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rusedeguerre
121 Posts
NYPD: government. LAPD: government. War on drugs: government. War on nations: government. Tax loopholes for the rich: government. Corporate subsidies: government.... I could go on and on, and yet the answer to every problem from these Occupy morons is always more government, and rich people are the problem. Fucking baffles my mind. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:43 rusedeguerre wrote: ^ NYPD: government. LAPD: government. War on drugs: government. War on nations: government. Tax loopholes for the rich: government. Corporate subsidies: government.... I could go on and on, and yet the answer to every problem from these Occupy morons is always more government, and rich people are the problem. Fucking baffles my mind. Sounds to me like you just like to accentuate the negative. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:43 rusedeguerre wrote: ^ NYPD: government. LAPD: government. Profit, promotions, favours, lack of oversight. War on drugs: government. profit, influence, big pharma, prison industry influencing gov't. War on nations: government. arms industry, oil industry, private security industry influencing gov't. Tax loopholes for the rich: government. Industry, or rather transnational finance pressuring gov't and playing gov'ts against each other to keep loopholes open and taxes low. Corporate subsidies: government.... pressure from corporations. I could go on and on, and yet the answer to every problem from these Occupy morons is always More public say in government as opposed to corporate say in government. -- Gov't should be accountable to the population at large, not to narrow segments of it. Right? Rather than rich people being the problem per se, it's a massive disparity in wealth and accompanying power that is the problem-- people with a disproportionately large amount of both make the rules. You make gov't smaller you create more of a power vacuum which is then filled with more corporate/private influence, rather than the public interest. Fucking baffles my mind. Makes two of us. | ||
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rusedeguerre
121 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Occupy Wall Street’s inner circle, a group known as Occupy the SEC, has filed a lawsuit in federal court that names, well, every federal regulator of Wall Street that currently serves. The list includes everyone from Ben Bernanke, chairman of the SEC’s board of governors, to Acting Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin, to Martin Gruenberg, chairman of the FDIC. The current chairperson of the SEC, Elisse Walter, is also included. Occupy the SEC brings to the attention of the court the fact that federal regulators have yet to enact the Volcker Rule, the part of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law that’s supposed to prohibit most types of proprietary trading. According to the lawsuit, the regulators of Wall Street were required to implement the Volcker Rule within nine months of the completion of a study by the Financial Stabilization Oversight Council, and that it has now been two years since that study was completed. Source | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:43 rusedeguerre wrote: ^ NYPD: government. LAPD: government. War on drugs: government. War on nations: government. Tax loopholes for the rich: government. Corporate subsidies: government.... I could go on and on, and yet the answer to every problem from these Occupy morons is always more government, and rich people are the problem. Fucking baffles my mind. What if the answer to "bad government" is not "less government" but "good government"? | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
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Foblos
United States426 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:54 caradoc wrote: Profit, promotions, favours, lack of oversight. profit, influence, big pharma, prison industry influencing gov't. arms industry, oil industry, private security industry influencing gov't. Industry, or rather transnational finance pressuring gov't and playing gov'ts against each other to keep loopholes open and taxes low. pressure from corporations. More public say in government as opposed to corporate say in government. -- Gov't should be accountable to the population at large, not to narrow segments of it. Right? Rather than rich people being the problem per se, it's a massive disparity in wealth and accompanying power that is the problem-- people with a disproportionately large amount of both make the rules. You make gov't smaller you create more of a power vacuum which is then filled with more corporate/private influence, rather than the public interest. Makes two of us. I would really like to see corporations (especially multinational ones) have a greatly diminished say in government. It seems to me like a lot of the ills the world is experiencing is resultant from a push for greed and the gov't catering to it | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On March 04 2013 09:04 Foblos wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2013 11:54 caradoc wrote: Profit, promotions, favours, lack of oversight. profit, influence, big pharma, prison industry influencing gov't. arms industry, oil industry, private security industry influencing gov't. Industry, or rather transnational finance pressuring gov't and playing gov'ts against each other to keep loopholes open and taxes low. pressure from corporations. More public say in government as opposed to corporate say in government. -- Gov't should be accountable to the population at large, not to narrow segments of it. Right? Rather than rich people being the problem per se, it's a massive disparity in wealth and accompanying power that is the problem-- people with a disproportionately large amount of both make the rules. You make gov't smaller you create more of a power vacuum which is then filled with more corporate/private influence, rather than the public interest. Makes two of us. I would really like to see corporations (especially multinational ones) have a greatly diminished say in government. It seems to me like a lot of the ills the world is experiencing is resultant from a push for greed and the gov't catering to it To quote Milton Friedman, you think Russia and China weren't and aren't run on greed? You think Venezuela isn't run on greed? You think Cuba isn't run on greed? Preferring to centralize greed in government yields shitty results; dispersing greed to the people gives you... the opportunity to be a pseudo-egalitarian on the internet, complaining about the corporations that made it possible for the proles like you to obtain the objects necessary to be pseudo-egalitarians on the internet. Or pseudo-egalitarians shitting on cop cars like Occupy. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:36 DeepElemBlues wrote: To quote Milton Friedman, you think Russia and China weren't and aren't run on greed? You think Venezuela isn't run on greed? You think Cuba isn't run on greed? Preferring to centralize greed in government yields shitty results; dispersing greed to the people gives you... the opportunity to be a pseudo-egalitarian on the internet, complaining about the corporations that made it possible for the proles like you to obtain the objects necessary to be pseudo-egalitarians on the internet. Or pseudo-egalitarians shitting on cop cars like Occupy. Wait....you're saying venezuela and china, and russia are run by "the people"? | ||
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rusedeguerre
121 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:49 ControlMonkey wrote: What if the answer to "bad government" is not "less government" but "good government"? What if it is a fundamental truth of this world that power corrupts? What if history and present day were littered with examples of unrestrained governments abusing their authority, as a warning to those of us still enjoying a modicum of freedom? | ||
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vividred
88 Posts
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Foblos
United States426 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:36 DeepElemBlues wrote: To quote Milton Friedman, you think Russia and China weren't and aren't run on greed? You think Venezuela isn't run on greed? You think Cuba isn't run on greed? Preferring to centralize greed in government yields shitty results; dispersing greed to the people gives you... the opportunity to be a pseudo-egalitarian on the internet, complaining about the corporations that made it possible for the proles like you to obtain the objects necessary to be pseudo-egalitarians on the internet. Or pseudo-egalitarians shitting on cop cars like Occupy. Because companies like Monsanto that force people in to buying their product while at the same time creating new fillers for processed food like Neotame which is exceedingly toxic is totally okay. Not to mention the fact that former CEOs are in the USDA and overlook these things. Plus companies like Monsanto spend billions of dollars lobbying the government for what they want while the average citizen only has the resources to send a letter and/or show up in person. It seems really fair to me too. | ||
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rusedeguerre
121 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14217 Posts
Its not even in America where monsanto is that evil its the rest of the world where they take over places outright buy the government and do whatever they want with no rules with entire nations worth of people. | ||
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rusedeguerre
121 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:47 Sermokala wrote: I don't know man. I'm probably the biggest supporter of corporations on this board and even I think monsanto is a really evil one thats gotten far out of control. Its not even in America where monsanto is that evil its the rest of the world where they take over places outright buy the government and do whatever they want with no rules with entire nations worth of people. It is still the government abusing the power.... I really will never understand why people blame business for government corruption. You blame the party that offers the bribe more than the one that takes it? | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:39 rusedeguerre wrote: What if it is a fundamental truth of this world that power corrupts? What if history and present day were littered with examples of unrestrained governments abusing their authority, as a warning to those of us still enjoying a modicum of freedom? If you give less power to the government, how does that guarantee that corporations won't simply abuse the vacuum of oversight and gain power in even more damaging ways? Its like the anarchists who think that government should be dismantled entirely. You're just inviting another power structure to take its place, except it won't be accountable to the public at all. At least when you have government, people can vote for change if things get bad enough. Also just because it has been corrupted doesn't guarantee that that will always happen no matter what changes we attempt! There are many regulations that could enforce increased transparency between government and corporations, limit the power of lobbyists, limit campaign financing so its more about the issues and less about how much cash you can garner. You're kind of just assuming that government is bad, but I'm not sure you really know anything about the alternative (how could you?), and neither do you really know about what can be done in terms of new laws, regulations, or even amendments to the constitution to make things better. For once I'm happy about what a branch of Occupy is doing. Its specific, its intelligent, and it might just be achievable. | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:39 rusedeguerre wrote: What if it is a fundamental truth of this world that power corrupts? What if history and present day were littered with examples of unrestrained governments abusing their authority, as a warning to those of us still enjoying a modicum of freedom? How is a corrupt corporation and better than a corrupt government? Government should be limited, that's true. Where do you propose to place these limits? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14217 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:53 rusedeguerre wrote: It is still the government abusing the power.... I really will never understand why people blame business for government corruption. You blame the party that offers the bribe more than the one that takes it? Its corporations suddenly waking up and realzieing that if they just gave half a shit they could take over the government and make their own rules up. but its not bribes that the officals are accepting. thats not how is starts. If a guy is already supporting you and you give him a million dollars so he'll win and his policies are supporting you is that a bribe? What if you ask him if he has half a dozen friends who also want to be powerful and be in the government and you go and fund all of those guys's campaigns so your friend now has friends in the government that are now your friends. Suddenly all these friends now need someone rich (you) to fund their next campaign and you do... just so as long as they support another one of the policies that you want. Then suddenly you can offer the democratic party a 10 million dollar loan for their convention that the democrats never intend to pay back but don't give a shit because you arn't a bank and its not a real loan its a bribe so that they'll appreciate it down the road when they slip in a loophole that gives you 100 million dollars. Money is power and power corupts. You don't blame the plant for growing in the dirt thats filled with toxins you blame the soil for radiating the plant. | ||
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Angry_Fetus
Canada444 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:16 Foblos wrote: Because companies like Monsanto that force people in to buying their product while at the same time creating new fillers for processed food like Neotame which is exceedingly toxic is totally okay. Not to mention the fact that former CEOs are in the USDA and overlook these things. Plus companies like Monsanto spend billions of dollars lobbying the government for what they want while the average citizen only has the resources to send a letter and/or show up in person. It seems really fair to me too. Mind citing a reliable source on that claim? A quick google search is only showing quack science blogs. | ||
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