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Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
September 03 2011 05:24 GMT
#241
The original scene lacked emotions. This one is better.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
September 03 2011 05:33 GMT
#242
I'm waiting for this guy to "go away," if you catch my drift.
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
September 03 2011 05:36 GMT
#243
im sure that if George Lucas always listened to his fans, star wars wouldn't be nearly as great as it is today. The man created the damn thing he should do with it what he pleases.
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e4e5nf3
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada599 Posts
September 03 2011 05:45 GMT
#244
On September 03 2011 06:32 Okiesmokie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 06:18 Shockk wrote:
Well that's the point. There is a previous version, and it's better. Vader killing Emperor while thinking in silence = audience can follow his train of thought, sympathize with him, a whole story is told with uttering a single word. Vader screaming "Nooooo" - stereotypical rage response, audience doesn't have to think for themselves, edited scene takes away from total experience.

We have seen SW before, and we've come to respect / like / love it the way it was (depending on level of fan-dom). Some things just don't need editing or "improvement".

The only difference is that now people who would not have been able to understand his train of thought before he threw the emperor over the bridge (ie: the younger generation, new viewers of Star Wars), are now able to see the anguish he was suffering. The end result is the same, except more people can enjoy it. I don't see why people complain about it.

I know in the past I have watched the movie with younger kids and have been asked why Vader did what he did.


In Luke's training scene in ESB where he goes inside the cave and fights a fake Vader, chops off his head and it is revealed that Luke actually cut his own head! This is one of the most symbolic scenes in the Star Wars franchise and as a kid I was perplexed at what I had just seen because at that age I took scenes literally and this scene just made no sense at the time.

Thank God Lucas hasn't destroyed the greatness of this scene by having someone explain what had just happened. I think back on it and it seems as though, like the Harry Potter movies, the series was going to get more mature and more serious as it went on (unfortunately it didn't).
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 06:33:28
September 03 2011 05:54 GMT
#245
On September 03 2011 14:24 Hokay wrote:
The original scene lacked emotions. This one is better.


No it didn't, you could feel the emotions like they were tangible. Now it's just dumbed down so they just tell you what he's feeling, rather than setting the scene so you feel it yourself.

You could feel how conflicted he was, watching his son being slowly and painfully killed in front of him, but at the same time feeling loyalty to the master he has served for so long, and to the dark side. It just kills his character to scream it though.
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Lenet
Profile Joined February 2011
United States38 Posts
September 03 2011 06:36 GMT
#246
Oh, wow, one line is being changed. Let's all hate George Lucas now! Seriously people...
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
September 03 2011 06:38 GMT
#247
On September 03 2011 14:54 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 14:24 Hokay wrote:
The original scene lacked emotions. This one is better.


No it didn't, you could feel the emotions like they were tangible. Now it's just dumbed down so they just tell you what he's feeling, rather than setting the scene so you feel it yourself.

You could feel how conflicted he was, watching his son being slowly and painfully killed in front of him, but at the same time feeling loyalty to the master he has served for so long, and to the dark side. It just kills his character to scream it though.

It was also a scene in which the guy was trying to convince the younger one to kill his own father... and then ends up torturing his own son in front of him... of course he was going betray his own master...
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
September 03 2011 06:43 GMT
#248
On September 03 2011 00:43 SlimeBagly wrote:
Haha, that's really goofy.

Still a minor offense compared to making Greedo shoot first.


Agreed.

After editing in Greedo shooting first, anything else Lucas does ceases to amaze me.
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Alvalanker
Profile Joined July 2011
United States253 Posts
September 03 2011 06:54 GMT
#249
That scene still gives me goosebumps....wow.
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pandaminion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States270 Posts
September 03 2011 07:24 GMT
#250
On September 03 2011 00:44 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
Show nested quote +
George Lucas apparently hates his fans.

This can't be news to you.


I kinda knew after seeing Jar Jar.
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 07:29:48
September 03 2011 07:29 GMT
#251
On September 03 2011 14:24 Hokay wrote:
The original scene lacked emotions. This one is better.


One of the hallmarks of good writing is that you don't spell out what's going on for the audience so they can a) put it together themselves and ideally b) they feel it more.

This change is a lame attempt to:

- make up for the debacle of episode 3s "Nooooo!" scene by,
- giving some continuity to the character's actions, exclamation, voice
- showing the internal conflict we already knew was there

It was more powerful when he suffered in silence and then acted. Now it's emo/pathetic as all fuck.

Sceptor87
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada266 Posts
September 03 2011 08:07 GMT
#252
I hope he has a heart attack, and it ends up being the most painful event ever experienced by a human being, because he fucking deserves it. This fat, triple chinned, useless, pathetic, piece of shit hack is hell bent on ruining my, and many other people's, childhood. I swear to any deity you might of might not believe in he is fucking possessed. It isn't natural for a human being to cause this much suffering. Even Adolf had his limits, what with him loving dogs. George Lucas is worse than Hitler.

Now if you'll all excuse me I'm going to go into the corner in a drunken stupor, curl up into the fetal position, and cry. Cry at the image of George Lucas fucking raping Darth Vader. Hold me. Please.

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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 03 2011 08:09 GMT
#253
This is just...terrible. Part of what made the scene great was Vader's silence. It's like when he throws the emperor off the ledge without saying a word it's almost surprising. I mean it's obvious Vader is going to find some redemption at some point in the movie, but he still has that very coldhearted demeanor. The action says enough.

Adding this in was unnecessary, isn't consistent with the character, and frankly he sounds retarded.
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typingit
Profile Joined November 2010
97 Posts
September 03 2011 08:13 GMT
#254
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Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
September 03 2011 08:14 GMT
#255
Off topic a bit, but I have never seen any of the star wars movies. Should I start from number 1 or from the old ones?
p0lyph0ny
Profile Joined July 2011
United States217 Posts
September 03 2011 08:15 GMT
#256
On September 03 2011 14:24 Hokay wrote:
The original scene lacked emotions. This one is better.

I hope this is a troll
W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 08:22:07
September 03 2011 08:18 GMT
#257
Lol didn't this happen before? The ending scene of episode 6, we see the ghosts of anakin, obi wan, and yoda saying hello to Luke. And apparently Lucas had Hayden Christensen photoshopped into the trio, instead of the darth vader anakin. LOL

edit: here is the original and re-made ending scene in one clip.

Hi
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
September 03 2011 08:39 GMT
#258
On September 03 2011 07:14 Romance_us wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 02:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 03 2011 02:50 aDd3z wrote:
thats a pretty bad change
but i like that yoda will be computer-generated in episode one now
but i dont like the old movies (4-6) anyway so i dont really care

Please watch that. At least the five first minutes.


One of the worst reviews I've ever seen in my life. You would actually use this as your basis for proving a point?

Thanks for sharing.

Well, I'll leave it with two options:

1- You didn't watch the whole review. You watched like, one minute. It's 70 minutes long. So, watch the whole thing, and if you still think it's a bad basis for proving my point, cross this first option and jump to second possibility.

2- You didn't understand the review.


Because it's the best, the most flawlessly devastating critic I have seen or read in my life. You just can't defend the prequels after watching it, because it proves in a very simple way that it's a movie with a story that makes no sense at all, with awful character design, and with no cinematographic creativity whatsoever, with no suspense, with no tension, and without any redeeming quality.
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rbx270j
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
September 03 2011 08:48 GMT
#259
On September 03 2011 17:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 07:14 Romance_us wrote:
On September 03 2011 02:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 03 2011 02:50 aDd3z wrote:
thats a pretty bad change
but i like that yoda will be computer-generated in episode one now
but i dont like the old movies (4-6) anyway so i dont really care

Please watch that. At least the five first minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI


One of the worst reviews I've ever seen in my life. You would actually use this as your basis for proving a point?

Thanks for sharing.

Well, I'll leave it with two options:

1- You didn't watch the whole review. You watched like, one minute. It's 70 minutes long. So, watch the whole thing, and if you still think it's a bad basis for proving my point, cross this first option and jump to second possibility.

2- You didn't understand the review.


Because it's the best, the most flawlessly devastating critic I have seen or read in my life. You just can't defend the prequels after watching it, because it proves in a very simple way that it's a movie with a story that makes no sense at all, with awful character design, and with no cinematographic creativity whatsoever, with no suspense, with no tension, and without any redeeming quality.


Yes, RLM's reviews of 1 & 2 are spot on.


And on the thread topic, if and when I have children, I expect to not expose them to Star Wars unless I can attain versions of this stuff without all the stuff added over a decade after release. :/
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 03 2011 08:56 GMT
#260
On September 03 2011 17:07 Sceptor87 wrote:
I hope he has a heart attack, and it ends up being the most painful event ever experienced by a human being, because he fucking deserves it. This fat, triple chinned, useless, pathetic, piece of shit hack is hell bent on ruining my, and many other people's, childhood. I swear to any deity you might of might not believe in he is fucking possessed. It isn't natural for a human being to cause this much suffering. Even Adolf had his limits, what with him loving dogs. George Lucas is worse than Hitler.

Now if you'll all excuse me I'm going to go into the corner in a drunken stupor, curl up into the fetal position, and cry. Cry at the image of George Lucas fucking raping Darth Vader. Hold me. Please.


This wasn't even slightly amusing, comedy is definitely not your strong point. In fact, its pretty saddening and pathetic =/
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