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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:50 B00ts wrote: You can get a 2500k to 4.6ghz on air cooling? I had no idea... I'm gunna have some fun tomorrow  mine is at 4.4ghz stable (no need to push it any further, really) with an aftermarket heatsink. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:30 mav451 wrote: Huh? We knew BD tech would be utilized for Trinity - this was presented in the June 2011 keynote. Remember the guy holding up the Trinitiy APU? It's for this reason people are linking the success of the two together. If BD sucks, kind of diminishes the excitement for Trinity doesn't it? GPU improvement will be just fine (ATi held up their end of the deal), but if BD-side stalls the CPU performance, it's not going to be a balanced approach. I know Trinity and Kaveri will be using Piledriver and Steamroller cores... But when someone says next-generation Bulldozer, I assume they're talking about Enhanced Bulldozer scheduled for Q1 of 2012 or Next-Generation Bulldozer on 22nm scheduled for 2013. Is there actually information on these (which is the FX brand) being APUs ... ? | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:22 skyR wrote: Source on next generation Bulldozer being an APU? Just because Trinity and Kaveri will be using Piledriver and Steamroller cores does not mean that the FX brand will be getting an IGP... Next Gen Bulldozer will be used for APUs and pretty much their whole deskstop offer. My bad. Yea they will have some high end procs without IGP but it will only be interesting for servers, video editing, 3D rendering and stuff like. I would not be surprised if it is limited to the opterons tbh. They will have to make huge improvements in single/double threaded performance and if they want to be competitive in the mainstream / performance DESKTOP market ( i mean we are talking about gamers here ). The IGP will be the main selling point for AMD. If they can work on the drivers it means that you will be able to get a cheap crossfire. Just look at their current platform. The APU are replacing progressively the older CPU and they are starting by the bottom end. Mainstream is the next step. edit: i mean it just doesn't make sense to not put IGP with the proc. It is the only way to be competitive. I mean why Llano is competitive vs SB on the low end mobile ? Because AMD has a better offer than SB IGP. | ||
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IreScath
Canada521 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:22 skyR wrote: Source on next generation Bulldozer being an APU? Just because Trinity and Kaveri will be using Piledriver and Steamroller cores does not mean that the FX brand will be getting an IGP... Um... Take my word for it. I promise?.. hehehe. They aren't technically called APU's in the road map... But they will be DirectX 11 capable. EDIT: To clarify more.. Llano's next gen, Trinity, will use Bulldozer cores, same with Next gen bulldozer.. both will have DX11 capable graphics. | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:37 Boblion wrote: Just look at their current platform. The APU are replacing progressively the older CPU and they are starting by the bottom end. Mainstream is the next step. Yes but FX is not mainstream, Komodo won't feature an IGP(the successor to Zambezi). | ||
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IreScath
Canada521 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:45 clusen wrote: Yes but FX is not mainstream, Komodo won't feature an IGP(the successor to Zambezi). ORLY? http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19948 | ||
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
OMG OMG THE CLOCK FREQUENCY ISN"T AS HIGH AS AN i7 ITS TERRIBLE!?!?!?!?!!!? AMD has pretty much always designed processors that run at slower clocks but do more instructions in said clock period. Intel on the other hand does the exact opposite, they have a very fast clock and do tons of tiny instructions. In general they even out when your performing any task (sometimes AMD even does better), but the higher clock rate is great for marketing. Rule of thumb, don't trust the stats, they are generally false, test the hardware yourself with the program you will be buying the processor for. EDIT: Maybe I should clarify. Yes I saw that the clock rates for the Bulldozer were higher than that of the i7. I was just talking about general trends, not the Bulldozer specifically. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/final-recount,268-3.html Notice the clock frequencies of each of the AMD chips vs the Intel chips. I am also not insinuating that AMD's chips do better performance-wise than Intel chips, I am just suggesting that AMD's chips are often underrated because they may not post as nice stats. | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
Yes, really. http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f11/amd-piledriver-nextgen-bulldozer-komodo-2012-a-815556.html An unedited version of the pic and a more recent roadmap. € Or why do you think the "DX11 capable GPU" is a new point for the other releases but not for Komodo? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:47 Chimpalimp wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Take the stats with a grain of salt, most benchmarks don't mean much to be honest. Benchmarks are generally created to to determine performance in a certain aspect, meaning that some processors will perform well on some benchmarks and bad on others. Just from a general overview of the benchmarks it seems to do ok, just not amazing. OMG OMG THE CLOCK FREQUENCY ISN"T AS HIGH AS AN i7 ITS TERRIBLE!?!?!?!?!!!? AMD has pretty much always designed processors that run at slower clocks but do more instructions in said clock period. Intel on the other hand does the exact opposite, they have a very fast clock and do tons of tiny instructions. In general they even out when your performing any task (sometimes AMD even does better), but the higher clock rate is great for marketing. Rule of thumb, don't trust the stats, they are generally false; test it yourself with the program you will be buying the processor for. Whatever you're smoking, hook me up. Bulldozer has higher clocks. Obviously you didn't read any of the stuff you're trying to discredit. And when the benchmarks from multiple sources all agree, it's hard to cry bias, especially when AMD buys ad space on half of the sites providing those reviews. Bulldozer does NOT compete in the consumer market. But hey, delude yourself and waste money all you want. | ||
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IreScath
Canada521 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:47 Chimpalimp wrote: Take the stats with a grain of salt, most benchmarks don't mean much to be honest. Benchmarks are generally created to to determine performance in a certain aspect, meaning that some processors will perform well on some benchmarks and bad on others. Just from a general overview of the benchmarks it seems to do ok, just not amazing. OMG OMG THE CLOCK FREQUENCY ISN"T AS HIGH AS AN i7 ITS TERRIBLE!?!?!?!?!!!? AMD has pretty much always designed processors that run at slower clocks but do more instructions in said clock period. Intel on the other hand does the exact opposite, they have a very fast clock and do tons of tiny instructions. In general they even out when your performing any task (sometimes AMD even does better), but the higher clock rate is great for marketing. Rule of thumb, don't trust the stats, they are generally false, test the hardware yourself with the program you will be buying the processor for. So... Just so you know, I almost reported you thinking this was a troll... But I'll bite. The Bulldozer core actually does LESS per clock tick (see Tom's hardware review tests). And these bulldozer chips actually ship with basically the same range as clock rates as Intel this time around. Did you look at Bulldozer stats/benchmarks at all? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:47 B00ts wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 13 2011 03:45 clusen wrote: Yes but FX is not mainstream, Komodo won't feature an IGP(the successor to Zambezi). ORLY? http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19948 That slide is wrong... This is directly from AMD: http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2010/11/09/simply-put-it’s-all-about-velocity/dt-roadmap_with-footnote/ On October 13 2011 03:47 Chimpalimp wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Take the stats with a grain of salt, most benchmarks don't mean much to be honest. Benchmarks are generally created to to determine performance in a certain aspect, meaning that some processors will perform well on some benchmarks and bad on others. Just from a general overview of the benchmarks it seems to do ok, just not amazing. OMG OMG THE CLOCK FREQUENCY ISN"T AS HIGH AS AN i7 ITS TERRIBLE!?!?!?!?!!!? AMD has pretty much always designed processors that run at slower clocks but do more instructions in said clock period. Intel on the other hand does the exact opposite, they have a very fast clock and do tons of tiny instructions. In general they even out when your performing any task (sometimes AMD even does better), but the higher clock rate is great for marketing. Rule of thumb, don't trust the stats, they are generally false; test it yourself with the program you will be buying the processor for. Way to be an ignorant delusional AMD fanboy. Intel has higher IPC for years now. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Hopefully Intel will keep their prices honest -_- | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:58 Djzapz wrote: Dear lord AMD, you almost managed to take a step backward... Hopefully Intel will keep their prices honest -_- BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. I LOL'ed IRL. For one, "keep"? That's a good one. For two, yeah right. Right now they charge more for an i5 2500 non-k than a 2300. Same piece of silicon. | ||
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IreScath
Canada521 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:52 clusen wrote: Yes, really. http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f11/amd-piledriver-nextgen-bulldozer-komodo-2012-a-815556.html An unedited version of the pic and a more recent roadmap. € Or why do you think the "DX11 capable GPU" is a new point for the other releases but not for Komodo? Not sure where you found that roadmap... I can't find the same one anywhere official.... Perhaps for a reason? EDIT: found it.... Investigating... | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:47 Chimpalimp wrote: Take the stats with a grain of salt, most benchmarks don't mean much to be honest. Benchmarks are generally created to to determine performance in a certain aspect, meaning that some processors will perform well on some benchmarks and bad on others. Just from a general overview of the benchmarks it seems to do ok, just not amazing. OMG OMG THE CLOCK FREQUENCY ISN"T AS HIGH AS AN i7 ITS TERRIBLE!?!?!?!?!!!? AMD has pretty much always designed processors that run at slower clocks but do more instructions in said clock period. Intel on the other hand does the exact opposite, they have a very fast clock and do tons of tiny instructions. In general they even out when your performing any task (sometimes AMD even does better), but the higher clock rate is great for marketing. Rule of thumb, don't trust the stats, they are generally false, test the hardware yourself with the program you will be buying the processor for. er I don't think that's been true since it was Athlon 64 vs. P4. On October 13 2011 04:00 JingleHell wrote: BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. I LOL'ed IRL. For one, "keep"? That's a good one. For two, yeah right. Right now they charge more for an i5 2500 non-k than a 2300. Same piece of silicon. I think you're actually referring to the i5 2390T, not the i5 2500 non-k. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 13 2011 04:00 JingleHell wrote: BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. I LOL'ed IRL. For one, "keep"? That's a good one. For two, yeah right. Right now they charge more for an i5 2500 non-k than a 2300. Same piece of silicon. Well it's probably binned, isn't it? Regardless, hardware manufacturers have been doing that even when competition was pretty even. Like between NVIDIA and ATI, they would literally shut down some pipelines on their cards to sell them cheaper. Sometimes you could even turn them back up. Recently there was a GTX465 that was just a gimped GTX470 that you could flash back to GTX470 firmware. Anyway, $170 for a 2500k that'll last me for years is pretty alright. They could almost act like a monopoly at this point and they'd get slapped fees for it but that'd probably be covered by their profits. By "keeping their prices honest", I meant that I hope they won't start acting like a monopoly. | ||
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FIStarcraft
United States154 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 13 2011 04:06 Djzapz wrote: Well it's probably binned, isn't it? Regardless, hardware manufacturers have been doing that even when competition was pretty even. Like between NVIDIA and ATI, they would literally shut down some pipelines on their cards to sell them cheaper. Sometimes you could even turn them back up. Recently there was a GTX465 that was just a gimped GTX470 that you could flash back to GTX470 firmware. Anyway, $170 for a 2500k that'll last me for years is pretty alright. They could almost act like a monopoly at this point and they'd get slapped fees for it but that'd probably be covered by their profits. By "keeping their prices honest", I meant that I hope they won't start acting like a monopoly. So because everybody is ripping you off in the same ways it's ok they rip you off? And they're not always better binned, depending on demand. And if you think they aren't acting like a monopoly, look at 1366 pricing. And GTX 465 was the most insulting piece of hardware released in the last 2 years. Although reference 6950s were kind of a nice gesture. | ||
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TadH
Canada1846 Posts
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