EPTPlease, enlighten me on his radical affiliations and positions + the sources.
Some people don't consider Jeremiah Wright or William Ayers radical, yes.
And why would anyone want to enlighten you? You obviously already know the answers.
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Some people don't consider Jeremiah Wright or William Ayers radical, yes. And why would anyone want to enlighten you? You obviously already know the answers. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 07 2011 22:45 Klamity wrote: Please, enlighten me on his radical affiliations and positions + the sources. Where in the world have you been the past four years? Bill Ayers? Reverend Wright? Van Jones? Those are just three of the biggest ones right off the top of my head. Two of the three advocated violent revolution, one of the three actually committed acts of terrorism on US soil, and the other merely gives vitriolic and racially charged (if not outright racist) sermons to his congregation -- of which Obama was a member for 20 years. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46227 Posts
On October 07 2011 22:45 Klamity wrote: Please, enlighten me on his radical affiliations and positions + the sources. Also, out of curiosity, how does someone being a businessman mean you're suitable for the presidency? I'm having trouble following the logic there. Running the country really isn't the same as running a business. And we're not even talking Donald Trump- level businessman here. Being a board member and CEO of some restaurants and pizza chains? And not even Domino's or Pizza Hut... but "Godfather's Pizza". Everyone was ridiculing Obama for having no experience when he was running for president, but Cain has far less political experience than Obama did- and Obama now has a full term of presidency under his belt. Granted, I'm sure this election is going to be "Do you really want to re-elect that guy again, or elect someone new?", but I don't see why I should have any reason to think that Cain would know what the heck he's doing if he became president. I need to take that into account if I'm going to compare Cain to some other Republican candidates who have actually been in politics for a while. Ignoring platforms for a second, what experience does Cain actually have? And... this: | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On October 07 2011 22:39 DeepElemBlues wrote: it would be so nice if some people realized this is 2011 and not 2003 and the world has moved on even if they havent Tell that to the people that get bombed and shot every day in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraqi: "My father got killed by an airstrike last week" DeepElemBlues: "Who care's? Old News, fuck off" You must be a pleasure to have around. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Tell that to the people that get bombed and shot every day in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraqi: "My father got killed by an airstrike last week" DeepElemBlues: "Who care's? Old News, fuck off" You must be a pleasure to have around. It really must be hard to to have to advance and defend arguments with the kind of claptrap you put up. If you really think that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are as important today to the global political situation as they were in the past and as they are still are to certain people such as yourself, you are either very naive or just too caught up in your own emotions to think clearly. Also, since Americans are still being killed by terrorists fairly frequently, and September 11th was only 10 years ago, and considering that other innocent Muslims are the main victims of Muslim terrorists, shouldn't you be less cavalier about setting up rules for how long reasons for blood feuds are valid? | ||
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
On October 07 2011 23:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Also, out of curiosity, how does someone being a businessman mean you're suitable for the presidency? I'm having trouble following the logic there. Running the country really isn't the same as running a business. And we're not even talking Donald Trump- level businessman here. Being a board member and CEO of some restaurants and pizza chains? And not even Domino's or Pizza Hut... but "Godfather's Pizza". Everyone was ridiculing Obama for having no experience when he was running for president, but Cain has far less political experience than Obama did- and Obama now has a full term of presidency under his belt. Granted, I'm sure this election is going to be "Do you really want to re-elect that guy again, or elect someone new?", but I don't see why I should have any reason to think that Cain would know what the heck he's doing if he became president. I need to take that into account if I'm going to compare Cain to some other Republican candidates who have actually been in politics for a while. Ignoring platforms for a second, what experience does Cain actually have? And... this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SCBoFNr0uo&feature=related Cain is not just a buisness man. His tenure as the chief of a Federal Reserve Bank screams goldman sachs all the fuck over again. He's not really 'touting' this part of his resume either which would cause me more worry, than less. EDIT: Thread is derailing, Discuss Terrorism in terrorist thread. I will follow if you do  You know, like a terrorist. | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On October 07 2011 23:29 DeepElemBlues wrote: It really must be hard to to have to advance and defend arguments with the kind of claptrap you put up. If you really think that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are as important today to the global political situation as they were in the past and as they are still are to certain people such as yourself, you are either very naive or just too caught up in your own emotions to think clearly. Also, since Americans are still being killed by terrorists fairly frequently, and September 11th was only 10 years ago, and considering that other innocent Muslims are the main victims of Muslim terrorists, shouldn't you be less cavalier about setting up rules for how long reasons for blood feuds are valid? So you say the wars are unimportant because they're obsolete to world-politics, but then come up with 9/11 which "only" was 10 years ago. What does your talking about the blood feuds mean? The only blood feud is the afghan war. It's officialy revenge for 9/11. Do you want me to tell, that because islamic terrorism still exists, it's okay that the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq still continue? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
In news sure to inject shock and awe into the Republican political primary season, a Zogby poll released Thursday showed Herman Cain leading the Republican field, topping former front-runner Mitt Romney by an astonishing 20 points. Cain would also narrowly edge out Obama in a general election, the poll found, by a 46�“44 margin. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, would lose by a point to the president, 40 percent to 41 percent. Texas governor Rick Perry, who has slipped in the polls of late, would lose to the president 45 percent to 40 percent. The poll found that 38 percent of Republican primary voters said they would vote for Cain if the primary were held today. Eighteen percent said they would throw their support to Romney, while 12 percent each said they would vote for Perry and Texas congressman Ron Paul. No other candidate attracted double-digit support. This is the second month in a row in which Zogby has found Cain leading the pack; he has surged another 10 points ahead of his competitors since September. Romney, on the other hand, has remained in the same place, while Perry’s share of the primary vote in the Zogby poll has steadily declined since he announced his candidacy in August. Other pollsters have found Cain at or near the top of the field, with Fox News declaring him a top-tier candidate following its poll last week. That poll found Cain had 17 percent of the vote, trailing Perry by just two points and Romney by five. A CBS News poll released Tuesday found Romney and Cain tied at 17 percent, with Perry trailing at 12 percent; a YouGov/Economist poll released Thursday found Cain leading with 21 percent, four points ahead of Romney. Though many have questioned Cain’s viability as a legitimate candidate, voters are clearly giving him another look. The IBOPE Zogby International poll is based on an online October 3�“5 survey of 1,581 voters, with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points. The sample of likely Republican primary voters included 796 Americans, and has an margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. http://news.yahoo.com/poll-cain-surges-opens-20-point-lead-romney-132015440.html | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
For what it's worth, I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. Cain is the guy that I like the most through sheer process of elimination. He has ambitious ideas, he's an excellent communicator, and he has the least baggage of the other candidates. I don't really trust Romney for the same reasons that I don't trust establishment republicans, Perry has looked like an idiot since getting in the race, Bachmann jumped the shark, Gingrich is damaged goods, Huntsman barely qualifies as a republican, Santorum is an asshole, and Paul is too radical and simply wrong on foreign policy. The timing is just perfect for Cain's rise, too. With Christie and Palin staying on the sidelines, the field is almost certainly set. The 75% of republicans who really don't like Romney are now at a point where they have to make a choice. Yeah, it'd be nice if Cain had more experience, but he still presents the best and has the most exciting ideas of any of the candidates. EDIT: What remains to be seen is how Cain withstands all of the scrutiny that is going to come his way. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
Edit: I also give it two weeks before something happens to knock Cain back to the teens. The evolution of the anybody-but-Romney candidates has been what? Bachmann, Perry, Cain? (And just imagine how it must feel to be Romney right now.) | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 08 2011 01:59 jon arbuckle wrote: Cain's launching a book tour in October and has no plans of going to New Hampshire. He does not want to be President. I wouldn't bother with New Hampshire if I were Cain. That's Romney's backyard, and nothing is going to change that. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On October 08 2011 00:19 xDaunt wrote: Holy shit! http://news.yahoo.com/poll-cain-surges-opens-20-point-lead-romney-132015440.html The man who would require a loyalty test from potential Muslim appointees is leading the Republican race? Really? | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On October 08 2011 03:01 Elegy wrote: The man who would require a loyalty test from potential Muslim appointees is leading the Republican race? Really? a) unless this has changed recently, Zogby has been considered one of the least reliable major pollsters due to his methodology b) recognition of Republican candidates is lower right now than it was in 2007, probably because the field has been so volatile. Lots of people aren't familiar with everything about the candidates yet. c) within the GOP primary (and arguably in the general election as well), taking a stance against Muslims probably helps a candidate | ||
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On October 07 2011 16:08 lizzard_warish wrote: Well compared to the known radicial affiliations and positions of Obama, I cant help but find the fixation on cains [something id consider race baiting rather than a conviction] remarks rather bizarre. Obamas radicalism is tried and tested, we know it. Cain said a few remarks about a very small minority in what I can say was fairly obviously just an attempt to get his face out there and get votes- it didnt work at all. He's still an accomplished businessmen and IMO far more suitable for the presidency than Obama is. Yes, lets completely disregard Cain's position on issues like abortion, same sex marriage, and Muslims. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 08 2011 05:34 TOloseGT wrote: Yes, lets completely disregard Cain's position on issues like abortion, same sex marriage, and Muslims. No one one should give two shits about those issues in this election. That's like worrying about what your flower garden looks like when your house is on fire. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On October 08 2011 05:40 xDaunt wrote: No one one should give two shits about those issues in this election. That's like worrying about what your flower garden looks like when your house is on fire. LMAO, you think the 999 plan can fix this economy. Is Cain the Republican Obama, their new hope for a bright future? Let's be realistic here, the economy wouldn't get fixed because of any one individual, not Obama and definitely not Cain. | ||
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KiaL.Kiwi
Germany210 Posts
On October 08 2011 05:40 xDaunt wrote: No one one should give two shits about those issues in this election. That's like worrying about what your flower garden looks like when your house is on fire. I don't really get that notion - yes it's stupid to chose your vote based only on terms of 'sympathy' gained by unimportant facts, but those traits of a candidate may tell a lot about his personality as well. I don't have to vote in the USA (and I'm quite happy about that, because your system really only allows to chose between bad and worse), but a candidate who clearly doesn't understand the constitution - or just doesn't care - would be uneligible for me. Abortion/same Sex marriage are minor points of interest, and I get how one weighs economical competence over opinion on abortion, but the muslim incidents seem to be a no go. If you are too simple minded to honor pretty straight forward human rights like freedom of religion, if you are stupid enough to believe into (or support and initiate, who cares) the whole fearmongering concerning the Islam, why would I give you my vote to lead my country? Though that may be to harsh a critique right now, since it may just be a populist move to secure the republican nomination, and one would have to wait to the general election to see if he distances himself or just drops the point, but in the general this issue would seems pretty crucial to me. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On October 07 2011 23:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: People were bashing Obama for having no experience, political or otherwise. Being a first term senator hardly qualifies you to make decisions on a global scale, and it hardly gives any indication on whether you have a fucking clue what your talking about [and obviously enough obama did not]. Having a degree in economics or decades of experience in the economy, well, herpy derpy, that might just give you some credible experience in making real decisions effecting the economy.Also, out of curiosity, how does someone being a businessman mean you're suitable for the presidency? I'm having trouble following the logic there. Running the country really isn't the same as running a business. And we're not even talking Donald Trump- level businessman here. Being a board member and CEO of some restaurants and pizza chains? And not even Domino's or Pizza Hut... but "Godfather's Pizza". Everyone was ridiculing Obama for having no experience when he was running for president, but Cain has far less political experience than Obama did- and Obama now has a full term of presidency under his belt. Granted, I'm sure this election is going to be "Do you really want to re-elect that guy again, or elect someone new?", but I don't see why I should have any reason to think that Cain would know what the heck he's doing if he became president. I need to take that into account if I'm going to compare Cain to some other Republican candidates who have actually been in politics for a while. Ignoring platforms for a second, what experience does Cain actually have? And... this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SCBoFNr0uo&feature=related And oh my GAWD Hermann Cain alongside the other 85+% of Americans who are christian think homosexuality is a sin? Why thats just...well completely average. On October 08 2011 05:34 TOloseGT wrote: My post was in reply to the muslim thing. As to abortion and gay marriage...he holds a position that roughly half of Americans hold, so the fuck what? Sorry, but outside of your little college socialist bubble such positions arent extreme or surprising. Nor can he really effect them outside of supreme court justice appointments so you take your sensationalistic panic attacks somewhere else.Yes, lets completely disregard Cain's position on issues like abortion, same sex marriage, and Muslims. | ||
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