On October 02 2011 10:26 Coramoor wrote: But he'll be killed in the actual election for the remarks, the one that matters, so i fail to see why anyone thinks he will win
Every single candidate has at least a week where everyone thinks they can win. Then people realize the person is a total loser and has no shot. Eventually they are just going to have to bite their tongue and chose Romney.
Basically the GOP is trying desperately to find someone who's not Romney, hype up one of the competitors and see if it sticks. Unfortunately for them they're finding that their party is basically batshit crazy.
We already had a "Cain" run for president and that was McCain. We already had a black guy run for president and that was Obama. This guy isn't unique at all.
Herman Cain is a banker candidate. He is actually worse than Rick Perry and Perry went to Bilderberg.
He supports the patriot act, supports secret military tribunals, supports the TSA, supports affirmative action, is "racist" towards Muslims and is uncomfortable around them, hates their religion, supports the wars, was the former deputy chairman (1992–94) and chairman (1995–96) of the board of directors to the federal reserve bank, was involved in a corruption scandal at Aquila.
The OP is ridiculously misleading. He's nowhere close in the polls, has a lot of baggage that nobody has brought up because he's not a frontrunner. And your analysis is terrible. Paul fares better against obama than this guy. In fact, Paul probably has a better chance of getting elected than this guy (looking only at polls)
Flat tax is super regressive, easy target for a populist candidate (obama becoming increasingly populist)
Oh, and Bachmann won a straw poll. She's sure to win...........
His talking points are very good, but once things get deeper...
On October 02 2011 11:44 Froadac wrote: The OP is ridiculously misleading. He's nowhere close in the polls, has a lot of baggage that nobody has brought up because he's not a frontrunner. And your analysis is terrible. Paul fares better against obama than this guy. In fact, Paul probably has a better chance of getting elected than this guy (looking only at polls)
Flat tax is super regressive, easy target for a populist candidate (obama becoming increasingly populist)
Oh, and Bachmann won a straw poll. She's sure to win...........
His talking points are very good, but once things get deeper...
Actually look above I pretty much showed you 60% percent of the dirt on Cain. The other 40%, people probably won't believe it even with sources so no point showing it.
Maybe someone else finishes my post and posts the rest of it, with more sources than I have.
On October 02 2011 11:44 Froadac wrote: Flat tax is super regressive, easy target for a populist candidate (obama becoming increasingly populist)
A flat income tax is not regressive. It may not be progressive, but that does not make it regressive by default. A flat sales tax, on the other hand, would be regressive.
On October 02 2011 07:08 DannyJ wrote: Anyone who says he wouldnt allow muslims in his cabinet because one of em might be a terrorist doesnt have a good shot in a general election.
I have to agree. I never knew who Herman Cain was, but the first time I heard him say this crazy stuff in the debate, I immediately scratched him from my list of considerations.
The problem is, I've scratched them all of, except maybe Ron Paul. They say he's "unelectable," but still, I'd rather vote for someone like Paul... I mean Obama and Bush were both "electable," and look what we got... lol.
On October 02 2011 06:59 MisterFred wrote: While we're on the topic, does it seem to anyone else that Huntsman is running for vice president? He seems to be focused on keeping his name in the media and appearing more LIBERAL than any other presidential candidate. He was also known as a moderate in Utah. Just the sort of person that might be picked up by a conservative candidate looking to de-crazify the ticket after the primary.
I watched all those videos, though Im canadian and dont really have serious input here. I have to say that I 100% agree with his stance on muslims. He points out that europe has had an issue, I would love some people from the europe to coment(if theyve had some experiance with these things).
I have no idea what a 9 9 9 tax means to america, I just know the kinda tax we pay up here, and it works for me.
Id love to see ron paul get elected, he might be the only person who knows the true problem(banks/federal reserve). And the reason I care about any of this is that americas well being directly impacts my own/my country.
On October 02 2011 06:45 Letho wrote: So, I thought that I would make a thread discussing the next President of the United States.
For anyone who is not yet convinced that he will get the Conservative nomination:
I can't tell if you are being intentionally overzealous/optimistic about Herman Cain's chances because you want to spark discussion, or whether you just readily jump to conclusions based sweeping generalizations and a couple polls.
I don't know anything about Herman Cain, but your certainty (whether you end up being right or not) is either trolling or ridiculous.
On October 02 2011 12:04 worosei wrote: hmm 9-9-9, sounds like a bad terran build...
Yeah, Terran can barely afford what they need for the 1/1/1 and they have mules. How can you possibly afford something 9 times that without mules.
Yeah, I don't see him getting the nomination. If he gains momentum, then he'll be the new target at every debate and all of his flaws will be emphasized, as has happened with every candidate.
Also, what's with the attitude, OP? You couldn't just make a thread about him, you had to assert that he'll be the next president and then suggest that posts that highlight his less-attractive side are "dumb"
"And based upon the little knowledge that I have of the Muslim religion, you know, they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them," Cain said.
Later, Bachmann says being "involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle" amounts to "personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement." She also describes homosexuality as "sexual anarchy." She goes on to lament efforts by gay rights advocates to convince Americans that homosexuality is "just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders."
"Is it the Mitt Romney that was on the side of — against the Second Amendment before he was for the Second Amendment? Was it — was before — he was before the social programs from the standpoint of — he was for standing up for Roe v. Wade before he was against first — Roe v. Wade?”
On October 02 2011 06:45 Letho wrote: Paul is unelectable and not a conservative.
I don't see how you say this... Do you know what conservative means? He's probably the most conservative republican. Most Rep's are centrists, big government and big war supporters, and not conservative at all. Ron Paul wants less government, and to restore previous standards for laws regarding war, foreign policy and financial policy. If Cain supports these ideas than he is conservative too and that's great! Furthermore, you cite straw polls falling in favour of Cain but actually Paul won a great number of those polls too, and came in second frequently as well.
And yeah, i'm canadian so I can't vote, but I know what kind of neighbours i like to see in the south. It makes me sad that american politics gets so stagnant because of the 2party system, but this time around I think we're seeing some real independent ideas start to creep into the debates.. I'd love to see someone elected fix the american dollar, as its declining value vs our dollar really affects Canadian exports. I don't really see anyone but Ron Paul actually fixing that.
edit: ban all mosques? uh... ok. thats not politically conservative at all.
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