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Serthius
Samoa226 Posts
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AegonC
United States260 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
The 9-9-9 he talks about is good in theory. In practice, congress & future administrations will punch the 9% personal income tax / corporate tax full of holes and exemptions, and take the new national sales tax as another point they can do tax increases on. | ||
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Fishmalk
74 Posts
I wouldn't be so sure that this point is as important in the republican primary as you make it out to be. While nominating a candidate that has no chance to win against Comrade Barry is the height of stupidity, I sadly do not believe that is it a feat beyond the ability of the far right. The Tea Party has been very, very vocal about ideological purity, and there is a very good chance that Romney will do a better job of collecting supporters fleeing the sinking ships of Bachman and Perry. While the utter collapse of Bachman, and the slower but still significant waning of Perry has been very good for Cains prospects, it is also good news for Romney, who is also starting with more support then Cain. Of course, anything can happen. Christie has apparently rejected the RNCs appeals for the fat man to waddle into the race. Ron Paul has no shot at winning the primary himself, but he has a very loyal and vocal core of supporters that would almost certainly full their full support behind any candidate that takes him as their running mate. It is interesting to note that about this time before the last election, Guliani was the republican front-runner. While Cain has a very good shot at the primary, I am not convinced that he will succeed in taking much of the minority vote from Obama. Much more likely, I imagine, is that minority voters will just stay home in 2012 like they did in 2010, which is the only way the republicans could possibly hold Barry to one term. I'm not betting on the right, but the race has gotten a lot closer then it would be if Perry secured the nomination. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255487 Besides that, Cain is utterly unelectable. It's difficult to seen a real path to the Republican nomination for him, and impossible to conceive of him winning the general. Remember, straw polls are notoriously terrible predictors of who the eventual nominee will actually be. They're conducted by small groups of loyal republican party members, and are not a representative sample. While I don't know a ton about the Florida poll that Cain won, many straw polls are also corrupt. Cain has virtually no concrete positions on anything, no foreign policy experience, and no experience in government (a positive in the primary but a negative in the general). Even conservative groups are laughing at his absolutely mad 9-9-9 plan. As much as I wish I didn't have to point this out, the republican base has a powerful and vocal racist faction. They're likely a minority, but it's a large enough contingency to seriously hamper Cain's chances at the nomination. | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
I want Ron Paul to win. He has so odd stances, but also is the most grounded in reality and isn't willing to state the uncomfortable truths. | ||
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
On October 02 2011 09:58 ZeaL. wrote: Somehow I think your hypothesis that being black automatically means minorities will vote for cain is fundamentally flawed. I mean, its not like the african american community routinely votes >90% for D candidates regardless of color. It's closer to 2/3rds to 3/4ths, but yeah... Most African Americans have determined which party is likely to work for their interests: the Democrats. Like most voters, they vote their interests. There's also a strong historical component. Democrats gave up the Southern vote in the 60's with the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act, but they gained loyalty of previously disenfranchised black voters. | ||
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Ausfailia
Australia123 Posts
whoa... what? I'm sorry, but I don't see how somebody so obviously bigoted can possibly be in any way electable. Blatant ignorance of that degree shouldn't be permitted within any broad definition of politics. | ||
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On October 02 2011 10:06 Omnipresent wrote: It's closer to 2/3rds to 3/4ths, but yeah... Most African Americans have determined which party is likely to work for their interests: the Democrats. Like most voters, they vote their interests. There's also a strong historical component. Democrats gave up the Southern vote in the 60's with the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act, but they gained loyalty of previously disenfranchised black voters. Clinton got 84% in 96, Gore 90%, Kerry 88%, Obama 95%, so maybe not 90% but >85% | ||
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BlackJack
United States10444 Posts
btw I wouldn't brag about about Cain being within 5 points of Obama. My butt would be within 5 points of Obama if someone branded an (R) onto it. | ||
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
On October 02 2011 10:10 Ausfailia wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_cain#Controversial_remarks whoa... what? I'm sorry, but I don't see how somebody so obviously bigoted can possibly be in any way electable. Blatant ignorance of that degree shouldn't be permitted within any broad definition of politics. That's because he's not electable. Though you should know, those remarks will score him some real points within his party, and that's all you need to get the nomination. He's still unlikely to be the nominee, but some of his more controversial statements help him more than they hurt at this stage. | ||
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Charlatan
Australia27 Posts
On October 02 2011 10:10 Ausfailia wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_cain#Controversial_remarks whoa... what? I'm sorry, but I don't see how somebody so obviously bigoted can possibly be in any way electable. Blatant ignorance of that degree shouldn't be permitted within any broad definition of politics. From the article: Cain opposed the building of an Islamic Center for a Muslim community at a site in Tennessee, claiming that it was "an infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion" Incredible! I thought the film Machete (compelling political drama... Right?) contained some absurd humour, but it seems it's genuinely satirical. I can empathise with Americans wanting to disassociate themselves with this part of their country. | ||
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Coramoor
Canada455 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On October 02 2011 10:26 Coramoor wrote: But he'll be killed in the actual election for the remarks, the one that matters, so i fail to see why anyone thinks he will win Every single candidate has at least a week where everyone thinks they can win. Then people realize the person is a total loser and has no shot. Eventually they are just going to have to bite their tongue and chose Romney. | ||
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