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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 20:32:37
October 12 2011 20:32 GMT
#221
The real killer though is the Celeron G530 that offers performance about 5-8% lower than G620 and costs only 57 dollars.

So yeah other suggestions? For gaming CPU.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 20:35:25
October 12 2011 20:34 GMT
#222
On October 13 2011 05:21 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 05:18 Boblion wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:12 Shikyo wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:06 B00ts wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:02 Drowsy wrote:
I went with Phenom x6 because it was on sale at the local fry's electronics a year ago. I'm kind of regretting it now though, intel is destroying AMD at nearly every price point.



???

Do people post not knowing what they are talking about???

Intel is clearly winning the High-end desktop market... But thats about it

AMD's Llano and Brazos family CPU/APU's are doing very well in low-mid markets. And while the bulldozer is bleh for desktops.. It should serve to help out the server side market share gap as well.

And keep in mind... The high-end CPU market is the smallest CPU market segment.

EDIT: Yes, Intel is clearly winning overall.. But in almost every segment AMD being destroyed?... C'mon....

low-mid is what? I don't know much about laptops, but for desktop sandybridge processors destroy AMD in the 50$, 65-80$, 125$, and 175$ departments as well unless you for some reason need a ton of cores without much single-thread performance.

No just no
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-2.html

The Athlon II x3 is still the king below 100$ and the cheap Phenoms can still be interesting especially if you plan to OC.


I'd love to see the criteria on that.

The criteria is that you can OC.

You know the same criteria than the Intel fanboys have always used before SB <3

Anyway the conclusion of Anandtech is basicly what i'm saying.

The decision tilts in AMD's favor if you start comparing to the Athlon II X3. In heavily threaded workloads, the Athlon II X3's third core helps put it ahead of the entire SNB Pentium lineup. If you're building a machine to do offline 3D rendering, multithreaded compiling or video transcoding then AMD continues to deliver the best performance per dollar. It's in the lighter, less threaded workloads that the Pentium pulls ahead. If you're building more of a general use system (email, web browsing, typical office applications and even discrete GPU gaming), the Pentium will likely deliver better performance thanks to its ILP advantages. What AMD has offered these past couple of years is an affordable way to get great multithreaded performance for those applications that need it.

Unfortunately the entire Sandy Bridge Pentium lineup is clock locked. Without turbo modes there's no support for overclocking at all. While these new Pentiums would have normally been great for enthusiasts looking to overclock, Intel has ensured that anyone looking to get more performance for free at the low end will have to shop AMD. Unfortunately Intel's advantage in single/lightly threaded performance is big enough that a clock speed advantage alone is generally not enough to make up for it (see G620 vs. Athlon II X2 265 comparison). It's sad that it has come to this. I was hoping we'd see more K-series SKUs at the low end but it seems like those will only be for the enthusiasts at the high end.

The new Pentiums are better in game, i will give you that.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 20:40:40
October 12 2011 20:39 GMT
#223
On October 13 2011 05:34 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 05:21 JingleHell wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:18 Boblion wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:12 Shikyo wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:06 B00ts wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:02 Drowsy wrote:
I went with Phenom x6 because it was on sale at the local fry's electronics a year ago. I'm kind of regretting it now though, intel is destroying AMD at nearly every price point.



???

Do people post not knowing what they are talking about???

Intel is clearly winning the High-end desktop market... But thats about it

AMD's Llano and Brazos family CPU/APU's are doing very well in low-mid markets. And while the bulldozer is bleh for desktops.. It should serve to help out the server side market share gap as well.

And keep in mind... The high-end CPU market is the smallest CPU market segment.

EDIT: Yes, Intel is clearly winning overall.. But in almost every segment AMD being destroyed?... C'mon....

low-mid is what? I don't know much about laptops, but for desktop sandybridge processors destroy AMD in the 50$, 65-80$, 125$, and 175$ departments as well unless you for some reason need a ton of cores without much single-thread performance.

No just no
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-2.html

The Athlon II x3 is still the king below 100$ and the cheap Phenoms can still be interesting especially if you plan to OC.


I'd love to see the criteria on that.

The criteria is that you can OC.

You know the same criteria than the Intel fanboys have always used before SB <3

Anyway the conclusion of Anandtech is basicly what i'm saying.
Show nested quote +

The decision tilts in AMD's favor if you start comparing to the Athlon II X3. In heavily threaded workloads, the Athlon II X3's third core helps put it ahead of the entire SNB Pentium lineup. If you're building a machine to do offline 3D rendering, multithreaded compiling or video transcoding then AMD continues to deliver the best performance per dollar. It's in the lighter, less threaded workloads that the Pentium pulls ahead. If you're building more of a general use system (email, web browsing, typical office applications and even discrete GPU gaming), the Pentium will likely deliver better performance thanks to its ILP advantages. What AMD has offered these past couple of years is an affordable way to get great multithreaded performance for those applications that need it.

Unfortunately the entire Sandy Bridge Pentium lineup is clock locked. Without turbo modes there's no support for overclocking at all. While these new Pentiums would have normally been great for enthusiasts looking to overclock, Intel has ensured that anyone looking to get more performance for free at the low end will have to shop AMD. Unfortunately Intel's advantage in single/lightly threaded performance is big enough that a clock speed advantage alone is generally not enough to make up for it (see G620 vs. Athlon II X2 265 comparison). It's sad that it has come to this. I was hoping we'd see more K-series SKUs at the low end but it seems like those will only be for the enthusiasts at the high end.

The new Pentiums are better in game, i will give you that.

Well do you know how hot they run and how low the thermal limit is in comparison? I mean that means you need an aftermarket cooler and that's like 30$ added and then you're looking at a 110$ CPU

Also the overclocking gets it even with G840, not ahead, and it'll use over double the power...

Oh but if you enable the last core it has some merit naturally
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 12 2011 20:46 GMT
#224
On October 13 2011 05:17 JingleHell wrote:
Relatively honest may stand, but go back to your original statement that you took offense at me laughing at.

Well you still should have taken my post with a grain of salt. I don't see the problem with it. All corporations are "dishonest" to an extent so we shouldn't grasp straws like that.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 20:47:54
October 12 2011 20:47 GMT
#225
On October 13 2011 05:39 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 05:34 Boblion wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:21 JingleHell wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:18 Boblion wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:12 Shikyo wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:06 B00ts wrote:
On October 13 2011 05:02 Drowsy wrote:
I went with Phenom x6 because it was on sale at the local fry's electronics a year ago. I'm kind of regretting it now though, intel is destroying AMD at nearly every price point.



???

Do people post not knowing what they are talking about???

Intel is clearly winning the High-end desktop market... But thats about it

AMD's Llano and Brazos family CPU/APU's are doing very well in low-mid markets. And while the bulldozer is bleh for desktops.. It should serve to help out the server side market share gap as well.

And keep in mind... The high-end CPU market is the smallest CPU market segment.

EDIT: Yes, Intel is clearly winning overall.. But in almost every segment AMD being destroyed?... C'mon....

low-mid is what? I don't know much about laptops, but for desktop sandybridge processors destroy AMD in the 50$, 65-80$, 125$, and 175$ departments as well unless you for some reason need a ton of cores without much single-thread performance.

No just no
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-2.html

The Athlon II x3 is still the king below 100$ and the cheap Phenoms can still be interesting especially if you plan to OC.


I'd love to see the criteria on that.

The criteria is that you can OC.

You know the same criteria than the Intel fanboys have always used before SB <3

Anyway the conclusion of Anandtech is basicly what i'm saying.

The decision tilts in AMD's favor if you start comparing to the Athlon II X3. In heavily threaded workloads, the Athlon II X3's third core helps put it ahead of the entire SNB Pentium lineup. If you're building a machine to do offline 3D rendering, multithreaded compiling or video transcoding then AMD continues to deliver the best performance per dollar. It's in the lighter, less threaded workloads that the Pentium pulls ahead. If you're building more of a general use system (email, web browsing, typical office applications and even discrete GPU gaming), the Pentium will likely deliver better performance thanks to its ILP advantages. What AMD has offered these past couple of years is an affordable way to get great multithreaded performance for those applications that need it.

Unfortunately the entire Sandy Bridge Pentium lineup is clock locked. Without turbo modes there's no support for overclocking at all. While these new Pentiums would have normally been great for enthusiasts looking to overclock, Intel has ensured that anyone looking to get more performance for free at the low end will have to shop AMD. Unfortunately Intel's advantage in single/lightly threaded performance is big enough that a clock speed advantage alone is generally not enough to make up for it (see G620 vs. Athlon II X2 265 comparison). It's sad that it has come to this. I was hoping we'd see more K-series SKUs at the low end but it seems like those will only be for the enthusiasts at the high end.

The new Pentiums are better in game, i will give you that.

Well do you know how hot they run and how low the thermal limit is in comparison? I mean that means you need an aftermarket cooler and that's like 30$ added and then you're looking at a 110$ CPU

Also the overclocking gets it even with G840, not ahead, and it'll use over double the power...

Oh but if you enable the last core it has some merit naturally

Oh no need to convince me, i know that the reasoning behind the OC is kinda dumb especially for low end CPU but for some people it makes sense.
Remember the old debate between the Wolfdale and Clarkdale vs Athlon II x3x4 and Phenom II x2x3 when Intel CPU had better OC performance.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
October 12 2011 20:55 GMT
#226
When I mentioned market segments in terms of Low-mid-high, I should have been more clear.

Low-mid desktop CPUs are a smaller part of the low-mid segment. I am encompassing everythnig from Brazos - Bulldozer... small form factor, to laptops, to desktops,... even smartphones (lol AMD smart phone cpu's hehe)

In terms of market share AMD is catching up low-mid overall with Brazos and Llano.... Including mobile brazos/llano and desktop brazos - llano....

I was not referencing performance... But actual market share and results GROWTH. Apologies for the foggy comments... I can see the confusion.
IreScath
h0oTiS
Profile Joined January 2011
United States101 Posts
October 12 2011 20:56 GMT
#227
too bad it was originally supposed to come out in 2009 derp, 2009 was the first roadmap for bulldozer release, maybe it would have been cool back then eh
The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 21:01:22
October 12 2011 20:58 GMT
#228
This is an old chart (accurate data up to 2010)... However 2011 so far, is even more skewed towards tablets/mini laptops than the 2011 projection below.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/17/forrester-tablets-outsell-netbooks/

So in a few years desktops are projected to drop below 20%, and of those 20%... How much do you think are high end? 10%? 20%?... The high-end desktop CPU market will eventually very niche, and I am starting to think AMD is banking on it, and trying to just go after than fat segments.

Which sucks for us, letting Intel pretty much charge willy nilly for their high-end stuff.

IreScath
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 12 2011 21:17 GMT
#229
On October 13 2011 05:58 B00ts wrote:
This is an old chart (accurate data up to 2010)... However 2011 so far, is even more skewed towards tablets/mini laptops than the 2011 projection below.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/17/forrester-tablets-outsell-netbooks/

So in a few years desktops are projected to drop below 20%, and of those 20%... How much do you think are high end? 10%? 20%?... The high-end desktop CPU market will eventually very niche, and I am starting to think AMD is banking on it, and trying to just go after than fat segments.

Which sucks for us, letting Intel pretty much charge willy nilly for their high-end stuff.


Aren't those prebuilts and does it take into account that you can't build your own laptops?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 12 2011 21:20 GMT
#230
On October 13 2011 06:17 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 05:58 B00ts wrote:
This is an old chart (accurate data up to 2010)... However 2011 so far, is even more skewed towards tablets/mini laptops than the 2011 projection below.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/17/forrester-tablets-outsell-netbooks/

So in a few years desktops are projected to drop below 20%, and of those 20%... How much do you think are high end? 10%? 20%?... The high-end desktop CPU market will eventually very niche, and I am starting to think AMD is banking on it, and trying to just go after than fat segments.

Which sucks for us, letting Intel pretty much charge willy nilly for their high-end stuff.


Aren't those prebuilts and does it take into account that you can't build your own laptops?

Also I'm fairly certain there are countries in the world that are not the US.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
October 12 2011 21:39 GMT
#231
We will all get ARM devices and cloud computing anyway !
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Gogleion
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States534 Posts
October 12 2011 21:59 GMT
#232
On October 13 2011 05:34 Boblion wrote:

Anyway the conclusion of Anandtech is basicly what i'm saying.
Show nested quote +

The decision tilts in AMD's favor if you start comparing to the Athlon II X3. In heavily threaded workloads, the Athlon II X3's third core helps put it ahead of the entire SNB Pentium lineup. If you're building a machine to do offline 3D rendering, multithreaded compiling or video transcoding then AMD continues to deliver the best performance per dollar. It's in the lighter, less threaded workloads that the Pentium pulls ahead. If you're building more of a general use system (email, web browsing, typical office applications and even discrete GPU gaming), the Pentium will likely deliver better performance thanks to its ILP advantages. What AMD has offered these past couple of years is an affordable way to get great multithreaded performance for those applications that need it.

Unfortunately the entire Sandy Bridge Pentium lineup is clock locked. Without turbo modes there's no support for overclocking at all. While these new Pentiums would have normally been great for enthusiasts looking to overclock, Intel has ensured that anyone looking to get more performance for free at the low end will have to shop AMD. Unfortunately Intel's advantage in single/lightly threaded performance is big enough that a clock speed advantage alone is generally not enough to make up for it (see G620 vs. Athlon II X2 265 comparison). It's sad that it has come to this. I was hoping we'd see more K-series SKUs at the low end but it seems like those will only be for the enthusiasts at the high end.

The new Pentiums are better in game, i will give you that.

I have an overclocked i7-2600k. Explain that.

It's impossible to have a processor that is so called 'clock-locked'. No matter if you can't clock up, you can always clock down your processor. Don't get caught up in the turbo-boost technology on the snb chips, that has nothing to do with the ability to overclock.

Oh and the Athlon II X3 is not better than the snb processors in heavily threaded workloads. Especially not compared to any of the high-end i7's. It has a better performance/price ratio than a lot of the intels but it can barely compare in terms of overall performance.

It's not that it's a shit product or anything, but it's an $80 processor and there's only so much AMD can do with that compared with the $300+ i7's
EffOrt. That is all.
Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
October 12 2011 22:01 GMT
#233
I bought the phenom II x4 955 about 8 months ago for a steal from newegg.ca and I couldn't be more happy with it for my gaming computer.

Sad to see that the newest technology doesn't even stand up to the older stuff ??

BTW, a good quality SSD is the best thing to throw in if you're building a gaming rig. Just install SC2 or whatever game to the SSD and enjoy loading before everyone else (and playing in Extreme graphics, but on a budget)
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
October 12 2011 22:32 GMT
#234
On October 13 2011 06:59 Gogleion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 05:34 Boblion wrote:

Anyway the conclusion of Anandtech is basicly what i'm saying.

The decision tilts in AMD's favor if you start comparing to the Athlon II X3. In heavily threaded workloads, the Athlon II X3's third core helps put it ahead of the entire SNB Pentium lineup. If you're building a machine to do offline 3D rendering, multithreaded compiling or video transcoding then AMD continues to deliver the best performance per dollar. It's in the lighter, less threaded workloads that the Pentium pulls ahead. If you're building more of a general use system (email, web browsing, typical office applications and even discrete GPU gaming), the Pentium will likely deliver better performance thanks to its ILP advantages. What AMD has offered these past couple of years is an affordable way to get great multithreaded performance for those applications that need it.

Unfortunately the entire Sandy Bridge Pentium lineup is clock locked. Without turbo modes there's no support for overclocking at all. While these new Pentiums would have normally been great for enthusiasts looking to overclock, Intel has ensured that anyone looking to get more performance for free at the low end will have to shop AMD. Unfortunately Intel's advantage in single/lightly threaded performance is big enough that a clock speed advantage alone is generally not enough to make up for it (see G620 vs. Athlon II X2 265 comparison). It's sad that it has come to this. I was hoping we'd see more K-series SKUs at the low end but it seems like those will only be for the enthusiasts at the high end.

The new Pentiums are better in game, i will give you that.

I have an overclocked i7-2600k. Explain that.

It's impossible to have a processor that is so called 'clock-locked'. No matter if you can't clock up, you can always clock down your processor. Don't get caught up in the turbo-boost technology on the snb chips, that has nothing to do with the ability to overclock.

Oh and the Athlon II X3 is not better than the snb processors in heavily threaded workloads. Especially not compared to any of the high-end i7's. It has a better performance/price ratio than a lot of the intels but it can barely compare in terms of overall performance.

It's not that it's a shit product or anything, but it's an $80 processor and there's only so much AMD can do with that compared with the $300+ i7's


That's not a Pentium...

And all SBs are pretty much multiplier overclock only for 2 models, none of which are cheap. You can't adjust the FSB/HT/Whatever They Call it Clock in SB very much without it going screwy on you. That being said, all you have to do in SB is to buy something that ends in 'k' and adjust multiplier up along with voltage instead of monkeying with it for a whole afternoon (but some people like doing that).
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Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
October 12 2011 22:36 GMT
#235
On October 13 2011 06:39 Boblion wrote:
We will all get ARM devices and cloud computing anyway !

You call them "Intel Fanboys" when the ironic thing is that they will always go for the better price performance brand and you're the actual fanboy for defending that amd processor for the low end gaming rig.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 22:49:28
October 12 2011 22:37 GMT
#236
On October 13 2011 06:59 Gogleion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 05:34 Boblion wrote:

Anyway the conclusion of Anandtech is basicly what i'm saying.

The decision tilts in AMD's favor if you start comparing to the Athlon II X3. In heavily threaded workloads, the Athlon II X3's third core helps put it ahead of the entire SNB Pentium lineup. If you're building a machine to do offline 3D rendering, multithreaded compiling or video transcoding then AMD continues to deliver the best performance per dollar. It's in the lighter, less threaded workloads that the Pentium pulls ahead. If you're building more of a general use system (email, web browsing, typical office applications and even discrete GPU gaming), the Pentium will likely deliver better performance thanks to its ILP advantages. What AMD has offered these past couple of years is an affordable way to get great multithreaded performance for those applications that need it.

Unfortunately the entire Sandy Bridge Pentium lineup is clock locked. Without turbo modes there's no support for overclocking at all. While these new Pentiums would have normally been great for enthusiasts looking to overclock, Intel has ensured that anyone looking to get more performance for free at the low end will have to shop AMD. Unfortunately Intel's advantage in single/lightly threaded performance is big enough that a clock speed advantage alone is generally not enough to make up for it (see G620 vs. Athlon II X2 265 comparison). It's sad that it has come to this. I was hoping we'd see more K-series SKUs at the low end but it seems like those will only be for the enthusiasts at the high end.

The new Pentiums are better in game, i will give you that.

I have an overclocked i7-2600k. Explain that.

It's impossible to have a processor that is so called 'clock-locked'. No matter if you can't clock up, you can always clock down your processor. Don't get caught up in the turbo-boost technology on the snb chips, that has nothing to do with the ability to overclock.

Oh and the Athlon II X3 is not better than the snb processors in heavily threaded workloads. Especially not compared to any of the high-end i7's. It has a better performance/price ratio than a lot of the intels but it can barely compare in terms of overall performance.

It's not that it's a shit product or anything, but it's an $80 processor and there's only so much AMD can do with that compared with the $300+ i7's

Wow thanks for the input dude. Didn't know that the 2600K was better than an athlon II x3
Great advice !

On October 13 2011 07:36 Phayze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 06:39 Boblion wrote:
We will all get ARM devices and cloud computing anyway !

You call them "Intel Fanboys" when the ironic thing is that they will always go for the better price performance brand and you're the actual fanboy for defending that amd processor for the low end gaming rig.

Well i guess that Anandtech and Tomhardware are fanboys too...
edit: actually you just don't know how to read lol.

Just to be clear i called fanboys the guys who have said in the past that a wolfdale > Athlon II / Phe II because of the OC. I didn't call ppl in this thread fanboys.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 22:53:10
October 12 2011 22:48 GMT
#237
You originally stated that the Athlon II X3 was the best processor sub $100 than link to a tomshardware article for "best gaming CPU" ... Anandtech only implied it is a good value for multi-threaded work... not gaming.

The article you quoted from Anandtech even stated that even though the Athlons are overclockable, the clock speed advantage is not enough to make up for the performance difference between the architectures...

And yes we all know Tomshardware is bias. This is why you get no credibility when you link to this shit site.

Second generation Phenoms and Athlons were good value back than because the performance gap between it and Intel wasn't as huge as it is now and they were sub $150 processors while the Wolfdales (E8) and Yorkfields (Q9) were all above $150.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#238
hahahhah amd

intel has been better since they released the core 2 duo
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Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
October 12 2011 23:04 GMT
#239
Wow, I am surprised. I expected that the new chip would at the least outperform the Phenom Series' chips.

I guess my decision to go with a Phenom II X6 or X4 is certainly better and cheaper than the new X8.
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
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Last Edited: 2011-10-12 23:06:17
October 12 2011 23:06 GMT
#240
On October 13 2011 07:56 renaissanceMAN wrote:
hahahhah amd

intel has been better since they released the core 2 duo

Let's not heap too much praise on the shady company that had to break the law to get an edge on AMD to start with.
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