On September 03 2011 10:18 Moldwood wrote: As a DIE - HARD starwars fan i see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Lucas attempts to bring new life into his films AGAIN and people just complain. Sure, it was dumb as SHIT when vader yelled 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' at the end of Revenge of the Sith but what the hell man?? you have already experienced return of the jedi a thousand times in its perfect form why complain? This is just Lucas trying to squeeze a little more cash out of his films and, if people are going to buy it (WHICH THEY WILL) then more power to him. Anyone and everyone bitching about this A) has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa(to the 10th power)y too much time on their hands. and B) can just stfu to be quite frank.
Your comment took just as much time as the comments complaining, so that's dumb.
He's not bringing new life anyway, he's rewriting events which had already occurred in the Star Wars universe. If you consider the films to be 'factual' timelines of the Star Wars story then changing something post-release is like rewriting history. There are two scenes, one with Darth Vader saying nothing and one with Darth Vader saying 'No!", but which scene actually occurred in this story? It might seem minor to you, but to an actual fan it completely breaks the illusion of Star Wars being a timeline of actual events. Yes, it's fictional, but a good fiction becomes 'real' in the viewer/reader's mind. Retroactively modifying events ruins that 'realness'.
If George Lucas is unhappy with his movies he should attempt to create another movie rather than mucking round with ones he has already done.
Wtf? You can't edit The Return of the Jedi. It's a classic.I'm not buying that version. I never want to watch that version. George Lucas, you're a fucking movie director and you think that Vader saying, "Noooooo!" in the cheesiest way possible, was so important it absolutely had be added to RTOJ? Fucking mental.
On September 03 2011 10:18 Moldwood wrote: As a DIE - HARD starwars fan i see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Lucas attempts to bring new life into his films AGAIN and people just complain. Sure, it was dumb as SHIT when vader yelled 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' at the end of Revenge of the Sith but what the hell man?? you have already experienced return of the jedi a thousand times in its perfect form why complain? This is just Lucas trying to squeeze a little more cash out of his films and, if people are going to buy it (WHICH THEY WILL) then more power to him. Anyone and everyone bitching about this A) has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa(to the 10th power)y too much time on their hands. and B) can just stfu to be quite frank.
Your comment took just as much time as the comments complaining, so that's dumb.
He's not bringing new life anyway, he's rewriting events which had already occurred in the Star Wars universe. If you consider the films to be 'factual' timelines of the Star Wars story then changing something post-release is like rewriting history. There are two scenes, one with Darth Vader saying nothing and one with Darth Vader saying 'No!", but which scene actually occurred in this story? It might seem minor to you, but to an actual fan it completely breaks the illusion of Star Wars being a timeline of actual events. Yes, it's fictional, but a good fiction becomes 'real' in the viewer/reader's mind. Retroactively modifying events ruins that 'realness'.
If George Lucas is unhappy with his movies he should attempt to create another movie rather than mucking round with ones he has already done.
Well honestly i agree with everything you have to say here besides one notion. This minor change makes the story seem less 'Real' to the true fiction fans? Well first off, its fiction............................................. but second off, if I was completely immersed in and satisfied with the original versions i would continue to enjoy them -- and NEVER buy or view these new blu rays. Because you have the OPTION of doing so. Meanwhile, George Lucas has the option of making more money. have.... have you guys read anything about Lucas? Not only is he going to select this option for the rest of his life, i am quite certain that star wars will still be MILKED of every penny for decades to come, after he dies.
Look, The Phantom Menace, at its core, absolutely sucked. And after reading the reviews any reasonable-minded fan could say "HEY -- WHOA -- looks like this series has spun way off track. I DONT THINK I WILL SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF THE SERIES by buying tickets, DVDs, blu rays, what have you". it is that simple. no reason to make a thread entitled "George Lucas HATES his fans" which frankly i think is silly. i clicked this thread expecting something MORE atrocious than Jar-Jar Binks.
On September 03 2011 09:04 Ballack wrote: The joke is on you people for buying all these releases, just stick to the DVD/VHS or smth. Star Wars in HD doesn't make it better.
I just wanted to add that this thread is pure gold. Ive already said I digitized my original vhs trilogy but rarely to I get the enjoyment from them that I have from the responses here. He is changing a classic that did well and doing it to make more money because he frankly cant create anything new. As the review from redlettermedia said perfectly "he is a business man first and a film-maker second and I wont say he is a bad business man." Where I feel he lost his soul is purely conjecture. Will I personally buy the new version? Oh hell naw. Will I let it effect my life beyond the minor anecdote with a co-worker? Nope. Personally I would say find a copy of the original and enjoy it, thats just personal preference though. I never felt star wars had anything to do with lucas, he was a (very) minor idea man with business acumen that hit the timing jackpot.
George Lucas has been a money-hungry failure of a director/writer for many many years now. In fact, considering there was strong input on all three Star Wars films by actors/others, and both Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were done by other directors, one could even claim that his only real home brewed success was Star Wars: A New Hope.
Sickening, really. But then again, Star Wars has been being ruined for many years now. What else is new?
On September 03 2011 09:36 Node wrote: The review really does make some good points -- I've seen it in its entirety, and while the reviewer does get a bit over-indulgent in his "creepy" persona, he's really insightful at some parts.
Watch this part of the review from 6:00 to the end. It perfectly sums up everything that's changed for the worse about Star Wars since the originals were finished.
That's what bothered me so much about the reviews (I spoilered the youtube part to save space). He could have said everything in 10-20 minutes covering all three movies, and is milking Star Wars' fame in his own way by spending so much time with sarcasm, beating points to death, and the "creepy persona." To a certain extent, I agreed with most of his sincere points. Also there is truth to the thought that he brought to light a lot of the murky feelings many many people may have had about the prequels but couldn't put into words. But there is a certain extent to which you can fault find with anything and make it look worse than it actually was.
Regarding the "noooooo," I shall reiterate that Lucas needs to listen to Barber's Adagio, and learn the power of silence. The "noooooo" itself isn't really that bad, but what I remember about that scene is looking at that mask, that "face," and seeing, even if only imagining the change, the decision going on in that mind. And then I actually shed tears when he does it. I don't need the distraction of an inferior version, and it's the last thing I'd ever want to share with my kids or friends when I simply have something better, the original.
On September 03 2011 09:36 Node wrote: The review really does make some good points -- I've seen it in its entirety, and while the reviewer does get a bit over-indulgent in his "creepy" persona, he's really insightful at some parts.
Watch this part of the review from 6:00 to the end. It perfectly sums up everything that's changed for the worse about Star Wars since the originals were finished.
That's what bothered me so much about the reviews (I spoilered the youtube part to save space). He could have said everything in 10-20 minutes covering all three movies, and is milking Star Wars' fame in his own way by spending so much time with sarcasm, beating points to death, and the "creepy persona." To a certain extent, I agreed with most of his sincere points. Also there is truth to the thought that he brought to light a lot of the murky feelings many many people may have had about the prequels but couldn't put into words. But there is a certain extent to which you can fault find with anything and make it look worse than it actually was.
Regarding the "noooooo," I shall reiterate that Lucas needs to listen to Barber's Adagio, and learn the power of silence. The "noooooo" itself isn't really that bad, but what I remember about that scene is looking at that mask, that "face," and seeing, even if only imagining the change, the decision going on in that mind. And then I actually shed tears when he does it. I don't need the distraction of an inferior version, and it's the last thing I'd ever want to share with my kids or friends when I simply have something better, the original.
Guess you didnt watch much beyond the first few youtubes. Alot more is changed than just nooo I wont spoiler it for you but lets just say it gets pretty bad. I agree the weird disassociative scenes threw me at first until I realized he was making a point with the little mini vids. Points that directly related to what he had just been talking about. He was stripping away the "lucas" and the money to show how shallow and silly it all was. Maybe you got that and Im just being critical or maybe you didnt and thought they were weird segways into nothing. Either way I suggest watching the entirety of the reviews of the first 3 films. Only entertainment will ensue.
On September 03 2011 10:21 Moldwood wrote: i see so many worthless complaints on this thread that i dont even know where to begin ^ ^ trust me -- i tried!
"These changes are almost as bad as Han not shooting first or the changes in JEDI where when Vader took off his helmet he was no longer the old guy but that pretty boy Hayden Christianson.It's so wrong."
Wait -- when vader took off his helmet and he WAS HAYDEN CHRISTIANSEN?! Did that even HAPPEN?! at ANY point?! link to it or it did not happen first off. i recall his (obviously meant to be portrayed as his younger self) holographic figure to be Hayden in the special edition, but don't come in here and pretend that they fucked up the "Luke, you were right about me" scene when they DID NOT. because right there you shat on a scene that, to my knowledge, has still remained untouched. And its SO wrong.
yes because that change was sooooo popular amongst star wars fans you are in a tiny minority i assure you
Ugggggggghhhhh. So much more epic when Vader just silently flipped a table the Emperor into oblivion. Spoke much more to me than anything he could possibly have said.
On September 03 2011 10:18 Moldwood wrote: As a DIE - HARD starwars fan i see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Lucas attempts to bring new life into his films AGAIN and people just complain. Sure, it was dumb as SHIT when vader yelled 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' at the end of Revenge of the Sith but what the hell man?? you have already experienced return of the jedi a thousand times in its perfect form why complain? This is just Lucas trying to squeeze a little more cash out of his films and, if people are going to buy it (WHICH THEY WILL) then more power to him. Anyone and everyone bitching about this A) has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa(to the 10th power)y too much time on their hands. and B) can just stfu to be quite frank.
Your comment took just as much time as the comments complaining, so that's dumb.
He's not bringing new life anyway, he's rewriting events which had already occurred in the Star Wars universe. If you consider the films to be 'factual' timelines of the Star Wars story then changing something post-release is like rewriting history. There are two scenes, one with Darth Vader saying nothing and one with Darth Vader saying 'No!", but which scene actually occurred in this story? It might seem minor to you, but to an actual fan it completely breaks the illusion of Star Wars being a timeline of actual events. Yes, it's fictional, but a good fiction becomes 'real' in the viewer/reader's mind. Retroactively modifying events ruins that 'realness'.
If George Lucas is unhappy with his movies he should attempt to create another movie rather than mucking round with ones he has already done.
Well honestly i agree with everything you have to say here besides one notion. This minor change makes the story seem less 'Real' to the true fiction fans? Well first off, its fiction............................................. but second off, if I was completely immersed in and satisfied with the original versions i would continue to enjoy them -- and NEVER buy or view these new blu rays. Because you have the OPTION of doing so. Meanwhile, George Lucas has the option of making more money. have.... have you guys read anything about Lucas? Not only is he going to select this option for the rest of his life, i am quite certain that star wars will still be MILKED of every penny for decades to come, after he dies.
Look, The Phantom Menace, at its core, absolutely sucked. And after reading the reviews any reasonable-minded fan could say "HEY -- WHOA -- looks like this series has spun way off track. I DONT THINK I WILL SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF THE SERIES by buying tickets, DVDs, blu rays, what have you". it is that simple. no reason to make a thread entitled "George Lucas HATES his fans" which frankly i think is silly. i clicked this thread expecting something MORE atrocious than Jar-Jar Binks.
You missed the point. Yes, it's fiction, but like I said in my first post, a good fictional story will feel 'real' to the audience - as if it hasn't just been made up by some guy. It's not about whether or not you buy the bluray version - the fact that Lucas has made a change (whether or not you experience it in viewing) is what ruins the illusion. It sets a precedent that anything in the movies is open to change if it could be 'better'.
Imagine somebody told you an amazing story about whatever-the-fuck, and right as they finish telling it they say "On second thought, that isn't how the story went. It was more like this...". At that point you're thinking "Well if it didn't happen that way then why did you say it?". That's what George Lucas is doing. Not in the biggest way, and in fact I hardly care at all (I'm only posting to explain why some people think it's a big deal), but like I said, it's the precedent that it sets ("I'm George Lucas and I can do what I want") that's insulting to the fans.
Lucas is not a real human, hes an evil alien. The fact that money corrups is no news, but this is just too much. Star Wars is classic, a part of my chilhood, and something i love. This maniac is a money machine, more than he is a real person - a human would never to this kind of crap... again....
On September 03 2011 02:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 03 2011 02:50 aDd3z wrote: thats a pretty bad change but i like that yoda will be computer-generated in episode one now but i dont like the old movies (4-6) anyway so i dont really care
Please watch that. At least the five first minutes.
One of the worst reviews I've ever seen in my life. You would actually use this as your basis for proving a point?
Thanks for sharing.
Seriously?
Man, 'Plinkett's' reviews of all three Star Wars prequels are probably some of the best film reviews I've ever seen. Sure, sometimes the humour seems a bit contrived but holy christ, the people behind those reviews know film inside and out. Anyone who has little knowledge of film and what makes film good can learn a tonne from those reviews.
Never mind the fact that they take what is a boring subject to many and put it in a far more entertaining format than what we'd usually get to see in a review.
Red Letter Media have their shit down with those reviews, and yes, I'd use a lot of the things mentioned in those reviews to prove a point. They actually know what they're talking about.
EPT
oh and did anyone hear the new scream obiwan uses against the sand people? sounds so random....
