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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
January 22 2012 12:33 GMT
#6841
One of the problems with the early primary states is that they are early primary states and they have their traditional roles. Often times voters (both Democratic and Republican) take themselves too seriously and will often times defy what conventional wisdom seems to say, just to assert their role in the process. New Hampshire and South Carolina as others have already noted aren't states that represent much of the US as a whole, and so they don't really give much indication of the country, but rather how they decided to take on their role in terms of leading their party and decided a candidate for President.
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jdsowa
Profile Joined March 2011
405 Posts
January 22 2012 12:46 GMT
#6842
The best presidential candidates are charismatic and can speak naturally on the level of the average American. Reagan, Clinton, Obama all had that.

Mitt is more like Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, etc. He's a northeastern kind of guy, who seems presidential, but can't make a personal connection with voters. And at least with John Kerry, liberals knew they could trust him to represent their views. The majority of conservatives aren't sure that Mitt isn't the "progressive with moderate views" that he described himself as being in 2002.

Newt, on the other hand, can make that personal connection. He speaks with conviction. Voters are willing to look past his character issues because the alternative--Romney--is so incredibly uninspiring. This has nothing to do with religion.

All of that said, I don't think he'll beat Obama. And neither would Romney. But at least the conservatives are putting a guy out there that speaks for them, and that's admirable (even if you think he's a complete lunatic).
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 22 2012 21:24 GMT
#6843
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
January 22 2012 21:57 GMT
#6844
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 22 2012 21:58 GMT
#6845
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
January 22 2012 22:18 GMT
#6846
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 22 2012 22:23 GMT
#6847
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.



I'm not going to pretend to know how the situation is in Denmark, but in the US we have ALOT of monopolies. So much so that the government has been physically forced to break up companies in the past.
Removing minimum wage would these companies such power, and would hurt lower income families even more
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 22:28:56
January 22 2012 22:28 GMT
#6848
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.


Right, because the history of labor-capital relations in the United States doesn't disprove you completely.

Oh wait, it does.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
January 22 2012 22:30 GMT
#6849
On January 23 2012 07:28 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.


Right, because the history of labor-capital relations in the United States doesn't disprove you completely.

Oh wait, it does.


No it doesn't. OF course wages were lower back then. But arguing through empirics is stupid, as results can be manipulated too easily.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
January 22 2012 22:31 GMT
#6850
On January 23 2012 07:23 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.



I'm not going to pretend to know how the situation is in Denmark, but in the US we have ALOT of monopolies. So much so that the government has been physically forced to break up companies in the past.
Removing minimum wage would these companies such power, and would hurt lower income families even more


They are monopolies because they are more efficient as monopolies. Yet if they become too inefficient and gives too low wages, new companies can challenge them.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 22 2012 22:34 GMT
#6851
On January 23 2012 07:31 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:23 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.



I'm not going to pretend to know how the situation is in Denmark, but in the US we have ALOT of monopolies. So much so that the government has been physically forced to break up companies in the past.
Removing minimum wage would these companies such power, and would hurt lower income families even more


They are monopolies because they are more efficient as monopolies. Yet if they become too inefficient and gives too low wages, new companies can challenge them.



How?
Sure a new company can say hey I'll pay my employees X+5 dollars per hour compared to WalMcPetroleum over there, but there is no way he can afford to. A monopoly can afford to literally have it's prices so freaking low (because they control nearly all of the product) that no other company will be able to sell at the same level and thus they won't have the ability to outpay the wages of WalMcPetroleum.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
January 22 2012 22:38 GMT
#6852
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.


Monopolies are almost impossible to fight from a small position. On paper it seems simple.

If i own 90% of the coal mines in the world then a small company could just undercut my price and make a ton of money.

That is until i tell everyone that buys coal that they won't be able to buy a single piece of coal if they do business with certain companies (companies that undercut me). Since i have the monopoly people can't go around me or they will be lacking in coal.

What if i start selling my coal massively under the cost-effective price in the area of small coal companies? My company still runs in the green because i can afford to sell a small ammount of coal for nearly nothing. Meanwhile that small company can't sell their coal for above profit prices in a 500km radius. Then i offer to buy them out or promise to run them into the ground.


Monopolies can be used to create a grasp on a market that nobody can break, other then the government. Big companies can play dirty within the boundaries of the law.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 22 2012 22:42 GMT
#6853
Haven't you already had this discussion or is it just me having a strong case of deja vu?
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
January 22 2012 22:45 GMT
#6854
On January 22 2012 21:46 jdsowa wrote:
The best presidential candidates are charismatic and can speak naturally on the level of the average American. Reagan, Clinton, Obama all had that.

Mitt is more like Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, etc. He's a northeastern kind of guy, who seems presidential, but can't make a personal connection with voters. And at least with John Kerry, liberals knew they could trust him to represent their views. The majority of conservatives aren't sure that Mitt isn't the "progressive with moderate views" that he described himself as being in 2002.

Newt, on the other hand, can make that personal connection. He speaks with conviction. Voters are willing to look past his character issues because the alternative--Romney--is so incredibly uninspiring. This has nothing to do with religion.

All of that said, I don't think he'll beat Obama. And neither would Romney. But at least the conservatives are putting a guy out there that speaks for them, and that's admirable (even if you think he's a complete lunatic).


That's not true. The most likely to win candidates are charismatic and can speak naturally on the level of the average American. The best candidate is the one who is most intelligent with the best plans, and is able to make the best decisions. There's a huge distinction.

I can't relate to an asshole who was fined for ethics violations while serving in congress like Gingrich at all. The man is scum, and any sincerity or conviction he holds is fake.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
January 22 2012 22:46 GMT
#6855
On January 23 2012 07:34 1Eris1 wrote:
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On January 23 2012 07:31 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:23 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

Swine Flu also came up in the 70's under Carter -- a Democrat and came back up in 2010 under Obama. I'm not saying it's directly related, but coincidence?


I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.



I'm not going to pretend to know how the situation is in Denmark, but in the US we have ALOT of monopolies. So much so that the government has been physically forced to break up companies in the past.
Removing minimum wage would these companies such power, and would hurt lower income families even more


They are monopolies because they are more efficient as monopolies. Yet if they become too inefficient and gives too low wages, new companies can challenge them.



How?
Sure a new company can say hey I'll pay my employees X+5 dollars per hour compared to WalMcPetroleum over there, but there is no way he can afford to. A monopoly can afford to literally have it's prices so freaking low (because they control nearly all of the product) that no other company will be able to sell at the same level and thus they won't have the ability to outpay the wages of WalMcPetroleum.


If wages are too low why do you wanna work there if you feel you are more qualified.

Now if you are more qualified a new competitors could open up and give you better wages. Obv. this would interest everyone who works at lower wages and is more qualified. Obv. WAl mart will (given no binding contracts) will have to increase their own wages..... And you know the rest of the story. (btw actually this wal mart examples of oyurs assumes that the employee can only work for that company. And its really really care that employees are that specialized. Anyone working at wal mart could probably get another job at another industry).

Obv. the above is no new stuff. The typical argument argainst private monopolies is that some times it requires a lot of capital to upon a new competitors to the monopoly. This is true, and this will allow monopolies to charge up high prices on products as competition isn't low. Now again assuming that their employees are very specialized and cant change industry they will be able to give out relatively low wages. And hence shareholders will be making an insane profit.

Now assuming you could identify this scenario and be 100% sure of it (with you working as a regulator) you could with the use of minimum wages shift the wealth from the shareholders to the employees.

However how can the above be the case? In what industry cant the employee get another job with their current qualifications. Assuming they are highly specialized, then its most likely that took a long education and probably has a lot of knowledge that lof of other people dont have. And they always have the option of taking a "brain-dead" (which just requires discipline) so their wages will most likely be pretty high.

Most likely specialized people receives high wages, but faces a pretty high unemployment risk.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
January 22 2012 22:46 GMT
#6856
On January 23 2012 07:42 nam nam wrote:
Haven't you already had this discussion or is it just me having a strong case of deja vu?


Yeh but a lot of people dont understand economics. No big deal.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 22:55:27
January 22 2012 22:54 GMT
#6857
On January 23 2012 07:46 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:34 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:31 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:23 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:50 Candadar wrote:
I don't know how anyone can vote for Bachmann. That bitch is crazy as hell.

[quote]

I can give 500 more of these comedic gold quotes from her. Ranging from her saying the Revolution started in New Hampshire to her saying that Evolutionists are trying to overthrow the world to make a one-nation government to control us all.

I'm fine with Republicans, and even Republicans winning -- but fucking Christ not THIS one. I'd rather have Palin than this person.


To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." —Michele Bachmann, 1/26/05, Jobs, Energy and Community Development Committee, testifying against SF 3, a bill to raise the MN minimum wage and advocating the elimination of the minimum wage altogether..



This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.



I'm not going to pretend to know how the situation is in Denmark, but in the US we have ALOT of monopolies. So much so that the government has been physically forced to break up companies in the past.
Removing minimum wage would these companies such power, and would hurt lower income families even more


They are monopolies because they are more efficient as monopolies. Yet if they become too inefficient and gives too low wages, new companies can challenge them.



How?
Sure a new company can say hey I'll pay my employees X+5 dollars per hour compared to WalMcPetroleum over there, but there is no way he can afford to. A monopoly can afford to literally have it's prices so freaking low (because they control nearly all of the product) that no other company will be able to sell at the same level and thus they won't have the ability to outpay the wages of WalMcPetroleum.


If wages are too low why do you wanna work there if you feel you are more qualified.

Now if you are more qualified a new competitors could open up and give you better wages. Obv. this would interest everyone who works at lower wages and is more qualified. Obv. WAl mart will (given no binding contracts) will have to increase their own wages..... And you know the rest of the story. (btw actually this wal mart examples of oyurs assumes that the employee can only work for that company. And its really really care that employees are that specialized. Anyone working at wal mart could probably get another job at another industry).

Obv. the above is no new stuff. The typical argument argainst private monopolies is that some times it requires a lot of capital to upon a new competitors to the monopoly. This is true, and this will allow monopolies to charge up high prices on products as competition isn't low. Now again assuming that their employees are very specialized and cant change industry they will be able to give out relatively low wages. And hence shareholders will be making an insane profit.

Now assuming you could identify this scenario and be 100% sure of it (with you working as a regulator) you could with the use of minimum wages shift the wealth from the shareholders to the employees.

However how can the above be the case? In what industry cant the employee get another job with their current qualifications. Assuming they are highly specialized, then its most likely that took a long education and probably has a lot of knowledge that lof of other people dont have. And they always have the option of taking a "brain-dead" (which just requires discipline) so their wages will most likely be pretty high.

Most likely specialized people receives high wages, but faces a pretty high unemployment risk.



I'm not arguing based on a qualified person. I'm arguing based on someone who can barely scrape by, someone who hasn't been to college, who needs any job they can get. These guys aren't going to be getting Financial Advisor positions at JP Morgan or something, instead they're the forty year olds that are still working the bagging lines in grocery stores.

And if grocery store/group of grocery stores gets a monopoly on the food selling business, they can literally afford to reduce their wages to next to nothing. That's why we need minimum wage, it keeps massive corporations in line so they can't completely fuck over the lower class.

A qualified person isn't going to be working at a job that pays minimum wage anyways. (Atleast I hope not, but this economy is changing that considerably.)

We have a huge poverty problem in America, which is why minimum wage is necessary for us. In a country where the overal wealth of a person is more balanced, then I don't think minimum wage would be as important.
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ikl2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States145 Posts
January 22 2012 22:56 GMT
#6858
On January 23 2012 07:54 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:46 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:34 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:31 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:23 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
[quote]

To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

[quote]


This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.



I'm not going to pretend to know how the situation is in Denmark, but in the US we have ALOT of monopolies. So much so that the government has been physically forced to break up companies in the past.
Removing minimum wage would these companies such power, and would hurt lower income families even more


They are monopolies because they are more efficient as monopolies. Yet if they become too inefficient and gives too low wages, new companies can challenge them.



How?
Sure a new company can say hey I'll pay my employees X+5 dollars per hour compared to WalMcPetroleum over there, but there is no way he can afford to. A monopoly can afford to literally have it's prices so freaking low (because they control nearly all of the product) that no other company will be able to sell at the same level and thus they won't have the ability to outpay the wages of WalMcPetroleum.


If wages are too low why do you wanna work there if you feel you are more qualified.

Now if you are more qualified a new competitors could open up and give you better wages. Obv. this would interest everyone who works at lower wages and is more qualified. Obv. WAl mart will (given no binding contracts) will have to increase their own wages..... And you know the rest of the story. (btw actually this wal mart examples of oyurs assumes that the employee can only work for that company. And its really really care that employees are that specialized. Anyone working at wal mart could probably get another job at another industry).

Obv. the above is no new stuff. The typical argument argainst private monopolies is that some times it requires a lot of capital to upon a new competitors to the monopoly. This is true, and this will allow monopolies to charge up high prices on products as competition isn't low. Now again assuming that their employees are very specialized and cant change industry they will be able to give out relatively low wages. And hence shareholders will be making an insane profit.

Now assuming you could identify this scenario and be 100% sure of it (with you working as a regulator) you could with the use of minimum wages shift the wealth from the shareholders to the employees.

However how can the above be the case? In what industry cant the employee get another job with their current qualifications. Assuming they are highly specialized, then its most likely that took a long education and probably has a lot of knowledge that lof of other people dont have. And they always have the option of taking a "brain-dead" (which just requires discipline) so their wages will most likely be pretty high.

Most likely specialized people receives high wages, but faces a pretty high unemployment risk.



A qualified person isn't going to be working at a job that pays minimum wage anyways. (Atleast I hope not, but this economy is changing that considerably.)


Ask a contract instructor at a university what they make per hour.
BobTheBuilder1377
Profile Joined August 2011
Somalia335 Posts
January 22 2012 22:57 GMT
#6859
@teddyoojo No, what he's saying is Gingrich is a chickenhawk for saying we should attack Iran yet, he's a draft dodger. How hard is that to understand?
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
January 22 2012 22:57 GMT
#6860
On January 23 2012 07:54 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:46 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:34 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:31 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:23 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:18 Hider wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:58 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:57 Hider wrote:
On January 22 2012 21:05 Figgy wrote:
On August 16 2011 22:56 Candadar wrote:
[quote]

To keep it relevant too so I don't get banned, here are some politically relevant bullshit quotes from her:

[quote]


This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen said. Removing the minimum wage would put so many people in poverty it's ridiculous, there is a reason Canada doesn't have insane unemployment and that is BECAUSE of the higher minimum wage. It's way too low for most of the USA already. Get ready for US children sweatshops if she ever gets her way!


Uhhh no. Dont know how you got that idea. Who taught you that? Your parents? A teacher?

With no minimum wage wages are based on suply and demand and you will get what your worth from your employee. Sure if your stupid as shit or has physical problems your wage will be low, and you will probably need socail services. But thats not relevant to minimum wage. This is just a big myth.



Except corporations with monopolies will basically be able to pay their employees next to nothing, as they will control the only available jobs.


Now you are making some absurd assumptions. Like new competing companies aren't able to enter the market. Only government is able to make that strong of a monoply.



I'm not going to pretend to know how the situation is in Denmark, but in the US we have ALOT of monopolies. So much so that the government has been physically forced to break up companies in the past.
Removing minimum wage would these companies such power, and would hurt lower income families even more


They are monopolies because they are more efficient as monopolies. Yet if they become too inefficient and gives too low wages, new companies can challenge them.



How?
Sure a new company can say hey I'll pay my employees X+5 dollars per hour compared to WalMcPetroleum over there, but there is no way he can afford to. A monopoly can afford to literally have it's prices so freaking low (because they control nearly all of the product) that no other company will be able to sell at the same level and thus they won't have the ability to outpay the wages of WalMcPetroleum.


If wages are too low why do you wanna work there if you feel you are more qualified.

Now if you are more qualified a new competitors could open up and give you better wages. Obv. this would interest everyone who works at lower wages and is more qualified. Obv. WAl mart will (given no binding contracts) will have to increase their own wages..... And you know the rest of the story. (btw actually this wal mart examples of oyurs assumes that the employee can only work for that company. And its really really care that employees are that specialized. Anyone working at wal mart could probably get another job at another industry).

Obv. the above is no new stuff. The typical argument argainst private monopolies is that some times it requires a lot of capital to upon a new competitors to the monopoly. This is true, and this will allow monopolies to charge up high prices on products as competition isn't low. Now again assuming that their employees are very specialized and cant change industry they will be able to give out relatively low wages. And hence shareholders will be making an insane profit.

Now assuming you could identify this scenario and be 100% sure of it (with you working as a regulator) you could with the use of minimum wages shift the wealth from the shareholders to the employees.

However how can the above be the case? In what industry cant the employee get another job with their current qualifications. Assuming they are highly specialized, then its most likely that took a long education and probably has a lot of knowledge that lof of other people dont have. And they always have the option of taking a "brain-dead" (which just requires discipline) so their wages will most likely be pretty high.

Most likely specialized people receives high wages, but faces a pretty high unemployment risk.



I'm not arguing based on a qualified person. I'm arguing based on someone who can barely scrape by, someone who hasn't been to college, who needs any job they can get. These guys aren't going to be getting Financial Advisor positions at JP Morgan or something, instead they're the forty year olds that are still working the bagging lines in grocery stores.

And if grocery store/group of grocery stores gets a monopoly on the food selling business, they can literally afford to reduce their wages to next to nothing. That's why we need minimum wage, it keeps massive corporations in line so they can't completely fuck over the lower class.

A qualified person isn't going to be working at a job that pays minimum wage anyways. (Atleast I hope not, but this economy is changing that considerably.)

We have a huge poverty problem in America, which is why minimum wage is necessary for us. In a country where the overal wealth of a person is more balanced, then I don't think minimum wage would be as important.


Then they can get another job at another industry. Its not like you only can work at one kind of industry.
So yeh I kinda think your confusing the problem with monopolies. Most people kinda think its a price of product problem. Low wages isn't really a problem with monopolies.
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