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On September 25 2011 01:40 Hekisui wrote:
Today at the newspaper stand I indeed saw headlines like 'Einstein was wrong', 'world shocking scientific discovery' and all kinds of other headlines. This while everyone in the field is very convinced this is one big blunder.
Media hype is stupid. Any physicist knows that while these are interesting findings that have to be looked at, there is no conclusive anything in that right now.
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On September 25 2011 01:40 Hekisui wrote:
At this point the software responsible for the GPS data is most suspect. Apparently the software used on Septentrio PolaRx2e wasn't at all written for the accuracy that is needed. This means the software was never bug tested for nanosecond accuracy. A programmer here can easily see how somewhere in the code it mangles up nanosecond accuracy.
Today at the newspaper stand I indeed saw headlines like 'Einstein was wrong', 'world shocking scientific discovery' and all kinds of other headlines. This while everyone in the field is very convinced this is one big blunder.
I expect headlines 'CERN scientists make embarrassing blunder' soon.
So we have headlines "Einstein wrong" and "Science has it all wrong" but next week "Scientists blunder". Yes, very good PR for physics. This is why normal people don't believe scientists even when they have rock solid consensus and politicians can ignore them.
I doubt that. If the researchers aren't public figures the public won't care they were mistaken and as such it won't be reported by general news sources. Unless it happens in a very short time span (a few days) I doubt you'd ever hear anything about it again in the main stream media. It's not even sure the mistake will be found if there is one.
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On September 25 2011 01:40 Hekisui wrote:
At this point the software responsible for the GPS data is most suspect. Apparently the software used on Septentrio PolaRx2e wasn't at all written for the accuracy that is needed. This means the software was never bug tested for nanosecond accuracy. A programmer here can easily see how somewhere in the code it mangles up nanosecond accuracy.
Product seems to advertised 20ns accuracy and they used several independent distance measurements...
https://www.navtechgps.com/Downloads/PolaRx2e.pdf
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Brooklyn Eagle
July 10, 1932
Exceed Velocity of Light
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.
Nikola Tesla
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On September 25 2011 05:51 Warlike Prince wrote:
Brooklyn Eagle
July 10, 1932
Exceed Velocity of Light
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.
Nikola Tesla
Nerd chills.
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On September 25 2011 05:51 Warlike Prince wrote:
Brooklyn Eagle
July 10, 1932
Exceed Velocity of Light
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.
Nikola Tesla
thats one pretty cool find :D
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On September 25 2011 05:51 Warlike Prince wrote:
Brooklyn Eagle
July 10, 1932
Exceed Velocity of Light
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.
Nikola Tesla
Pffft. Fanboy. 
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On September 25 2011 05:51 Warlike Prince wrote:
Brooklyn Eagle
July 10, 1932
Exceed Velocity of Light
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.
Nikola Tesla
DAAAAMMMMMMNNNN, thats one good find 
on a side note, xkcd sums up my feelings quite well:
![[image loading]](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/neutrinos.png)
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On September 25 2011 05:51 Warlike Prince wrote:
Brooklyn Eagle
July 10, 1932
Exceed Velocity of Light
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.
Nikola Tesla
Woah, Nikola Tesla vs Einstein again~
Wouldn't it be amazing if Tesla was able to deduct the nature of neutrons that modern scientists only discovered today using modern super high tech technology?
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On September 25 2011 05:51 Warlike Prince wrote:
Brooklyn Eagle
July 10, 1932
Exceed Velocity of Light
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.
Nikola Tesla
That's incredible. Was he actually talking about neutrons or neutrinos?
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On September 25 2011 09:30 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 05:51 Warlike Prince wrote:
Brooklyn Eagle
July 10, 1932
Exceed Velocity of Light
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.
Nikola Tesla That's incredible. Was he actually talking about neutrons or neutrinos?
I looked up the article(http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1932-07-10.htm) and he was talking about cosmic rays. And considering that he was using these 'cosmic rays' to power a device, I think it's very unlikely that he was using neutrinos.
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On September 25 2011 05:51 Warlike Prince wrote:
Brooklyn Eagle
July 10, 1932
Exceed Velocity of Light
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.
Nikola Tesla
This is completely irrelevant and to use this quote to apply to this situation only serves to mislead people--neutrinos hadn't even been experimentally discovered (1956) until after Tesla's death (1943). Tesla was talking about neutrons, which were experimentally discovered in 1932 by Chadwick.
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"Pauli originally named his proposed light particle a neutron. When James Chadwick discovered a much more massive nuclear particle in 1932 and also named it a neutron, this left the two particles with the same name. Enrico Fermi, who developed the theory of beta decay, coined the term neutrino in 1934 as a way to resolve the confusion. It is the Italian equivalent of "little neutral one"."
-wiki
A name like that also makes more sense coming from an italian rather than a croatian physicist...
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I really think this really needs to go into the OP, so much useful information.
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What's crazy is that only one and a half years ago, we didn't even know neutrinos had mass which would have made this discovery entirely redundant. CERN has done SO much for our understanding of physics, its ridiculous.
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On September 25 2011 09:59 Eishi_Ki wrote:
What's crazy is that only one and a half years ago, we didn't even know neutrinos had mass which would have made this discovery entirely redundant. CERN has done SO much for our understanding of physics, its ridiculous.
Really? I thought it was always theorized that neutrinos had an incredibly small mass, but not completely massless.
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On September 25 2011 10:02 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 09:59 Eishi_Ki wrote:
What's crazy is that only one and a half years ago, we didn't even know neutrinos had mass which would have made this discovery entirely redundant. CERN has done SO much for our understanding of physics, its ridiculous. Really? I thought it was always theorized that neutrinos had an incredibly small mass, but not completely massless.
I dont know shit about this, I'm just reading about it hah. Apparently a supernova observed in the 80s had the neutrinos arriving at Earth at the speed of light leading to assumptions that neutrinos were massless (apparently everything massless travels at c according to that bloke Einstein before he was abducted by the Soviets)
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I bet it was Bnet lagging shiet up.
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