crohns disease and i believe its a better alternative. There are just way to many variables to make a blanket statement on that. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 18 2011 03:35 ohampatu wrote: Short Answer: Its Both, depending on how you treat it. Also, you can't make such a 'broad' statement. I smoke pot pretty recreationally on a day to day basis. I have a 2 year old son that i raise well, i work 40 hours a week, i afford all my bills as well as any other american. Because i smoke pot quite regularly i should be looked down upon? What if i told you i live in missorui. I smoke pot because I have Crohns disease and i believe its a better alternative. There are just way to many variables to make a blanket statement on that. Yea I have a friend that smokes weed daily because he has Ulcerative Colotis. There is no discovered cure or treatment for this disease. My friend went online and saw that many people with the same condition turned to weed for lack of an alternative. He said it helps him eat and lessens the pain in his stomach. He smokes EVERY day but I would never call him a drug abuser. Honestly, this whole thread is pointless, the research done on drugs world wide has been very poor and very biased. Almost every one in here has a skewed view on drugs and their effects (probably never done much besides drink) so of course they are going to be heavily biased against drugs which they have been spoon fed since birth to think are harmful. | ||
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Bio
Canada185 Posts
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
Usually, if I know someone does drugs from the safe group {MDMA, THC, DMT, LSD, whatever} It positively affects my opinion of them because they can see through the lies and bullshit they get force-fed through their life, AND they can look stuff up on their own. They tend to be more outgoing and less easily manipulated. Obviously, there's always just idiots, but yeah. From the other group, though... they're either rich or have some severe character flaws and so it probably would negatively effect my opinion of them (depending on what, and how frequent) | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 17 2011 19:34 rhmiller907 wrote: I smoke pot occasionally and that hasn't stopped me from going to school or work. In my mind if someone can use drugs and still be a "productive" member of society then who cares. My friends dad smoked crack but he also owned his own business ran it quite successfully. My parents used to smoke pot and both of them are very successful. I myself drink alcohol smoke cigarettes and pot. I also go to school have two jobs and still find time to play SC2. It's all about moderation  .People that keep making this argument need to keep one thing in mind: The thing that is 'bad' about pot are the symptoms of its addiction, and addiction is SPECIFICALLY a genetic condition that applies to all such behaviors, and is qualified by the associated negative symptoms. If you don't have the genetic addictive condition, you won't get addicted (though you can still develop a dependency) and if you personally suffer no ill effects in your personal or professional life for smoking pot, then there's no problem. There's a lot of people out there who both have the addictive biology and suffer all the major consequences for extended pot use, and those are the ones that are 'addicts' in the literal sense. | ||
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Ayabara
United States102 Posts
On October 18 2011 03:18 Laurence wrote: Taking drugs is a "victimless crime?" How naive is that statement! Its a case by case basis. Sometimes the only direct victim is the user, and I believe people should be free to "victimize" themselves in anyway they wish to. Only when drug use directly causes harm or danger to others (i.e. using certain drugs around children, being intoxicated while driving, blowing crack smoke into another persons face) should there be intervention. Alcohol and nicotine cause at least ten times as much death as all other drugs combined, period. Alcohol is also involved far more cases of domestic abuse and other violent crimes than all other drugs combined. Does that mean you shouldn't be allowed to drink yourself silly at a Barcraft? | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On October 18 2011 03:45 Twistacles wrote: Woah a lot of squares on teamliquid...guess I shouldn't be suprised. Usually, if I know someone does drugs from the safe group {MDMA, THC, DMT, LSD, whatever} It positively affects my opinion of them because they can see through the lies and bullshit they get force-fed through their life, AND they can look stuff up on their own. They tend to be more outgoing and less easily manipulated. Obviously, there's always just idiots, but yeah. From the other group, though... they're either rich or have some severe character flaws and so it probably would negatively effect my opinion of them (depending on what, and how frequent) I'd be ever so careful with this outlook, and this is coming from a guy who has done way more in terms of psychedelics then he'd care to admit. In general, LSD/shrooms/mescaline/2c's can provide an individual with interesting glimpses of what reality looks like through the gaze of an affected mind, but they must be regarded as such, lest the perspective they grant become as controlling as the one they seem to fight. A fair number of psychedelic users I've known have become too self-assured in their consideration of "tripping", and they end up trumping waking life with the relatively brief periods of hallucinations. Ego-centrism as brought on by over-indulgent manipulations of the consciousness can be a terribly frightening thing to behold (think Inception but less dramatic.) | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 18 2011 03:45 AutomatonOmega wrote: People that keep making this argument need to keep one thing in mind: The thing that is 'bad' about pot are the symptoms of its addiction, and addiction is SPECIFICALLY a genetic condition that applies to all such behaviors, and is qualified by the associated negative symptoms. If you don't have the genetic addictive condition, you won't get addicted (though you can still develop a dependency) and if you personally suffer no ill effects in your personal or professional life for smoking pot, then there's no problem. There's a lot of people out there who both have the addictive biology and suffer all the major consequences for extended pot use, and those are the ones that are 'addicts' in the literal sense. Sorry but you really need to provide a SOURCE to back up what you say. Because I'm fairly certain that you are wrong. On top of that, addictiveness is a much more complicated phenomenon than what you suggest. | ||
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redwingxviii
United States101 Posts
but to my point, i'm a big fan of democracy, and if we've decided as a society that some drugs are illegal, i think we should abide by that law. are all laws created equal? no. but i'd rather we continue to vote and such on what we want and what we don't want, and then live by those rules. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On October 18 2011 03:45 Twistacles wrote: Woah a lot of squares on teamliquid...guess I shouldn't be suprised. Usually, if I know someone does drugs from the safe group {MDMA, THC, DMT, LSD, whatever} It positively affects my opinion of them because they can see through the lies and bullshit they get force-fed through their life, AND they can look stuff up on their own. They tend to be more outgoing and less easily manipulated. Obviously, there's always just idiots, but yeah. From the other group, though... they're either rich or have some severe character flaws and so it probably would negatively effect my opinion of them (depending on what, and how frequent) Yeah, this is the reason i negatively look at drug users, implying that the world is "lies and bullshit, and that existentialism can only be reached through taking pills or smoking, or drinking for that matter." I don't care if you fuck up your life with weed, don't look down on me because you think you're superior for reaching a higher sense of the world. It's a lot like religion now that I come to think of it, everything through moderation. plus your 'squares' statement is prejuduce as it is, oh boy forgive us for not liking drugs, lets all go hold hands and jerk off to teletubbies and sunday school. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On October 18 2011 03:59 redwingxviii wrote: i'm against breaking the law. i'm not sure drug use is victimless. i see how you get there though. but to my point, i'm a big fan of democracy, and if we've decided as a society that some drugs are illegal, i think we should abide by that law. are all laws created equal? no. but i'd rather we continue to vote and such on what we want and what we don't want, and then live by those rules. Too bad you don't live in a democracy. There was no national referendum on marijuana, correct me if I'm wrong. So some people (elected officials) definitely decided that some drugs (including marijuana) should be illegal but it's very misleading to label them "society". | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
If you can go out and get wasted with friends and still love them and the next day get your panties in a knot about a friend smoking some pot or taking some mdma you're a very foolish person. | ||
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On October 18 2011 02:29 TheGlassface wrote: Aspirin is a drug. Caffeine is a drug. Any kind of medication for disorders, also drugs. So, you're right but it's a minority. A very small minority. Most people don't even know they're using some kind of drug every day. Semantics. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 18 2011 04:02 Endymion wrote: Yeah, this is the reason i negatively look at drug users, implying that the world is "lies and bullshit, and that existentialism can only be reached through taking pills or smoking, or drinking for that matter." I don't care if you fuck up your life with weed, don't look down on me because you think you're superior for reaching a higher sense of the world. It's a lot like religion now that I come to think of it, everything through moderation. plus your 'squares' statement is prejuduce as it is, oh boy forgive us for not liking drugs, lets all go hold hands and jerk off to teletubbies and sunday school. I think you misunderstand his post... I think he is more referring to the people who look at weed as a harmful drug while they drink away their brain cells and livers. All recent research has shown that drugs like those he listed, MDMA, THC, DMT, LSD, etc. are much less harmful socially and physically to a person than commonly used drugs such as alcohol, caffeine and cigarettes. It is mostly politics and money that keeps regulated but much more harmful drugs legal while the mostly harmless ones are strictly illegal. He is right, it is bullshit, and it is propaganda. You'd probably be surprised to know that the reason marijuana was illegalized in the US in the first place had nothing to do with medical health, it was to give the government a clear way to arrest protesters (since protesting is completely legal) in the 70s. I don't think he is trying to imply that by using drugs you will reach enlightenment or a higher state of being. There is just a clear distinction between those who choose to do their own research, believe what they want and those that listen to unsubstantiated ANTIDRUG commercials. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
It's not semantics.. the negative effects on many prescription pills far outweigh the negative effects of illegal drugs. Honestly, anyone who doesn't see huge glaring problems with drug enforcement and drug litigation in the US is blind or just brainwashed. | ||
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