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On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all...
That's why you shouldn't vote for a GOP candidate in the general election (unless it's Paul, but it won't be Paul).
Edit: He was booed at the Arizona debate for speaking against war while the other three clowns got applause for supporting war.
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On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all...
It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block).
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On March 14 2012 09:32 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... That's why you shouldn't vote for a GOP candidate in the general election (unless it's Paul, but it won't be Paul). Edit: He was booed at the Arizona debate for speaking against war while the other three clowns got applause for supporting war.
You'd be surprised how malleable politicians principles become once they reach office. I don't doubt that the Obama administration would send us to war if the time came. Try to think of the president as a public relations figure-head for the people to focus on, instead of some singular decision maker.
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On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block).
That's pretty sickening. Bombing another country to shore up your own local support. Holy shit what has the world come to. I mean people are so jaded about politicians but if they persuaded by this kind of crap you can't really blame the politicians can you?
I try my best not to become a cynic but reality really bites.
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On March 14 2012 09:42 liberal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:32 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... That's why you shouldn't vote for a GOP candidate in the general election (unless it's Paul, but it won't be Paul). Edit: He was booed at the Arizona debate for speaking against war while the other three clowns got applause for supporting war. You'd be surprised how malleable politicians principles become once they reach office. I don't doubt that the Obama administration would send us to war if the time came. Try to think of the president as a public relations figure-head for the people to focus on, instead of some singular decision maker.
I would go with that, except he surely had his big boy pants on in time to pick his cabinet appointments, which were less than flattering. Might as well been McCain's list
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On March 14 2012 09:56 BioNova wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:42 liberal wrote:On March 14 2012 09:32 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... That's why you shouldn't vote for a GOP candidate in the general election (unless it's Paul, but it won't be Paul). Edit: He was booed at the Arizona debate for speaking against war while the other three clowns got applause for supporting war. You'd be surprised how malleable politicians principles become once they reach office. I don't doubt that the Obama administration would send us to war if the time came. Try to think of the president as a public relations figure-head for the people to focus on, instead of some singular decision maker. I would go with that, except he surely had his big boy pants on in time to pick his cabinet appointments, which were less than flattering. Might as well been McCain's list
I don't see Palin in cabinet, so no, not quite the same but nice try.
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On March 14 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block). That's pretty sickening. Bombing another country to shore up your own local support. Holy shit what has the world come to. I mean people are so jaded about politicians but if they persuaded by this kind of crap you can't really blame the politicians can you? I try my best not to become a cynic but reality really bites.
Its not true.
Obama has not lost support disproportionally among jewish americans (gallup), and most of them live in uncompetitive states in the general anyhow (NY, Mass, Cali). Next to that, to my knowledge the jewish american community is essentially split on bombing Iran, there's no actual broad support for bombing Iran (ignoring AIPAC which has very little to do with the actual jewish community). The issue is just as divisive within the US population as a whole as it is within the jewish american community (something like 52ish percent in the american population as a whole, 54ish in the jewish)
(Quite the useless stereotype you have there)
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On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block).
But that's just my point. Why do the others want to go to war as well? I thought the War in Iraq and Afghanistan has become unpopular among liberals and conservatives.
And I know it's a rather irrelevant point but I simply do not see how bombing Iran protects Israel in any way realistically. If anything I think it would drum up the anti-Jewish forces in the area. I dunno, I'm Jewish and I'm with the sane people who think war with Iran is crazy at this point in time. Hell, I'm pretty sure we can leave Iran to itself and we could eventually just "pull a Libya" with all the pro-American sentiment there is in that country.
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On March 14 2012 09:57 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:56 BioNova wrote:On March 14 2012 09:42 liberal wrote:On March 14 2012 09:32 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... That's why you shouldn't vote for a GOP candidate in the general election (unless it's Paul, but it won't be Paul). Edit: He was booed at the Arizona debate for speaking against war while the other three clowns got applause for supporting war. You'd be surprised how malleable politicians principles become once they reach office. I don't doubt that the Obama administration would send us to war if the time came. Try to think of the president as a public relations figure-head for the people to focus on, instead of some singular decision maker. I would go with that, except he surely had his big boy pants on in time to pick his cabinet appointments, which were less than flattering. Might as well been McCain's list I don't see Palin in cabinet, so no, not quite the same but nice try.
Just frequent your favorite search engine, type in Bush Holdovers, and Obama, and enjoy. If I were a Democrat, which I am not, I would not have been please with Geitner, Gates, Holder, Mullen and on.
Who would Santorum pick? Yikes!
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On March 14 2012 10:04 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote:On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block). That's pretty sickening. Bombing another country to shore up your own local support. Holy shit what has the world come to. I mean people are so jaded about politicians but if they persuaded by this kind of crap you can't really blame the politicians can you? I try my best not to become a cynic but reality really bites. Its not true. Obama has not lost support disproportionally among jewish americans ( gallup), and most of them live in uncompetitive states in the general anyhow (NY, Mass, Cali). Next to that, to my knowledge the jewish american community is essentially split on bombing Iran, there's no actual broad support for bombing Iran (ignoring AIPAC which has very little to do with the actual jewish community). The issue is just as divisive within the US population as a whole as it is within the jewish american community (something like 52ish percent in the american population as a whole, 54ish in the jewish) (Quite the useless stereotype you have there)
How can you say that Obama has not lost support among Jewish Americans when that poll that you cited shows that he has lost 30 fucking points? In the past, Jewish Americans have voted for democrats almost as reliably as the African American population.
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On March 14 2012 10:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 10:04 Derez wrote:On March 14 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote:On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block). That's pretty sickening. Bombing another country to shore up your own local support. Holy shit what has the world come to. I mean people are so jaded about politicians but if they persuaded by this kind of crap you can't really blame the politicians can you? I try my best not to become a cynic but reality really bites. Its not true. Obama has not lost support disproportionally among jewish americans ( gallup), and most of them live in uncompetitive states in the general anyhow (NY, Mass, Cali). Next to that, to my knowledge the jewish american community is essentially split on bombing Iran, there's no actual broad support for bombing Iran (ignoring AIPAC which has very little to do with the actual jewish community). The issue is just as divisive within the US population as a whole as it is within the jewish american community (something like 52ish percent in the american population as a whole, 54ish in the jewish) (Quite the useless stereotype you have there) How can you say that Obama has not lost support among Jewish Americans when that poll that you cited shows that he has lost 30 fucking points? In the past, Jewish Americans have voted for democrats almost as reliably as the African American population.
Disproportionally was the keyword in that sentence.
And really the approval rating doesn't mean they would vote republican considering the options. They'd have to approve of Romney more than Obama.
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On March 14 2012 10:14 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 10:12 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 10:04 Derez wrote:On March 14 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote:On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block). That's pretty sickening. Bombing another country to shore up your own local support. Holy shit what has the world come to. I mean people are so jaded about politicians but if they persuaded by this kind of crap you can't really blame the politicians can you? I try my best not to become a cynic but reality really bites. Its not true. Obama has not lost support disproportionally among jewish americans ( gallup), and most of them live in uncompetitive states in the general anyhow (NY, Mass, Cali). Next to that, to my knowledge the jewish american community is essentially split on bombing Iran, there's no actual broad support for bombing Iran (ignoring AIPAC which has very little to do with the actual jewish community). The issue is just as divisive within the US population as a whole as it is within the jewish american community (something like 52ish percent in the american population as a whole, 54ish in the jewish) (Quite the useless stereotype you have there) How can you say that Obama has not lost support among Jewish Americans when that poll that you cited shows that he has lost 30 fucking points? In the past, Jewish Americans have voted for democrats almost as reliably as the African American population. Disproportionally was the keyword in that sentence. And really the approval rating doesn't mean they would vote republican considering the options.
This kind of willful denial is so amusing. Ignore 2010. Ignore all the special elections where democrats lost when they should have won. It's different in 2012. Just wait.
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On March 14 2012 10:08 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block). But that's just my point. Why do the others want to go to war as well? I thought the War in Iraq and Afghanistan has become unpopular among liberals and conservatives. And I know it's a rather irrelevant point but I simply do not see how bombing Iran protects Israel in any way realistically. If anything I think it would drum up the anti-Jewish forces in the area.
It just depends on who you're bombing. Honestly this sounds a lot like the lead up to Iraq. There is some reason to go to war (who cares if it is true). Doesn't matter if it makes sense it must just sound scary. Then you can ignore everything else that has gone to shit and scream about how awesome America is and how brave and proud you are to be president of a country that defends its interests. Then you bomb the shit out of someone and everyone claps in awe and the next guy has to clean up after you. Of course he can't sort everything out in one go, so you bleat about he is a failure and a terrible president. Then when the time comes to put up or shut up, you go to war again to avoid having to sort anything out.
It makes me gag. I don't see how Republicans can bitch and whine about how much debt there is and still advocate for a war.
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On March 14 2012 10:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 10:14 DoubleReed wrote:On March 14 2012 10:12 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 10:04 Derez wrote:On March 14 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote:On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block). That's pretty sickening. Bombing another country to shore up your own local support. Holy shit what has the world come to. I mean people are so jaded about politicians but if they persuaded by this kind of crap you can't really blame the politicians can you? I try my best not to become a cynic but reality really bites. Its not true. Obama has not lost support disproportionally among jewish americans ( gallup), and most of them live in uncompetitive states in the general anyhow (NY, Mass, Cali). Next to that, to my knowledge the jewish american community is essentially split on bombing Iran, there's no actual broad support for bombing Iran (ignoring AIPAC which has very little to do with the actual jewish community). The issue is just as divisive within the US population as a whole as it is within the jewish american community (something like 52ish percent in the american population as a whole, 54ish in the jewish) (Quite the useless stereotype you have there) How can you say that Obama has not lost support among Jewish Americans when that poll that you cited shows that he has lost 30 fucking points? In the past, Jewish Americans have voted for democrats almost as reliably as the African American population. Disproportionally was the keyword in that sentence. And really the approval rating doesn't mean they would vote republican considering the options. This kind of willful denial is so amusing. Ignore 2010. Ignore all the special elections where democrats lost when they should have won. It's different in 2012. Just wait.
I dunno. Are Jews really that influential in these elections? I mean I guess they are in terms of money donations because of all the rich guys, but are they really that important a focus group? Although they vote democrat I'm pretty sure many Jewish Americans are pretty damn fiscally conservative, so I'm not terribly surprised on that (as there are plenty of fiscally conservative democrats).
And that's not really denial. It's just saying that everyone's lost favor with Obama, not Jews in particular.
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On March 14 2012 10:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 10:14 DoubleReed wrote:On March 14 2012 10:12 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 10:04 Derez wrote:On March 14 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote:On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block). That's pretty sickening. Bombing another country to shore up your own local support. Holy shit what has the world come to. I mean people are so jaded about politicians but if they persuaded by this kind of crap you can't really blame the politicians can you? I try my best not to become a cynic but reality really bites. Its not true. Obama has not lost support disproportionally among jewish americans ( gallup), and most of them live in uncompetitive states in the general anyhow (NY, Mass, Cali). Next to that, to my knowledge the jewish american community is essentially split on bombing Iran, there's no actual broad support for bombing Iran (ignoring AIPAC which has very little to do with the actual jewish community). The issue is just as divisive within the US population as a whole as it is within the jewish american community (something like 52ish percent in the american population as a whole, 54ish in the jewish) (Quite the useless stereotype you have there) How can you say that Obama has not lost support among Jewish Americans when that poll that you cited shows that he has lost 30 fucking points? In the past, Jewish Americans have voted for democrats almost as reliably as the African American population. Disproportionally was the keyword in that sentence. And really the approval rating doesn't mean they would vote republican considering the options. This kind of willful denial is so amusing. Ignore 2010. Ignore all the special elections where democrats lost when they should have won. It's different in 2012. Just wait.
I honestly don't know how to argue with nostradamus-like predictions of the future. Show me a poll that has a republican candidate even near Obama in a state with a significant jewish american population and you might have a point.
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Btw. a war with Iran is highly unrealistic. What is possible (or discussed at least) on the other hand is a large and coordinated airstrike on their nuclear enrichment facilities etc. (see foreign affairs article). Basically destroy their nuclear plans for the next ten to fifteen year, suffer (and minimize) retaliation, suffer the hi to diplomatic relations with china, russia etc. and move on...
The U.S. will 100% NOT invade Iran or whatever...
edit: why bother with the election btw.? Obama will be there until 2016 anyway (say hi to the economy)...
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On March 14 2012 10:32 Szordrin wrote:
Btw. a war with Iran is highly unrealistic. What is possible (or discussed at least) on the other hand is a large and coordinated airstrike on their nuclear enrichment facilities etc. (see foreign affairs article). Basically destroy their nuclear plans for the next ten to fifteen year, suffer (and minimize) retaliation, suffer the hi to diplomatic relations with china, russia etc. and move on...
The U.S. will 100% NOT invade Iran or whatever...
edit: why bother with the election btw.? Obama will be there until 2016 anyway (say hi to the economy)...
See things are easy to predict when they go according to plan. I mean if Israel and the US bombed Iran they could legitimately retaliate. Who knows what their response would be? Most certainly blocking the straight would their first action. Whether they actually attack Israel is a completely different question. I love how the Republicans are upping the "war" rhetoric and using it to protect Israel. If anything it makes it worse because it backs Iran into a corner. They have to respond in some way one of which is threatening to block the strait. This drives up oil prices which somehow reflects badly on Obama.
You show a lot of faith in the electorate to just straight up vote for Obama again. Remember just a year ago he was all but dead and buried. There is a lot of resentment around and it not impossible for him to lose. A high oil price induced recession would certainly seal the deal.
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Santorum currently has a comfortable lead in both Alabama and Mississippi.
GAME ON!
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On March 14 2012 10:31 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 10:14 DoubleReed wrote:On March 14 2012 10:12 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 10:04 Derez wrote:On March 14 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote:On March 14 2012 09:33 xDaunt wrote:On March 14 2012 09:14 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't get it. Do we want another war? We just got out of Iraq, and I thought that was a massively popular move. Why is the American populace ready to go to war again? Shouldn't they be booing the war-hungry rhetoric???
Man, I don't understand politics at all... It has everything to do with Obama's appeal to the American electorate. The vast majority of the people who do not support bombing Iran are going to vote for Obama anyway, regardless of what he does. However, by bombing Iran, Obama will cement his position among many independents and groups from whom he has lost support (re: Jews.... just look at what happened in Weiner's district to see how badly democrats are doing among that voting block). That's pretty sickening. Bombing another country to shore up your own local support. Holy shit what has the world come to. I mean people are so jaded about politicians but if they persuaded by this kind of crap you can't really blame the politicians can you? I try my best not to become a cynic but reality really bites. Its not true. Obama has not lost support disproportionally among jewish americans ( gallup), and most of them live in uncompetitive states in the general anyhow (NY, Mass, Cali). Next to that, to my knowledge the jewish american community is essentially split on bombing Iran, there's no actual broad support for bombing Iran (ignoring AIPAC which has very little to do with the actual jewish community). The issue is just as divisive within the US population as a whole as it is within the jewish american community (something like 52ish percent in the american population as a whole, 54ish in the jewish) (Quite the useless stereotype you have there) How can you say that Obama has not lost support among Jewish Americans when that poll that you cited shows that he has lost 30 fucking points? In the past, Jewish Americans have voted for democrats almost as reliably as the African American population. Disproportionally was the keyword in that sentence. And really the approval rating doesn't mean they would vote republican considering the options. This kind of willful denial is so amusing. Ignore 2010. Ignore all the special elections where democrats lost when they should have won. It's different in 2012. Just wait. I honestly don't know how to argue with nostradamus-like predictions of the future. Show me a poll that has a republican candidate even near Obama in a state with a significant jewish american population and you might have a point.
It's way too early to pay much attention to polls. That said, pay attention to Florida this fall.
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On March 14 2012 10:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Santorum currently has a comfortable lead in both Alabama and Mississippi.
GAME ON!
Alabama has been called but Mississippi isnt quite over yet.
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