EPTSo yeah other suggestions? For gaming CPU.
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
So yeah other suggestions? For gaming CPU. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
The criteria is that you can OC. You know the same criteria than the Intel fanboys have always used before SB <3 Anyway the conclusion of Anandtech is basicly what i'm saying. The decision tilts in AMD's favor if you start comparing to the Athlon II X3. In heavily threaded workloads, the Athlon II X3's third core helps put it ahead of the entire SNB Pentium lineup. If you're building a machine to do offline 3D rendering, multithreaded compiling or video transcoding then AMD continues to deliver the best performance per dollar. It's in the lighter, less threaded workloads that the Pentium pulls ahead. If you're building more of a general use system (email, web browsing, typical office applications and even discrete GPU gaming), the Pentium will likely deliver better performance thanks to its ILP advantages. What AMD has offered these past couple of years is an affordable way to get great multithreaded performance for those applications that need it. Unfortunately the entire Sandy Bridge Pentium lineup is clock locked. Without turbo modes there's no support for overclocking at all. While these new Pentiums would have normally been great for enthusiasts looking to overclock, Intel has ensured that anyone looking to get more performance for free at the low end will have to shop AMD. Unfortunately Intel's advantage in single/lightly threaded performance is big enough that a clock speed advantage alone is generally not enough to make up for it (see G620 vs. Athlon II X2 265 comparison). It's sad that it has come to this. I was hoping we'd see more K-series SKUs at the low end but it seems like those will only be for the enthusiasts at the high end. The new Pentiums are better in game, i will give you that. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:34 Boblion wrote: The criteria is that you can OC. You know the same criteria than the Intel fanboys have always used before SB <3 Anyway the conclusion of Anandtech is basicly what i'm saying. The new Pentiums are better in game, i will give you that. Well do you know how hot they run and how low the thermal limit is in comparison? I mean that means you need an aftermarket cooler and that's like 30$ added and then you're looking at a 110$ CPU Also the overclocking gets it even with G840, not ahead, and it'll use over double the power... Oh but if you enable the last core it has some merit naturally | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:17 JingleHell wrote: Relatively honest may stand, but go back to your original statement that you took offense at me laughing at. Well you still should have taken my post with a grain of salt. I don't see the problem with it. All corporations are "dishonest" to an extent so we shouldn't grasp straws like that. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:39 Shikyo wrote: Well do you know how hot they run and how low the thermal limit is in comparison? I mean that means you need an aftermarket cooler and that's like 30$ added and then you're looking at a 110$ CPU Also the overclocking gets it even with G840, not ahead, and it'll use over double the power... Oh but if you enable the last core it has some merit naturally Oh no need to convince me, i know that the reasoning behind the OC is kinda dumb especially for low end CPU but for some people it makes sense. Remember the old debate between the Wolfdale and Clarkdale vs Athlon II x3x4 and Phenom II x2x3 when Intel CPU had better OC performance. | ||
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IreScath
Canada521 Posts
Low-mid desktop CPUs are a smaller part of the low-mid segment. I am encompassing everythnig from Brazos - Bulldozer... small form factor, to laptops, to desktops,... even smartphones (lol AMD smart phone cpu's hehe) In terms of market share AMD is catching up low-mid overall with Brazos and Llano.... Including mobile brazos/llano and desktop brazos - llano.... I was not referencing performance... But actual market share and results GROWTH. Apologies for the foggy comments... I can see the confusion. | ||
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h0oTiS
United States101 Posts
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IreScath
Canada521 Posts
http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/17/forrester-tablets-outsell-netbooks/ So in a few years desktops are projected to drop below 20%, and of those 20%... How much do you think are high end? 10%? 20%?... The high-end desktop CPU market will eventually very niche, and I am starting to think AMD is banking on it, and trying to just go after than fat segments. Which sucks for us, letting Intel pretty much charge willy nilly for their high-end stuff.  | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:58 B00ts wrote: This is an old chart (accurate data up to 2010)... However 2011 so far, is even more skewed towards tablets/mini laptops than the 2011 projection below. http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/17/forrester-tablets-outsell-netbooks/ So in a few years desktops are projected to drop below 20%, and of those 20%... How much do you think are high end? 10%? 20%?... The high-end desktop CPU market will eventually very niche, and I am starting to think AMD is banking on it, and trying to just go after than fat segments. Which sucks for us, letting Intel pretty much charge willy nilly for their high-end stuff. Aren't those prebuilts and does it take into account that you can't build your own laptops? | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:17 Shikyo wrote: Aren't those prebuilts and does it take into account that you can't build your own laptops? Also I'm fairly certain there are countries in the world that are not the US. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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Gogleion
United States534 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:34 Boblion wrote: Anyway the conclusion of Anandtech is basicly what i'm saying. The new Pentiums are better in game, i will give you that. I have an overclocked i7-2600k. Explain that. It's impossible to have a processor that is so called 'clock-locked'. No matter if you can't clock up, you can always clock down your processor. Don't get caught up in the turbo-boost technology on the snb chips, that has nothing to do with the ability to overclock. Oh and the Athlon II X3 is not better than the snb processors in heavily threaded workloads. Especially not compared to any of the high-end i7's. It has a better performance/price ratio than a lot of the intels but it can barely compare in terms of overall performance. It's not that it's a shit product or anything, but it's an $80 processor and there's only so much AMD can do with that compared with the $300+ i7's | ||
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
Sad to see that the newest technology doesn't even stand up to the older stuff ?? BTW, a good quality SSD is the best thing to throw in if you're building a gaming rig. Just install SC2 or whatever game to the SSD and enjoy loading before everyone else (and playing in Extreme graphics, but on a budget) | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:59 Gogleion wrote: I have an overclocked i7-2600k. Explain that. It's impossible to have a processor that is so called 'clock-locked'. No matter if you can't clock up, you can always clock down your processor. Don't get caught up in the turbo-boost technology on the snb chips, that has nothing to do with the ability to overclock. Oh and the Athlon II X3 is not better than the snb processors in heavily threaded workloads. Especially not compared to any of the high-end i7's. It has a better performance/price ratio than a lot of the intels but it can barely compare in terms of overall performance. It's not that it's a shit product or anything, but it's an $80 processor and there's only so much AMD can do with that compared with the $300+ i7's That's not a Pentium... And all SBs are pretty much multiplier overclock only for 2 models, none of which are cheap. You can't adjust the FSB/HT/Whatever They Call it Clock in SB very much without it going screwy on you. That being said, all you have to do in SB is to buy something that ends in 'k' and adjust multiplier up along with voltage instead of monkeying with it for a whole afternoon (but some people like doing that). | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:39 Boblion wrote: We will all get ARM devices and cloud computing anyway ! You call them "Intel Fanboys" when the ironic thing is that they will always go for the better price performance brand and you're the actual fanboy for defending that amd processor for the low end gaming rig. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:59 Gogleion wrote: I have an overclocked i7-2600k. Explain that. It's impossible to have a processor that is so called 'clock-locked'. No matter if you can't clock up, you can always clock down your processor. Don't get caught up in the turbo-boost technology on the snb chips, that has nothing to do with the ability to overclock. Oh and the Athlon II X3 is not better than the snb processors in heavily threaded workloads. Especially not compared to any of the high-end i7's. It has a better performance/price ratio than a lot of the intels but it can barely compare in terms of overall performance. It's not that it's a shit product or anything, but it's an $80 processor and there's only so much AMD can do with that compared with the $300+ i7's Wow thanks for the input dude. Didn't know that the 2600K was better than an athlon II x3 Great advice ! On October 13 2011 07:36 Phayze wrote: You call them "Intel Fanboys" when the ironic thing is that they will always go for the better price performance brand and you're the actual fanboy for defending that amd processor for the low end gaming rig. Well i guess that Anandtech and Tomhardware are fanboys too... edit: actually you just don't know how to read lol. Just to be clear i called fanboys the guys who have said in the past that a wolfdale > Athlon II / Phe II because of the OC. I didn't call ppl in this thread fanboys. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
The article you quoted from Anandtech even stated that even though the Athlons are overclockable, the clock speed advantage is not enough to make up for the performance difference between the architectures... And yes we all know Tomshardware is bias. This is why you get no credibility when you link to this shit site. Second generation Phenoms and Athlons were good value back than because the performance gap between it and Intel wasn't as huge as it is now and they were sub $150 processors while the Wolfdales (E8) and Yorkfields (Q9) were all above $150. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
intel has been better since they released the core 2 duo | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
I guess my decision to go with a Phenom II X6 or X4 is certainly better and cheaper than the new X8. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On October 13 2011 07:56 renaissanceMAN wrote: hahahhah amd intel has been better since they released the core 2 duo Let's not heap too much praise on the shady company that had to break the law to get an edge on AMD to start with. | ||
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