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Serthius
Profile Joined December 2010
Samoa226 Posts
October 01 2011 22:10 GMT
#21
And he doesn't like to read.
AegonC
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States260 Posts
October 01 2011 22:29 GMT
#22
I agree that Herman Cain would be a better president than Obama. How much better though? One of my main complaints about Obama is his experience. He's a community organizer for Pete's sake! One could argue that Cain is a "business man". But is running a pizza company, albeit a large one, really good experience for running a nation? I, for one, support Mit Romney and/or Ron Paul, because of their experience.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 01 2011 22:38 GMT
#23
i'd love to see this guy run against colonel sanders
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 01 2011 23:02 GMT
#24
Doubt he'll get the Republican nomination. Kinda biffed it when he talked about Muslims in his administration, or operating on him.

The 9-9-9 he talks about is good in theory. In practice, congress & future administrations will punch the 9% personal income tax / corporate tax full of holes and exemptions, and take the new national sales tax as another point they can do tax increases on.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Fishmalk
Profile Joined November 2010
74 Posts
October 02 2011 00:50 GMT
#25
[QUOTE]On October 02 2011 06:45 Letho wrote:Point 3 - the other candidates are weak. Romney will never be president as he is too close to Bush; you can bet that the liberals are getting the astroturf ready to destroy him if he gets the nomination. Perry has some of the same problems; he could probably win, but people don't love him like they do Herman Cain. Paul is unelectable and not a conservative. Bachmann, well we already know. Huntsman, same as Paul, Santorum same as Bachmann, Gingrich is awesome but has too much history. Anyway, you get the picture; would love to hear what you guys think as well./QUOTE]

I wouldn't be so sure that this point is as important in the republican primary as you make it out to be. While nominating a candidate that has no chance to win against Comrade Barry is the height of stupidity, I sadly do not believe that is it a feat beyond the ability of the far right. The Tea Party has been very, very vocal about ideological purity, and there is a very good chance that Romney will do a better job of collecting supporters fleeing the sinking ships of Bachman and Perry.

While the utter collapse of Bachman, and the slower but still significant waning of Perry has been very good for Cains prospects, it is also good news for Romney, who is also starting with more support then Cain.

Of course, anything can happen. Christie has apparently rejected the RNCs appeals for the fat man to waddle into the race. Ron Paul has no shot at winning the primary himself, but he has a very loyal and vocal core of supporters that would almost certainly full their full support behind any candidate that takes him as their running mate. It is interesting to note that about this time before the last election, Guliani was the republican front-runner.

While Cain has a very good shot at the primary, I am not convinced that he will succeed in taking much of the minority vote from Obama. Much more likely, I imagine, is that minority voters will just stay home in 2012 like they did in 2010, which is the only way the republicans could possibly hold Barry to one term. I'm not betting on the right, but the race has gotten a lot closer then it would be if Perry secured the nomination.
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
October 02 2011 00:57 GMT
#26
What is this, the UK? Since when does the United States have a Conservative party?
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ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
October 02 2011 00:58 GMT
#27
Somehow I think your hypothesis that being black automatically means minorities will vote for cain is fundamentally flawed. I mean, its not like the african american community routinely votes >90% for D candidates regardless of color.
Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
October 02 2011 01:02 GMT
#28
There's a thread for this already:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255487

Besides that, Cain is utterly unelectable. It's difficult to seen a real path to the Republican nomination for him, and impossible to conceive of him winning the general.

Remember, straw polls are notoriously terrible predictors of who the eventual nominee will actually be. They're conducted by small groups of loyal republican party members, and are not a representative sample. While I don't know a ton about the Florida poll that Cain won, many straw polls are also corrupt.

Cain has virtually no concrete positions on anything, no foreign policy experience, and no experience in government (a positive in the primary but a negative in the general). Even conservative groups are laughing at his absolutely mad 9-9-9 plan.

As much as I wish I didn't have to point this out, the republican base has a powerful and vocal racist faction. They're likely a minority, but it's a large enough contingency to seriously hamper Cain's chances at the nomination.
moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
October 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#29
I'm sorry, but any guy who is so overtly racist really shouldn't not reach the White House, ever, lest catastrophic consequences occur. It is quite funny to see the Republican candidates fall over each other to out-villfiy Muslims, yet if they ever get into the White House, would probably co-operate with them.

I want Ron Paul to win. He has so odd stances, but also is the most grounded in reality and isn't willing to state the uncomfortable truths.
Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
October 02 2011 01:06 GMT
#30
On October 02 2011 09:58 ZeaL. wrote:
Somehow I think your hypothesis that being black automatically means minorities will vote for cain is fundamentally flawed. I mean, its not like the african american community routinely votes >90% for D candidates regardless of color.

It's closer to 2/3rds to 3/4ths, but yeah... Most African Americans have determined which party is likely to work for their interests: the Democrats. Like most voters, they vote their interests.

There's also a strong historical component. Democrats gave up the Southern vote in the 60's with the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act, but they gained loyalty of previously disenfranchised black voters.
Ausfailia
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia123 Posts
October 02 2011 01:10 GMT
#31
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_cain#Controversial_remarks

whoa... what? I'm sorry, but I don't see how somebody so obviously bigoted can possibly be in any way electable. Blatant ignorance of that degree shouldn't be permitted within any broad definition of politics.
BioNova
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States598 Posts
October 02 2011 01:12 GMT
#32
I would point out that as a former chairman of the K.C. Federal Reserve bank, Mr Cain is no stranger in a strange land.
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ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
October 02 2011 01:14 GMT
#33
On October 02 2011 10:06 Omnipresent wrote:
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On October 02 2011 09:58 ZeaL. wrote:
Somehow I think your hypothesis that being black automatically means minorities will vote for cain is fundamentally flawed. I mean, its not like the african american community routinely votes >90% for D candidates regardless of color.

It's closer to 2/3rds to 3/4ths, but yeah... Most African Americans have determined which party is likely to work for their interests: the Democrats. Like most voters, they vote their interests.

There's also a strong historical component. Democrats gave up the Southern vote in the 60's with the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act, but they gained loyalty of previously disenfranchised black voters.


Clinton got 84% in 96, Gore 90%, Kerry 88%, Obama 95%, so maybe not 90% but >85%
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 02 2011 01:16 GMT
#34
For once Sarah Palin says something correct - Herman Cain is the flavor of the week.

btw I wouldn't brag about about Cain being within 5 points of Obama. My butt would be within 5 points of Obama if someone branded an (R) onto it.
Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
October 02 2011 01:19 GMT
#35
On October 02 2011 10:10 Ausfailia wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_cain#Controversial_remarks

whoa... what? I'm sorry, but I don't see how somebody so obviously bigoted can possibly be in any way electable. Blatant ignorance of that degree shouldn't be permitted within any broad definition of politics.

That's because he's not electable. Though you should know, those remarks will score him some real points within his party, and that's all you need to get the nomination. He's still unlikely to be the nominee, but some of his more controversial statements help him more than they hurt at this stage.
Charlatan
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia27 Posts
October 02 2011 01:24 GMT
#36
On October 02 2011 10:10 Ausfailia wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_cain#Controversial_remarks

whoa... what? I'm sorry, but I don't see how somebody so obviously bigoted can possibly be in any way electable. Blatant ignorance of that degree shouldn't be permitted within any broad definition of politics.


From the article:
Cain opposed the building of an Islamic Center for a Muslim community at a site in Tennessee, claiming that it was "an infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion"

Incredible! I thought the film Machete (compelling political drama... Right?) contained some absurd humour, but it seems it's genuinely satirical. I can empathise with Americans wanting to disassociate themselves with this part of their country.
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Coramoor
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada455 Posts
October 02 2011 01:26 GMT
#37
But he'll be killed in the actual election for the remarks, the one that matters, so i fail to see why anyone thinks he will win
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
October 02 2011 02:17 GMT
#38
I'd like to see him win the nomination just to see how the black and conservative white voting patterns change.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 02 2011 02:22 GMT
#39
Yeah, there is no way that Cain will get more votes than Romney, let alone the majority of them.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
October 02 2011 02:37 GMT
#40
On October 02 2011 10:26 Coramoor wrote:
But he'll be killed in the actual election for the remarks, the one that matters, so i fail to see why anyone thinks he will win


Every single candidate has at least a week where everyone thinks they can win. Then people realize the person is a total loser and has no shot. Eventually they are just going to have to bite their tongue and chose Romney.
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